UK net migration hits record high

Lord Bracknell · Aug 27, 2015

Westdene Seagull said:
Yes, you have missed something - you've missed reading the first post in this thread. It praises Labour's immigration policies ( those that it has now apologised for ). Neither Labour or the Tories have dealt with this issue.

The problem that is not being addressed is housing. That would be the case regardless of how many immigrants were arriving. It may well be the case that the government can't do much to keep the number of immigrants down. Indeed, given the world refugee crisis, there's a strong humanitarian case for taking more immigrants. But there's no excuse for the government doing nothing to accelerate house building.

heathgate · Aug 27, 2015

Mustafa said:

The fact is Muzzie me old mate, a large part of the numbers is down to geography, we are further away, we have the channel, we are not in Schengen.

If these factors didn't exist, we would be swamped.

ThePompousPaladin · Aug 27, 2015

Diablo said:
How long before Englishmen get to become a minority in Englands once green and pleasant land.

Define 'englishman'.

Deleted member 22389 · Aug 27, 2015

Nasty nasty UK for not taking enough Asylum Seekers is the feeling I get now. The fact that we have already allowed 330,000 people in to this country legally because of open borders with the EU is not enough for some people.

alfredmizen · Aug 27, 2015

Lord Bracknell said:
The problem that is not being addressed is housing. That would be the case regardless of how many immigrants were arriving. It may well be the case that the government can't do much to keep the number of immigrants down. Indeed, given the world refugee crisis, there's a strong humanitarian case for taking more immigrants. But there's no excuse for the government doing nothing to accelerate house building.

Hows social cohesion in Firle these days LB ? Much pressure on housing and essential services due to immigration ?

TomandJerry · Aug 27, 2015

Germany gets 27 Syrian asylum applications for every one to the UK

For each asylum application by a Syrian in the UK over the past year, Germany received 27, according to figures released by the Home Office.

Data on international migration in the year to June shows that the UK received 25,571 applications for asylum over the 12-month period. Germany received 296,710 over the same period, according to Eurostat data.

In fact, Germany received 37,531 asylum applications in July this year alone – over 10,000 more than the UK for the entire year.

The UK received the most applications from Eritreans, with 3,568 requesting asylum in Britain. They were followed by Pakistanis (2,302), Syrians (2,204), Iranians (2,049) and Sudanese (1,799).

http://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/2015/aug/27/germany-gets-27-syrian-asylum-applications-for-every-one-to-the-uk

Deleted member 22389 · Aug 27, 2015

heathgate said:
The fact is Muzzie me old mate, a large part of the numbers is down to geography, we are further away, we have the channel, we are not in Schengen.

If these factors didn't exist, we would be swamped.

We would have more than Sweden and Germany combined. Most of the countries listed Italy, Hungary and Greece are just the places people pass through. It is no surprise that Germany, Sweden top the list with their generous systems.
This makes interesting reading, http://news.sky.com/story/1542262/swedens-tolerance-tested-by-migrant-surge

Lord Bracknell · Aug 27, 2015

alfredmizen said:
Hows social cohesion in Firle these days LB ? Much pressure on housing and essential services due to immigration ?

Interestingly, nothing very much seems to have happened with regard to the idea that Lord Gage came up with about five years ago - to build new houses at the edge of the village to improve the prospects of the village school and the village shop, by encouraging local people to carry on living in local, affordable housing. I blame the lack of commitment by the local planning authority and the lack of interest by the government in solving the housing crisis.

Insofar as immigration into the village is causing problems, there is the continuing pressure on the community to accept newcomers. Most of the people who want to move in are extremely wealthy and, if they were allowed in, it would disadvantage local families enormously. Fortunately, the Firle Estate has a housing policy that refuses to allow rented accommodation to be let to people who are simply prepared to pay high market rents. The preference is to rent out property at lower, affordable rents to families who will work locally and send their kids to the local schools.

It's a shame that government regulations forbid local councils from having progressive housing practices like that.

BigGully · Aug 27, 2015

TomandJerry said:
Germany gets 27 Syrian asylum applications for every one to the UK

For each asylum application by a Syrian in the UK over the past year, Germany received 27, according to figures released by the Home Office.

Data on international migration in the year to June shows that the UK received 25,571 applications for asylum over the 12-month period. Germany received 296,710 over the same period, according to Eurostat data.

In fact, Germany received 37,531 asylum applications in July this year alone – over 10,000 more than the UK for the entire year.

The UK received the most applications from Eritreans, with 3,568 requesting asylum in Britain. They were followed by Pakistanis (2,302), Syrians (2,204), Iranians (2,049) and Sudanese (1,799).

http://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/2015/aug/27/germany-gets-27-syrian-asylum-applications-for-every-one-to-the-uk

Germany's net migration from 2010 - 2014 was something like 500,000 the UK's in the same time period was about 1 million.

If you want to somehow under cook the scale of recent immigration then you wont find much data backing up that the UK isnt being hit with unsustainable numbers.

Diablo · Aug 27, 2015

ThePompousPaladin said:
Define 'englishman'.

The English are a nation and ethnic group native to England, who speak the English language. The English identity is of early mediaeval origin, when they were known in Old English as the Angelcynn ("family of the Angles"). England is one of the countries of the United Kingdom and English people in England are British citizens. Their ethnonym is derived from the Angles, one of the Germanic peoples who migrated to Great Britain in the 5th century AD.[7]

Historically, the English population is descended from several peoples — the earlier Britons (or Brythons) and the Germanic tribes that settled in Britain following the withdrawal of the Romans, including Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians. Collectively known as the Anglo-Saxons, they founded what was to become England (from the Old English Englaland) along with the later Danes, Normans and other groups. Following the Acts of Union 1707, in which the Kingdom of England was succeeded by the Kingdom of Great Britain,[8] English customs and identity became closely aligned with British customs and identity.

