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[Football] Premier League - Project Big Picture
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He was indeed. As someone has kindly leaked the document to me, some of the small print I suspect wouldn't find favour from DC.
The headline is £250m for EFL clubs and a 25% share of Premier League TV revenues, but when you see the full details it is as follows.
The £250m will be an ADVANCE of TV monies from the Premier League, it is not additional funding, this will therefore be deducted once the new TV deal kicks in, so EFL clubs will have less money in those years.
At present the Premier League negotiates the overseas TV deals on behalf of all 20 PL clubs for all matches. The present value of these rights is about £1.4 billion a year.
Under the proposals clubs would be able to sell the rights for 8 matches themselves via streaming overseas and would keep 100% of the revenues. If given first dibs on these matches then you can see Liverpool v Manchester United, Arsenal v Spurs etc being sold by the club itself as these would be the most lucrative, leaving the matches against small clubs such as Crystal Palace to be sold by the PL. This is likely so substantially reduce the value of the centrally sold rights. Therefore EFL clubs would receive 25% of a much smaller pie.
The reduction in PL from 20 to 18 clubs is described as helping the England national team. However, from 2024/25 there is likely to be an increase in the size of the Champions League competition and the group stages will go from 6 to 12 games, so actually footballers will be asked to play more often, not less (they don't play in Carabou Cup matches anyway so that makes zero difference.
The proposals talk of a £100 million 'gift' to the English FA from the deal. If you take a look at the PL constitution the FA has a golden share that can be used to veto any changes. Therefore this 'gift' could be also described as a 'bribe'. If it was given to someone prior to voting for where the next World Cup was taking place it would certainly be categorised as such.
The present EFL TV deal is worth about £119m a year, this covers all EFL sanctioned matches, including the Carabou Cup, which is estimated to be worth about 2/3 of the total value. Abolishing the Carabou Cup would reduce the value of the EFL's own TV deal.
The good thing about the deal is that it reduces the financial gaps between divisions, this will come at the price of two clubs being kicked out of the EFL as 92 doesn't go into 90 (remember that we finished 91st twice in the pyramid) and the inequality in the Premier League will become much greater, so it becomes more like some other countries in Europe.
I was booked to go on to Radio Four this morning to discuss the story. Have been critical of the governance of the EFL for some time.
Earlier this year I was due to appear on Five Live discussing lower tier football and booked for an hour. The BBC managed to get Rick Parry to talk to the show presenter for ten minutes but the EFL laid down a condition to the BBC that I could not ask him any questions, and the show producer switched off my microphone during the time that Parry was on the show. His demeanour today on both Radio Four and BBC Breakfast was mainly focussed on someone having the temerity to leak the plans to the press, in a similar way to how he complained about a Wigan fan putting onto social media Parry's revelations that Wigan's administration might be linked to bets placed on the club to be relegated.
Some people prefer to play the man not the ball.
That's a little detail that's not been mentioned. So, rather than being a bailout for the EFL, the clubs would end up with less money and see two of their number out of the door.
The big question is: why is Rick Parry pushing this? It's clearly not beneficial to the EFL in the long term; shouldn't he be looking after his members' interests?
Lyndhurst 14
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- Jan 16, 2008
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Ironically I've got a lot of American friends who are big fans of the promotion / relegation system. Since NBC has been televising every Premiership game live for the last few years or so in the States they have had far more exposure to EPL matches and have seen the excitement and drama that comes in those final games when clubs are facing relegation or looking at promotion. They don't get that with their own league, MLS, there's just a string of pointless cups etc to pad out the season. I've always thought it odd that in a country which is all about competition and success in most other aspects of their lives they settle on this boring, stagnant system of closed leagues where all the teams are protected and other lower clubs are unable to break into this elite clique - weird
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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we can stop there cant we? the clubs are not going to give up such a large slice of their revenue, even among a reduced number of clubs its 17%(?) less.
jessiejames
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This is the bit I don't understand, I was on the understanding that it was on continuous years in the Premier league. If that's the case then Everton are one of the top 6 clubs, Man City are one of the next 3 along with West Ham and Southampton.
BN41Albion
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- Oct 1, 2017
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I always think that about the NFL, as much as I enjoy watching it. Only 16 games in a regular season, and for loads of the teams their season is effectively over after the first 4 or 5 games. Slog for the players and fans to get through the next 10 games playing for nothing before over 8 months till the next season
so shit compared to the set up we have at the moment with football. Would hate to lose the drama we have in football.
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Crikey!
I listened to you on the radio today. Measured as always.
I won't ask you to spill any beans.
I will ask however: it seems to me the leaked document was what woud have been an opening bid. My feeling is that allowing a more proportionate say for the entire EPL would be conceded and would swing the outcome. Always aim for more than you expect to get and all that (the 'elite', I mean).
I just listened (as I suspect did you) to the Orient chairman's interview. Thoughts?
As long as all the income (TV and gate) went to the playoff team, and none went to the shit shower hanging on by it's finger nails. No rewards for failure. Fix that and yes it would be epic.
There's the rub. The options are: stupidity, cupidity and an insight that is currently eluding the rest of us.
The EFL Chief Executive Dave Baldwin has just resigned less than six months after taking the job.
Could it be because he was unhappy at events taking place behind his back?
Could it be because he was unhappy at events taking place behind his back?
Missed the interview, could you summarise?
Why is Liverpool fan and former Liverpool CEO Rick Parry pushing this? No idea.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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As long as three teams go up and three come down, teams like Leicester can win the Premier League, Wigan the FA Cup and Swansea the League Cup every team in the pyramid has a chance emulating them. It maybe unlikely but it's the hope that keeps you going.
Right now, teams at the wrong end of the Prem can still beat teams at the top - there are a number of sides that are only a couple of signings away from being a contender, i.e. Leicester were nothing before Kante signed.
I'd argue that the Premier League is as exciting now as it's ever been and this is precisely the wrong time to be changing the structure at the top level. Clubs outside of the Big 6 have enough money to keep their top stars - Vardy, Jiminez, Grealish, Zaha, and these players can hurt them.
Right now, teams at the wrong end of the Prem can still beat teams at the top - there are a number of sides that are only a couple of signings away from being a contender, i.e. Leicester were nothing before Kante signed.
I'd argue that the Premier League is as exciting now as it's ever been and this is precisely the wrong time to be changing the structure at the top level. Clubs outside of the Big 6 have enough money to keep their top stars - Vardy, Jiminez, Grealish, Zaha, and these players can hurt them.
rogersix
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- Jan 18, 2014
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did this not result in violence when tried in the past? a full 50/50 wembly, smashed up on booze etc
It was seen as palpably unfair to financially reward a shit PL club with a day out in wem ber leee. Dunno about the violance. It was early 90s so Das Reich was probably still going to games; anything is possible
He sounded decent. He spoke in favour of salary caps. He opined about clubs spending money they didn't have (Bury). All pushing at open doors.
He supports the 'deal' that Parry has allegedly concocted. At that point I though he was a bit out of his zone of expertise and wherewithall.
GT49er
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We had them before. They were blood baths!