[Politics] Donald Trump 2024

Greg Bobkin said:

Loads of people - on here and elsewhere - seem to think it's a dead cert because of the result in Iowa.

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Crawley Dingo said:

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I'm sure if the Democrats had agreed to an independent investigation it would of put my mind to rest, although yours is already settled regardless. I seem to remember the UK had an independent investigation into postal vote fraud. Did that traumatise you?

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Zeberdi said:

It is complicated but as brief as I can:

1. Caucuses - are meetings organised throughout the State by the political parties in some States instead of State-run Primaries - there are only 5 States which have caucuses. (See ‘Caucus States 2024’ link) The others have State wide elections in March in which anyone registered to vote, can vote. The purpose of caucuses and Primaries are to decide how many delegates each candidate gets to attend the party Convention - each delegate represents a vote at the Convention - anyone can attend a caucus but only if they are registered party members - they just turn up and basically go and stand near their candidates in a large room - after speeches there is a show of hands. The Democratic caucuses will be all mail in ballots not votes cast at the caucuses. We have no equivalent unless you count hustings which have no vote but where the candidates address voters/make speeches.

2. Each State has a proportionate number of available delegates/voters allowed to attend the Convention - Iowa has 40 - out of that number Trump won a majority (20?) —all those Iowa delegates then attend the Party Convention locked into their candidate. The Presidential Candidate is the one that has won the most delegates from all caucuses and Primaries combined. At the Republican party Convention for example, a Candidate needs to have at least 1,215 votes ( a majority of the votes out of a total of 2,400 delegate votes) to be nominated as the Presidential Candidate

3. The nominee is the Candidate that has won the most delegate votes from the primaries and caucuses (so it is more often than not just a formality), however, if no one candidate has won such a majority, the votes are all disregarded and the Convention votes from scratch. The ‘nominee’ is who the Convention decides will represent each party in the General Election as the Presidential candidate and race to the White House. As it stands currently, Biden and Trump are looking likely to be the nominees for Presidential Candidates based on opinion polls and the lead they have over other candidates. The Republicans have 6 candidates, the Democrats 3. (Biden, Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson - plenty of info on Wiki about the latter two).

Caucus States 2024

What is a caucus? How Nevada's two days of voting are different

Nevada will hold both a Republican primary and caucuses in 2024. Here's what will be different about the two days of voting and how the caucuses work.

www.cbsnews.com

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Mental Lental said:

He's still got to get a constitutionally changing decision from the Supreme Court to even be allowed on the ballot in the first place.

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Rookie said:

If (notice the ‘if’, this means that I have not commented on whether Mr Trump is or isn’t) the opposition is a criminal then yes

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A1X said:

So you have a problem with opposition politicians being locked up? Have you not been listening to what Trump’s been saying?

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Deportivo Seagull said:

Well in a democracy, if you are proven to have committed a sexual assault then yes you should get locked up. He has been proven on the sexual assault, the fact that he hasn’t been locked up is now down to statute of limitations.

The fact that you would support a sexual predator speaks volumes. Where is your self respect.

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chickens said:

I’m genuinely interested too, hence asking. What I fear getting back is a response full of “Crooked Hilary”, “Hunter Biden’s laptop” and other whataboutery.

I’m not interested in perceived wrongdoing of others, if there’s been criminal wrongdoing by others then it’s a matter for the courts. If the authorities have looked at it and said “no case to answer” then I’m disregarding it. If they’re investigating then let the investigation take place and those charges be judged on their merit.

Trump has loaded the top judiciary with his buddies, so he has sympathetic ears to hear his complaints. I want to know how anyone can claim to believe in their country’s democracy, stare at the cold hard facts regarding Trump’s actions, and then still truthfully believe that this is an individual who should hold the office of President.

To me, it feels like the logical gymnastics required would tie me in a knot it would require surgery to undo.

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lasvegan said:

Is it true, I don’t know, he has obviously denied it. Joe Biden himself has been accused of sexual assault, not to mention sniffing little girls and showering with his daughter. Even his son Hunter refers to him as Pedo Pete.

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BadFish said:

'Yeah but Joe Biden' indeed

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lasvegan said:

Nonsensical answer

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BadFish said:

However, Trump’s involvement in inciting the Capitol riots is plain and established as a matter of record. Similarly his phone call demanding that somebody find him “x more votes” - how does anyone who believes in American democracy of either party rationalise those actions, setting apart any irregularities in his business affairs?

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Federal appeals court rules Trump can be sued for inciting violence on Jan. 6

A federal appeals court says lawsuits against Donald Trump brought by Capitol Police officers and Democratic lawmakers over the U.S. Capitol riot can move forward.

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lasvegan said:

So you now get locked up for saying things?

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lasvegan said:

So you now get locked up for saying things?

