Machiavelli
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Holy ****! That's one expensive **** up.
You've got that one right -- a frugal few months ahead for me (still I won't have Piglets pies and Harvey's offering temptation).
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- Thread starter Herr Tubthumper
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You've got that one right -- a frugal few months ahead for me (still I won't have Piglets pies and Harvey's offering temptation).
- Nov 11, 2009
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The whole NHS argument by labour was a false one, they tried to move onto that ground as it's the ground where they do better.... But much of what they said was made up rubbish and they hoped people are stupid enough to believe it without critical enquiry.
For 1 they proposed the least in funding of 2.5 billion, but not 1p of that was earmarked for the current 8 billion shortfall, It was for some new Time to care gimmick made up by labour as a need when the Stevens report demanded nothing more than money to meet shortfall. Even this funding was alleged to come in part from mansion tax which experts and lord mandelson said would not raise the money.
labour failed big time before in South staffs, they're failing now big time in Wales and they think people are to stupid to understand that.
Labour created a false argument.on what they saw as best territory for them, but many can see straight through it.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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Shhhhhh, you might upset a few on here. That is the issue for Labour though, do thry drift leftwards and come back to the centre left.
Shhhhhh, you might upset a few on here. That is the issue for Labour though, do thry drift leftwards and come back to the centre left.
Exactly, obviously the electorate did not buy it. Still only another 20 years of rent and everything to the builders to pay for the Queen Alexandria in Portsmouth and The Royal Childrens Hospital in Brighton....amongst the others. Plus 3 schools that i worked on, many more obviously.
What do they reckon 78% interest payments.......jeez.
Hopefully the one thing that this election has done has utterly destroyed the concept and credibility of opinion polling during the campaign. Opinion polls used to be an interesting side bar to the campaigning but now they utterly dominate. They drive the news agenda every day, they shape the tactics of the parties and they suck all the creativity and content out of the message. Rather than play the long-game and build a coherent theme through the campaign the main parties have an horizon that stretches no further than the publication of the next rash of polls. That is bad enough in itself, but when the data you are using to dictate your policy message is continually returning false positives then its just a complete mess.
In future I hope the parties disregard the polls and simply focus on communicating policies that are true to their values and in-tune with what the electorate want. Attempting to win a mandate based on 1100 people in Worcester being phoned up by YouGov during Eastenders every night seems lik a shit idea to me.
melias shoes
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- Oct 14, 2010
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This is a QUALITY post and the Ben Elton comment is pure Gold......oooopps don't mention the Gold,they don't like that.
Well there were enough plums on here that bought it.........
To be fair, I bought it too. I couldn't believe that that many polls, conducted so frequently, could be wrong, plus they all came back with the same result. Up until the publication of the Exit Poll at 10pm on Thursday I had been thoroughly convinced that that the vote share would be 34% for both the Tories and Labour and it would just be a question of how the seats would shake out.
melias shoes
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- Oct 14, 2010
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This thread just keeps on giving. Back of the net.
I did state a few times before the day that when voters got in that booth they would remember the 13 years, and the ending of Labours term.......the cross then went where their head was.
melias shoes
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- Oct 14, 2010
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Yep,it was. Blair and Brown embraced it with vigour.Fact.
Butch Willykins
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melias shoes
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- Oct 14, 2010
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Beach Hut
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Some people on this thread have really shown themselves in a very bad way, especially our resident journo
Reinforcing my points about the nasty approach from some on the left towards seemingly everyone on the right.
A war memorial. Day after VE Day. Spectacular.
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A war memorial. Day after VE Day. Spectacular.
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melias shoes
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- Oct 14, 2010
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Nothing classy about them at all. The usual anarchist types you now the ones. They profess to hate the establishment but are only too pleased to take benefits of it. Only scum would do that to a war memorial on VE Day.
Nothing classy about them at all. The usual anarchist types you now the ones. They profess to hate the establishment but are only too pleased to take benefits of it. Only scum would do that to a war memorial on VE Day.
Seconded. I daresay the usual groups got the ball rolling.
Machiavelli
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Top post. Although a few things:
-- the only news agenda they drive is in the press, who depend on them for their sales. I was struck by the extent to which the broadcast media pretty much ignored them
-- you're spot on about what the parties need to do in campaigns. Labour needs to construct a vision that resonates with the electorate, and merely use the election campaign to reinforce it and drive it home.
-- the one poll that was (pretty much) right was the exit poll. This is all the more surprising given that the sample was only 2,500 (as compared with all those pre-election opinion polls which, when taken cumulatively, sampled tens -- if not hundreds -- of thousands.
The exit poll was 22,000.
Added to which everyone had voted.