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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Part of the problem is the definition of abortion by politicians as opposed by doctors/medical staff.Chances are most Americans wouldn't have felt that way 50 years.
Then abortion was just 'a Catholic problem'.
Things Fell Apart - S1. Ep 1: 1000 Dolls - S1. Ep 1: 1000 Dolls - BBC Sounds
Strange tales from the culture wars by Jon Ronson.www.bbc.co.uk
With the majority of US Catholics now in favour of a form of abortion laws.
In practice, Catholics’ views on abortion are not always aligned with the guidance of their church. Like U.S. adults overall, the majority of U.S. Catholics say abortion should be legal – at least in some cases – as do many Catholic legislators and other politicians
8 key findings about Catholics and abortion
Like U.S. adults overall, the majority of U.S. Catholics say abortion should be legal – at least in some cases.www.pewresearch.org
Obviously it's been 4 years since that study was published and a lot has changed.
It's amazing just how quickly women's rights have been eroded in the US.
A natural miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion which can happen in up to a third of pregnancies.
A missed miscarriage is a failed spontaneous abortion where the fetus has died but not aborted thereby rotting and needs a D&C (dilation and curettage) to prevent the woman from dying of an infection (fairly commonplace)
An ectopic pregnancy where the embryo hasn't reached the womb, but embeds itself in the fallopian tube, causing great danger to the mother, and needs medical intervention asap
All of these are acceptable by the church and medical treatment given.
Then there is the social aspect where a woman/girl is raped resulting in pregnancy.
Most churches will accept a very early abortion but in the case of Downs Syndrome babies, it can be as late as 37 weeks.
Max Azzarello was a registered Democrat according to this article , sorry to disappoint you .
Max Azzarello: What we know about man who died after setting himself on fire
The man was later identified by the New York Police Department as 37-year-old Max Azzarello from St Augustine Florida
www.independent.co.uk
Police said that Mr Azzarello’s driver’s license showed he was born in 1987 and was a native of St Augustine, Florida. A registered Democrat, he attended the University of North Carolina from 2005 to 2009, according to public records and his LinkedIn page.
Indeed.
The sort of people who will murder a person who works at an abortion clinic (this has happened in the US) are not part of mainstream society, and yet their position is what drives the laws in some states in the US. I find the imperative to pander to extremism hard to understand.
rogersix
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do you hold any shares in truth?
Wait - are you actually saying TLDR?
The problem is that this is like the prisoner's dilemma. If all countries worked together to use renewable fuels, then all countries would benefit. But if some countries don't bother, then they will benefit from the work of other countries and also do better financially from their use of fossil fuels. So you're obviously not going to all countries to agree to drop fossil fuels.
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
There does appear to be a cultural norm these days that it is unacceptable to admit when you are wrong or that your position has changed (or is different from your peers) - as people that do are attacked and ridiculed for doing so. This seems to lead to a social pressure from their peers to double down when challenged on their opinions I feel.
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Yes, certainly online anyway - social media has a lot to answer for I think. Irl, debates and conversations are much more nuanced but on social media forums where people seem to seek far too much validation for who they are/how much they are liked, there is a culture of ’silencing’ legitimate inquiry/debate in favour of perpetuating echo chambers and the school of polarised opinion. Also, when people feel more and more powerless to influence the world around them irl, they tend to seek online communities that affirm their world view. Unfortunately most online communities are primarily glued together by other largely anonymous subscribers who are also only looking for affirmation of pre-existing views that they have no intention of changing or moderating. Anyone that seriously challenges those views risks being to bullied/ignored/derided so most impose upon themselves a sort of voluntary gag order for self-preservation or post the prevailing ‘truth’ as a passport for belonging.
“it is now clear that social media has far-reaching social, political, and ethical consequences for the way in which reality is disseminated online, in turn influencing human thought and action”
(https://www.standrewslawreview.com/post/arbiters-of-truth-the-un-reality-of-social-media-platforms)
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I can't speak for everyone, but I won't attack or ridicule you if you've come to realise that Trump is a liar and criminal and in it purely for himself, and I don't think others here will either.
Yes, but the fact that you've recognised that suggests you're beginning to feel free to change.
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
I do hope you haven't ever mistaken me for being a Trump supporter?
Shit, sorry, I just did. I misread your username 
I suppose it is possible that I’d had several 11% beers and was being a bit of a wind up merchant. I will tone down my sense of humor (or lack there of) and start treating the Trump/Biden (you couldn’t make it up) debate with the seriousness it duly deserves.I’m pretty sure @lasvegan was being tongue in cheek with this ‘analysis’
Perhaps read my preceding posts with him on the previous page
I have a nasty sinus infection and was self medicating…
A complete mockery of the US legal system when 2 disgraced lawyers may be the “star witnesses” in a sham trial.
www.foxnews.com
Avenatti says Trump's legal defense team is in touch: 'Happy to testify'
In an interview with the New York Post from prison, suspended attorney Michael Avenatti claimed he'd be willing to testify if the defense calls on him in the Trump hush money trial.
www.foxnews.com
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I hope do hope you don’t
Having opposing political views and a sense of humour are not mutually exclusive
- I think we both can see the absurdity of an election (you couldn’t make it up) that has an octogenarian who looks like he should be in a nursing home pitted against a buffoon who’s character is the complete antithesis to everyone’s idea of ’Presidential’!
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
Don't trust the guy who I asked to lie (and commit fraud) for me, he's a liar!A complete mockery of the US legal system when 2 disgraced lawyers may be the “star witnesses” in a sham trial.
Avenatti says Trump's legal defense team is in touch: 'Happy to testify'
In an interview with the New York Post from prison, suspended attorney Michael Avenatti claimed he'd be willing to testify if the defense calls on him in the Trump hush money trial.
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Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
I do wonder why Mr Trump has such bad luck with his hires though. He tells us he only hires the best people, but so many of them seem to end up with legal difficulties.
rogersix
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the people who know him seem to dislike him and have little respect for him, maybe it's something personalA complete mockery of the US legal system when 2 disgraced lawyers may be the “star witnesses” in a sham trial.
Avenatti says Trump's legal defense team is in touch: 'Happy to testify'
In an interview with the New York Post from prison, suspended attorney Michael Avenatti claimed he'd be willing to testify if the defense calls on him in the Trump hush money trial.
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
Possibly off topic, though Trump is briefly mentioned, but here is Ben Elton discussing modern politics with Andrew Marr.
Have you tried injecting bleach or shining a bright light to self medicate