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Zeberdi said:

As stated, these things have been noted as a matter of record but Trump hasn’t been convicted of ’inciting’ anything yet so these are just charges which the Federal Court of Washington DC has ruled can proceed. The Washington DC indictment doesn’t actually mention ‘incitement’ or ‘insurrection’ either but other equally serious charges to do with trying to overturn the election on Jan 6:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

Federal appeals court rules Trump can be sued for inciting violence on Jan. 6

A federal appeals court says lawsuits against Donald Trump brought by Capitol Police officers and Democratic lawmakers over the U.S. Capitol riot can move forward.

www.pbs.org

Trump has been trying for months to argue that he is afforded Presidential immunity against these charges “ But the three-judge panel said the 2024 Republican presidential primary frontrunner can continue to fight, as the cases proceed, to try to prove that his actions were taken in his official capacity as president.” but the trial would proceed in the meantime.

Now here is the best bit - on the one hand, you have Trump Appealing to SCOTUS that art 3 of the 14th Amendment doesn’t bar him from being on ballots because he was not President on Jan 6 (art 3 says no official who commits insurrection while in office can run for office again) - so, if SCOTUS rules in favour of Trump by saying article 3 doesn’t apply he can stay on the ballots BUT success in the Appeal while allowing him to run again, means he will not logically be able to at the same time claim immunity from prosecution in the Washington DC Jan 6 charges by arguing he was President at the time the District of Columbia will have a Supreme Court decision that Trump was not.

If however, SCOTUS rules against Trump in that he was President at the time and Art 3 applies, Trump will be probably be removed from the ballots of every Democratic States and maybe a few swing ones (but he might be able to convince the District of Columbia at least he is afforded Presidential immunity from prosecution for Jan 6!)

Ooops

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lasvegan said:

Is it true, I don’t know, he has obviously denied it. Joe Biden himself has been accused of sexual assault, not to mention sniffing little girls and showering with his daughter. Even his son Hunter refers to him as Pedo Pete.

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lasvegan said:

Is it true, I don’t know, he has obviously denied it. Joe Biden himself has been accused of sexual assault, not to mention sniffing little girls and showering with his daughter. Even his son Hunter refers to him as Pedo Pete.

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Zeberdi said:

...Trump since he was no longer President on Jan 6 - not something SCOTUS has ruled on before since no POTUS has ever engaged in insurrection.

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Zeberdi said:

It is complicated but as brief as I can:

1. Caucuses - are meetings organised throughout the State by the political parties in some States instead of State-run Primaries - there are only 5 States which have caucuses. (See ‘Caucus States 2024’ link) The others have State wide elections in March (the Primaries) in which anyone registered to vote, can vote. The purpose of caucuses and Primaries are to decide how many delegates each candidate gets to attend each party Convention - each delegate represents a vote at the Convention - anyone can attend a caucus but only if they are registered party members - they just turn up and basically go and stand near their candidates in a large room - after speeches there is a show of hands. The Democratic caucuses will be decided by all mail in ballots not by casting votes at the caucuses. We have no equivalent unless you count hustings which have no vote but where the candidates address voters/make speeches.

2. Each State that uses caucuses, has caucuses usually every two years - first to select delegates who will represent the candidates. Then caucuses to determine how many delegates each candidate will have going forward to the respective Convention. Each State has different ways of allocating delegates to candidates - winner takes all, proportional representation or minimal threshold of votes to get through - Each State also has a quota of unpledged delegates who go to the Convention and vote freely. Each State has a proportionate number of available delegates/voters allowed to attend the Convention - eg Iowa has 40 Republican delegates available - out of that number Trump won a majority (20?) —all those 40 Republican Iowa delegates including Iowas ‘super delegates’ (ie those that can vote freely) then attend the Republican Party Convention locked into their candidate or if unpledged, free to vote for whomever they want. The Presidential Candidate for each party is the one that has won the most delegates to each respective party Convention from all caucuses and Primaries combined . At the Republican party Convention for example, a Candidate needs to have at least 1,215 votes ( a majority of the votes out of a total of 2,400 delegate votes) to be nominated as the Presidential Candidate

3. The nominee is the Candidate that has won the most delegate votes from the primaries and caucuses (so it is more often than not just a formality), however, if no one candidate has won such a majority, the votes are all disregarded and the Convention votes from scratch. The respective ‘nominee’ is who each party‘s Convention decides will represent their party in the General Election as the Presidential candidate and race to the White House. As it stands currently, Biden and Trump are looking likely to be the nominees for Presidential Candidates based on opinion polls and the lead they have over other candidates. The Republicans have 6 candidates, the Democrats 3. (Biden, Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson - plenty of info on Wiki about the latter two).

Caucus States 2024

What is a caucus? How Nevada's two days of voting are different

Nevada will hold both a Republican primary and caucuses in 2024. Here's what will be different about the two days of voting and how the caucuses work.

www.cbsnews.com

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