sir albion
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The FFP will crumble because they're spineless....To many loopholes that complicates things.
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FFP penalties..
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symyjym
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I don't think it will because there is a lot of money to be had. Why would they not act on several £m's in fine revenue?
sir albion
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I get your point,but experts will be employed by these clubs to find faults.
If it was that big a deal and the fear was put into clubs,no club would be splashing out like there's no tomorrow.The fear isn't there because nothing major will happen to these clubs.
Time will tell i guess,but none of us know how exactly how serious the implications are,let's see what happens about QPR as that will give us a rough indication into how serious they're are.
symyjym
Banned
I think the reason why it is not feared by all clubs is because there are owners out there who are happy to pay the fines out of their own pocket. If they are going to overspend by £20m they might as well pay a further several million through penalties. There are only so many loopholes they can use, and then it's up to the FL to decide how much a club is cheating.
I sort of see it as a tax for people who have too much money.
sir albion
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Yes that's the nail on the head...risk losing £7 million to possibily gaining £50 million + on promotion!
If you have a wealthy owner £7 million is peanuts,sadly we can't afford a £7 million fine and that's the big diffrence.This factor alone tells you what a joke the FFP is....The best punishment is demotion or huge points deductions etc even if you get promoted to the prem,but the premier twats won't allow that will they?
Looking forward to seeing what a joke this will be
symyjym
Banned
Yes that's the nail on the head...risk losing £7 million to possibily gaining £50 million + on promotion!
If you have a wealthy owner £7 million is peanuts,sadly we can't afford a £7 million fine and that's the big diffrence.This factor alone tells you what a joke the FFP is....The best punishment is demotion or huge points deductions etc even if you get promoted to the prem,but the premier twats won't allow that will they?
Looking forward to seeing what a joke this will be
Yep I prefer the points deduction, but I am also curious about how the player embargo will effect things. These clubs may be able to pay the fines, but I am not too sure if they can cope with the player embargos if they continue for many transfer windows. I think that will be key, one window is survivable, 2, 3 or 4 might see them struggling.
Looking forward to see how it pans out either way
fat old seagull
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Is it necessary to be rude to other supporters who are opening threads on here?
There's always a number of threads that don't interest me...I just ignore them.
sir albion
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Its all to washy washy for most of us to work out...time will tellYep I prefer the points deduction, but I am also curious about how the player embargo will effect things. These clubs may be able to pay the fines, but I am not too sure if they can cope with the player embargos if they continue for many transfer windows. I think that will be key, one window is survivable, 2, 3 or 4 might see them struggling.
Looking forward to see how it pans out either way
portslade seagull
Well-known member
And then lengthy challenges in court aka Bosman because it restricts this that and the other blah blah, it will fall flat on its face because the F A will not have the balls I'm afraid
Sergei's Celebration
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While we are on the subject a month or so ago there was a vote by the league chairman on FFP. What was the vote on and was it passed?
I have been meaning to ask this question for ages.
I have been meaning to ask this question for ages.
drew
Drew
Where are the loopholes as I presume you have studied the details enough?
Doesn't the money have to come out of the club accounts and then that will affect a clubs compliance with Premier League FFP (although that does seem far more flexible with regard to owner contributions).
Yes that's the nail on the head...risk losing £7 million to possibily gaining £50 million + on promotion!
If you have a wealthy owner £7 million is peanuts,sadly we can't afford a £7 million fine and that's the big diffrence.This factor alone tells you what a joke the FFP is....The best punishment is demotion or huge points deductions etc even if you get promoted to the prem,but the premier twats won't allow that will they?
Looking forward to seeing what a joke this will be
Problem is you can't demote a team that is no longer in your organisation however, I agree about points deductions. They should include it as a sort of suspended sentence in addition to the fine so that if a club gets promoted they get fined and if they get relegated sometime in the future they start their Championship season with a, say, 30 point deduction so almost guaranteeing they wont' get promoted in their first season back and possibly threatening them with relegation. However, I suspect that the sanctions had to be severe enough to be a deterrent but not so punitive that they wouldn't get voted in.
symyjym
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I don't know, but payment by the owner could be classed as a 10 year pay back interest free loan to balance the fine out over several seasons, or something like. Either way the FL will want it paid no matter where it comes from. Then they can argue about the fine detail later.
portslade seagull
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The other inane thing about it is that all fines go to charity, how stupid is that it thought it was meant to assist the teams that complied
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
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Obviously a lot of laziness and ineptitude going on. I often wonder had people obsessed with "tidiness" on line get through the day.
Creaky
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Last year we failed the FFP requirements quite spectacularly - everyone seems to infer that was fine because there were no penalties for doing so - seems a little hypocritical now to be calling for penalties to be enforced.
If we were the type of club that conforms with agreements made, irrespective of whether or not there were punishments for not doing so, we would be in a better moral position to criticise other clubs.
If we were the type of club that conforms with agreements made, irrespective of whether or not there were punishments for not doing so, we would be in a better moral position to criticise other clubs.
It continues to astound me with the lack of fact that posters continue to use in their arguments.
The penalties are easily understood as is the criteria. You fail to comply and depending on your position within the domestic league structure then there's a different penalty applied.
Finally some rather ignorant posters refer to the FA. What the hell has it got to do with them.
The penalties are easily understood as is the criteria. You fail to comply and depending on your position within the domestic league structure then there's a different penalty applied.
Finally some rather ignorant posters refer to the FA. What the hell has it got to do with them.
No it just isn't.Its all to washy washy for most of us to work out...time will tell
Creaky
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Are you suggesting that the £15M loss can be reduced to less than £8M, IF TB bought another £5m of equity during that period, or £3M if he didn't?