Today some English people have recent forebears from other parts of the United Kingdom while some are also descended from more recent immigrants from other European countries and from the Commonwealth.

The English people are the source of the English language, the Westminster system, the common law system and numerous major sports. These and other English cultural characteristics have spread worldwide, in part as a result of the former British Empire.

topbanana36 · Aug 27, 2015

Hampster Gull said:
One of the (few) things we should applaud the last Labour governemt on was the growth in immigration. It went from 6m to 7m in three years to 2009 but has slowed down since. It has taken 6 years to move the next 1m to 8m. Our economy needs more young workers to support the post war social agenda. Merkel, one of the great leaders of our time, is rightly saying she will not have intollerence shown to immigrants and i am with her. We are a country of immigrants, and long may it continue

Clueless utterly clueless.

Diablo · Aug 27, 2015

Nibble said:
Do us a favour old bean, if you are going to sing the praises of being English at least learn to ****ing write in the English language you ceaseless little twerp.

Old Bean almost complimentary......then you revert to your ignorant rantings............at 6ft 4" "a little Twerp" somewhat comical suggestion..... However it is what i have come to expect of you, and you didn`t disappoint. :clap:

Nibble · Aug 27, 2015

Diablo said:
The English are a nation and ethnic group native to England, who speak the English language. The English identity is of early mediaeval origin, when they were known in Old English as the Angelcynn ("family of the Angles"). England is one of the countries of the United Kingdom and English people in England are British citizens. Their ethnonym is derived from the Angles, one of the Germanic peoples who migrated to Great Britain in the 5th century AD.[7]

Historically, the English population is descended from several peoples — the earlier Britons (or Brythons) and the Germanic tribes that settled in Britain following the withdrawal of the Romans, including Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians. Collectively known as the Anglo-Saxons, they founded what was to become England (from the Old English Englaland) along with the later Danes, Normans and other groups. Following the Acts of Union 1707, in which the Kingdom of England was succeeded by the Kingdom of Great Britain,[8] English customs and identity became closely aligned with British customs and identity.

Today some English people have recent forebears from other parts of the United Kingdom while some are also descended from more recent immigrants from other European countries and from the Commonwealth.

The English people are the source of the English language, the Westminster system, the common law system and numerous major sports. These and other English cultural characteristics have spread worldwide, in part as a result of the former British Empire.

Some of that makes sense. I cannot abide with the idea of our language being English in the way described here. A lot of our words are Viking/Scandi in origin. Our structure borrows heavily from German, swathes of our colloquialisms are French or Gaelic, we still use many Latin components and we have many patois and slang that is mind boggling. Been that way for centuries.

Pretty pink fairy · Aug 27, 2015

Nibble said:
What a very odd post.
Where you get the time to trawl back through years of posts, let alone be sad enough to remember specific posts of members from years ago is quite baffling. Especially when they are comprehensively irrelevant. What got you onto that subject?!

Your childlike insistence on getting personal should see you banned once and for all but I know it won't.

You are a thoroughly, thoroughly unpleasant individual.

and you sir are a din of the highest order , BUSHY'S OUTED YOU, DEAL WITH IT

regards
DR

Pretty pink fairy · Aug 27, 2015

Lord Bracknell said:
The problem that is not being addressed is housing. That would be the case regardless of how many immigrants were arriving. It may well be the case that the government can't do much to keep the number of immigrants down. Indeed, given the world refugee crisis, there's a strong humanitarian case for taking more immigrants. But there's no excuse for the government doing nothing to accelerate house building.

YES, THE GOVERNMENT CAN DO A LOT ABOUT IMMIGRATION , call a referendum on EU MEMBERSHIP for starters and STOP PUSSY FOOTING AROUND IN CALAIS !!!!
regards
DR

Nibble · Aug 27, 2015

Pretty pink fairy said:
and you sir are a din of the highest order , BUSHY'S OUTED YOU, DEAL WITH IT
regards
DR

Isn't Bushy lucky having NSC's resident pink Nazi on his side. You make an adorable couple.
Why are either of you even on NSC other than to spout your right wing claptrap. You never go to matches and just lurk about on here dishing out illiterate abuse and Bushy doesn't even support BHA and just lives to derail threads.
A bloody sad act indeed.
Regards
N

portslade seagull · Aug 27, 2015

Hence the reason for more house's, schools, hospitals etc etc it just cannot carry on

Lord Bracknell · Aug 27, 2015

Pretty pink fairy said:
YES, THE GOVERNMENT CAN DO A LOT ABOUT IMMIGRATION , call a referendum on EU MEMBERSHIP for starters and STOP PUSSY FOOTING AROUND IN CALAIS !!!!
regards
DR

What if the referendum results in us staying in the EU?

And what exactly do you mean by "stop pussy footing around in Calais"?

alfredmizen · Aug 27, 2015

Nibble said:
Isn't Bushy lucky having NSC's resident pink Nazi on his side. You make an adorable couple.
Why are either of you even on NSC other than to spout your right wing claptrap. You never go to matches and just lurk about on here dishing out illiterate abuse and Bushy doesn't even support BHA and just lives to derail threads.
A bloody sad act indeed.
Regards
N

I've had 3 season tickets for the past 3 seasons.

Pretty pink fairy · Aug 27, 2015

portslade seagull said:
Hence the reason for more house's, schools, hospitals etc etc it just cannot carry on

EXACTLY! all the do gooder's talking about humanitarian issues , sorry that doesn't wash with me and probably a fair few others in this country, STOP THEM FROM ENTERING THE EU AND SEND THEM BACK, we're full up here in the UK simple as that !!!!
regards
DR

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