Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
I'm just going to drop this here, as I found it thought provoking, and also relevant in that I think we all need to be open to the possibility that we might be wrong:
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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024
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Like football, that video is a game of two halves.
It's interesting, but I don't know why the author felt the need to attack wokeism.
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It’s just an opinion piece, that I thought was really good, so I posted it. Rather than attack the source, why don’t you tell us all what the points are that you disagree with? I’m open to listening to opposing opinions, that’s the whole point of a forum isn’t it? If you’re convincing enough it may even swing my vote…
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
Yes, I thought that was a bit odd too, given the general tone of the piece. Though, I suppose you could argue that it handily illustrates the point he makes - viewing 'woke' as all bad is intelligent people believing stupid things.
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The piece is complaining about how immigration is handled under Biden, but doesn't look at how it was handled under Trump, or how he failed in the immigration promises he made before the last election. The author is writing specifically to help his side in the debate, so it doesn't provide value in that debate. It's like only listening to either the prosecution or defence in a court case. I'm not going to listen to what one side has to say if I can't hear the response from the other side.
If you are genuinely interested in opposing opinions, then I'd suggest you try and find news sources in the US that provide good opinions from both sides. I appreciate that's easier said than done in the US as there seems to be little to no regulation on what can be presented as news. Although with GB News in this country, maybe the regulations here aren't great either.
If I were voting in the US elections, there are many things that would put me off voting for Trump. Off the top of my head:
- he stirs up hatred among the population, aiming to divide rather than unite
- he avoids questions about his policy and governance, and when called up on anything he simply attacks the journalist and claims it's fake news. I've never seen that sort of behaviour from a leading politician in the US or UK before. It attempts to end debate and be unaccountable.
- he appears to be racist, and tells non-white Americans to go home, despite the fact that they were born in the US
- he is sexist and treats women poorly - these values don't match my own
- he strikes me as quite an unintelligent man, as demonstrated when he suggested that they looked at getting disinfectant and ultra violet light into the body to kill covid. And when called up on that, he simply lied and pretend it was sarcasm, which it clearly wasn't.
- on covid, he denied that it was an issue for months, until such a time that it was impossible to ignore the number of people were dying, so he simply lied and said that he warned of covid first, and that he knew the most about covid.
- when he lost the election, he tried to circumvent democracy by asking officials to lie and pretend that he won. That alone would give me a serious issue with voting for him.
While my own needs about how policies would affect my family would come into my decision, I also don't believe he's able to fulfil his promises of making America great again. He promised that last time, but it didn't happen, so why would this time be any different?
Where I vote in the UK I am not fond of any particular party, I'm fairly disappointed by them all, so I change my vote quite regularly depending on the leader and the policies they put forward. A fair number of people here do seem wedded to one party, but that seems to be even more the case in the US, so it often doesn't matter what policies are put forward. I don't really understand such a blinkered view on governance.
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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All those things are fair.
But, in my view just the "grab them by the pussy" comments on their own are enough to exclude someone from holding public office
schmunk
"Members"
Maybe he'll suggest replacing it with a wall - it's a damn good idea.
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"Trump is trying to unite the people against the establishment, when he left Fulton Jail he drove through poor/black areas and was well received, that's one of the ways he reaches out to different groups."
... and that's not the actions of a patronising out-of-touch idiot at all is it?
Trump IS the establishment, and the "poor black areas" are populated by people that he wouldn't share any space with unless there was a photo opportunity (as is self-evident by the fact that "he drove through poor/black areas")
Anyone who is innocent of a crime would work hard to speed up the trials as an opportunity to exonerate themselves (and as part of an election campaign to therefore gain votes) - the fact that DT is doing the opposite is simply more evidence that suggests his guilt.
"I'm innocent, and I'm gonna do everything I can to avoid proving that in court", is not something that DT is heard to say
"I'm innocent, and I'm gonna delay, delay, delay every opportunity to prove it" is surely NOT the message of a truly innocent/rational man.
... and that's not the actions of a patronising out-of-touch idiot at all is it?
Trump IS the establishment, and the "poor black areas" are populated by people that he wouldn't share any space with unless there was a photo opportunity (as is self-evident by the fact that "he drove through poor/black areas")
Anyone who is innocent of a crime would work hard to speed up the trials as an opportunity to exonerate themselves (and as part of an election campaign to therefore gain votes) - the fact that DT is doing the opposite is simply more evidence that suggests his guilt.
"I'm innocent, and I'm gonna do everything I can to avoid proving that in court", is not something that DT is heard to say
"I'm innocent, and I'm gonna delay, delay, delay every opportunity to prove it" is surely NOT the message of a truly innocent/rational man.
Crawley Dingo
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- Mar 31, 2022
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Thats what Lawfare does, as for Fulton use google.I thought ‘popularism’ in politics a range of policies that embrace the idea that the ‘elite’ is set against the masses/the ‘people’ - it doesn’t presume corruption of the elite
When was Trump in Fulton? I must have missed that - so many court cases and indictments over the years, it really has been impossible to keep up.
Crawley Dingo
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- Mar 31, 2022
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All Presidents from Washington to Obama came from either the political or military establishment. He has pitched himself against this, OK he didn't get done things he wanted to last time for various reasons. But has been saying he will break up the military industrial complex, the swamp, the deep state etc.
Crawley Dingo
Political thread tourist.
- Mar 31, 2022
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See my definition above, all US populists have come from the broad establishment, Roosevelt and Ross Pero for example. They can see clearly what is going on.
Crawley Dingo
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The purpose of this lawfare is to knock him out of the election by draining him of funds, taking up his time and discrediting him. All this has been clear enough to generate mirth in this thread so please less of the "I know why he is really doing it" BS, you all know why and are laughing about it.
But if he's innocent of all he's accused of, he won't get convicted of anything. And if he's so innocent, then any decent lawyer should be able to get him through the court cases quickly.
Instead he is paying millions of dollars to lawyers to constantly try and keep these cases out of the courts for as long as possible. And he is then going to have to pay them when the cases are heard anyway. He could have saved a fortune, and loads of times by not doing this.
So, simple question for you - please explain why it is better for him to spend all these many millions ('draining his funds'), prolonging everything as much as possible ('taking up his time') - when the simple way to have avoided both would have been to get the court cases over with cheaply and quickly - and get acquitted of everything?
Looking forward to your reply.
I am truly dumbfounded by your post. Do I need really need to explain to you what an opinion piece is? Yes I do…it’s about presenting one side of the debate (my side in this case) as opposed to the other. If you enjoy debating yourself, be my guest. You may even win one or two…
This thread is about 95% of presenting one side of the debate (yours), so if you are genuinely interested in opposing opinions then I suggest you read them (I do) and even welcome them instead of just blowing them off. But it seems you are more interested in regulating (banning) opinions that you don’t agree with.
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If you think he's running for any other reason than for himself then you are naive.
Pevenseagull
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Now claiming royalties on 'God Bless America ' bibles. (Added the US constitution to the Bible FFS)
Twat.
Money not for campaign, might be an issue of separation of church and state? But he does need dosh to settle any fines he may have associated with fraudulent use of money to pay off a pornstar he poked while his wife was at home with their newborn child (among other things)
Jesus wouldn't like this
Sod draining the swamp, cleanse the f***ing temple.
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Money not for campaign, might be an issue of separation of church and state? But he does need dosh to settle any fines he may have associated with fraudulent use of money to pay off a pornstar he poked while his wife was at home with their newborn child (among other things)
Jesus wouldn't like this
Sod draining the swamp, cleanse the f***ing temple.
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