BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Where did you get this idea? I thought that right from the start Biden's only real virtue was that he was a safe pair of hands . . . and not Trump.
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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024
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Where did you get this idea? I thought that right from the start Biden's only real virtue was that he was a safe pair of hands . . . and not Trump.
But that's exactly my point. Despite all the doomsday commentary on trump, the world feels a hell of a lot more uncertain and unsafe since sleepy Joe got in. This may just be coincidence or maybe there's something in it......
Can people please stop voting for leaders based on entertainment and start doing so based on ability?
As for the “no wars under Trump” bit, is Biden responsible for Russia and Hamas now? Only they started the two major conflicts currently kicking off.
Greg Bobkin
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- May 22, 2012
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You SERIOUSLY think it's possible that the world was more 'certain and safe' before Biden, purely because of Donald Trump? That he has THAT much influence over the world's dictators?
Fack me!
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To suggest voting on the entertainment value of an abusive, narcissistic demagogue who frankly is a consummate bull in a china shop when it comes to world diplomacy would be farcical if it wasn’t blindingly irresponsible .
Suffice to say, read the background stories to the news or read back on the thread a little … conflicts don’t happen in a vacuum and they certainly don’t spring up over night, they are often years in the planning and conditions for conflict happen months if not years and years before the actual outbreak of actual hostilities …
Just for example points below; posted earlier in thread (quote edited): See especially my note on UKRAINE:
As for why people on this board are so bothered; why the rest of the World (other than Russia, Israel or North Korea) are so bothered if Trump gets back into the WH; Because the ‘leader of the free world’ affects the whole world … that’s why. Civil unrest and the undermining of liberal democracy in America (that has gone hand and hand with Trump’s first term in the WH) would send a political shockwave throughout all Western Democracies if he got elected (or even barred from running) - And this Election does effect you personally because we are living in a globalised world where militarily, economically and environmentally, the foreign policy of the US is not just intertwined with that of her allies but largely influences the direction it takes too. The next POTUS could determine whether we stay at 90 seconds, or move even closer than we already are, to midnight on the Doomsday Clock.
Can Europe survive Trump 2.0?
The Continent could face a US president who toyed with quitting NATO and pledged to strike a ‘peace deal’ with Russia.
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It does also rely on the assumption that Trump, even if he had such influence, has any interest in stopping Putin from invading Ukraine anyway.
Mental Lental
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2004 called. It wants it's troll back.
70 percent of Haley voters in New Hampshire were not registered Republicans: CNN exit poll
Seven in 10 voters supporting Nikki Haley in the New Hampshire GOP primary were not registered Republicans, according to a CNN exit poll. The poll found 70 percent of voters who backed Haley …
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You can see why trump is heavy favourite to get back in power with this kind of sneering attitude. 74 million voted for trump in 2020, are you calling all those people morons ?
And what did the Dems do about the nuclear arms deal or the Doha agreement.... Nada. If they were so set against these policies why did they not try and reverse them. Especially the Doha agreement which had get out clauses.To suggest voting on the entertainment value of an abusive, narcissistic demagogue who frankly is a consummate bull in a china shop when it comes to world diplomacy would be farcical if it wasn’t blindingly irresponsible .
Suffice to say, read the background stories to the news or read back on the thread a little … conflicts don’t happen in a vacuum and they certainly don’t spring up over night, they are often years in the planning and conditions for conflict happen months if not years and years before the actual outbreak of actual hostilities …
Just for example points below; posted earlier in thread (quote edited): See especially my note on UKRAINE:
As for why people on this board are so bothered; why the rest of the World (other than Russia, Israel or North Korea) are so bothered if Trump gets back into the WH; Because the ‘leader of the free world’ affects the whole world … that’s why. Civil unrest and the undermining of liberal democracy in America (that has gone hand and hand with Trump’s first term in the WH) would send a political shockwave throughout all Western Democracies if he got elected (or even barred from running) - And this Election does effect you personally because we are living in a globalised world where militarily, economically and environmentally, the foreign policy of the US is not just intertwined with that of her allies but largely influences the direction it takes too. The next POTUS could determine whether we stay at 90 seconds, or move even closer than we already are, to midnight on the Doomsday Clock.
Can Europe survive Trump 2.0?
The Continent could face a US president who toyed with quitting NATO and pledged to strike a ‘peace deal’ with Russia.
Obviously I do agree with you on the Paris agreement that was dumb from trump.
Crawley Dingo
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I don't know why people reference this term there are alternative facts, a horse can be fast and strong for example. Its also a reference to lying by omission. Seriously whats your point?
Greg Bobkin
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- May 22, 2012
- 14,860
I'm not sure the opinion of someone in the UK has much influence on the result of a US election.
Also, Clinton was the 'heavy favourite' back in 2016. That worked well...
Haha! You are not a serious contributor so why would you request a serious point? Seriously....
Thank you for this. I shall read it carefully; I don't know enough about it yet, and I am sure that there have been some shenanigans, but my initial thought is 'Undeclared and Independent voters' does not automatically mean large scale Democrat infiltration. Having said that, I am sure there are plenty of people who are just trying to prevent a dangerous second Trump term....70 percent of Haley voters in New Hampshire were not registered Republicans: CNN exit poll
Seven in 10 voters supporting Nikki Haley in the New Hampshire GOP primary were not registered Republicans, according to a CNN exit poll. The poll found 70 percent of voters who backed Haley …
Mental Lental
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Yes. Every last one of them.
nicko31
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I do find it bizarre some on here as so relaxed about a Trump 2nd Presidency, for some to suggest they're both a same is as batshit as Trump's base
Not to mention we now have Tory politicians on the right now suggesting Trump 2.0 would be good for the world. Yeah the leader of the free world a climate change denier, a democracy denier and a serial sex offender, yeah...
Not to mention we now have Tory politicians on the right now suggesting Trump 2.0 would be good for the world. Yeah the leader of the free world a climate change denier, a democracy denier and a serial sex offender, yeah...
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Greg Bobkin
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- May 22, 2012
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Probably something to do that we can do nothing about it. I'm still not convinced he'll get in (for a number of reasons) but, if he does, the US – and the world – will have to suck it up.
However, this guy is the king of bullshit. In fact, he'd probably boast that "No-one talks more bullshit than me" in that bizzare way he rambles. So, rightly or wrongly, I take everything he says with a pinch of salt. For example, he didn't build the wall, nor did he lock 'Crooked' Hillary up and "Obamacare" didn't get fully repealed and replaced. Grifters gonna grift.
Hotchilidog
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