[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

Yes - plenty want this stage over, and to now leave - but only in the least damaging way possible.

There is a sizeable uncompromising Peoples' Vote faction though, for sure.

I'd have to disagree. If they want this over and in the least damaging way, then remain is the only answer which fulfils those two criteria. Anything else will do further damage to the economy and poorest, and continue this clusterf*** for another 5-50 years, depending on the flavour of 'leave' chosen.

I really can't understand why that situation would make a remainer U-turn to Leave

Because it would be a U-turn and not a compromise, wouldn't it. (Unless you have a different definition of the word).

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The Remainers are the ones who started a verbal onslaught upon me and other leavers and I wasn't taken seriously, I don't normally lower myself to their childish name-calling, however, if they seriously think the brexiteers will take this lying down then they need to think again.

Compromise or the Brexit party will rise from the dead, then they will have something to moan about at the general election.

A verbal onslaught.

This is a typical troll posting. The poster mocks, provokes and baits, and then when anyone reacts with an insult of any shade or hue, they play the victim with hyperbole.

 

[Bob!]

Exactly, I find it unbelievable that the remainers have NO compromise at all.

They appear, selfish individuals who hide behind their masks of deception, they obviously are not all they like to portray on the exterior.

The thing is the public is beginning to see through their project fear campaigns, and they know what Boris is all about as he is consistent as is Farage, that's why these leaders have such popularity among the intelligent electorate.

Compromise should have happened straight after the vote, all parties should have been involved. I would have accepted a Customs Union / Norway deal based on the referendum.

 

[Razzoo]

A bit like when the Tories won the 1970 General Election with a pledge to join The EEC and the UK didn't join until 1973 after lengthy negotiations and debate and the European Communities Bill was properly scrutinised, debated and voted on/MP's stalling and obstructing it all in parliament? What uproar and anger was there then?

Or did you just think undoing the past 45 years since then was going to be really easy?

That’s the other thing, what did we join? And what has it morphed into? If it was purely about trade deals I would be okay with it. It’s not though is it?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I'd have to disagree. If they want this over and in the least damaging way, then remain is the only answer which fulfils those two criteria. Anything else will do further damage to the economy and poorest, and continue this clusterf*** for another 5-50 years, depending on the flavour of 'leave' chosen.

I really can't understand why that situation would make a remainer U-turn to Leave

I sort of explained in my edit to my initially rushed post.

I suppose that keeping the contract with the population has to have immense value going forward.

That is very hard to do if there are broken promises in doing that. So we also don't break the promises made - "There is a free trade zone between Iceland and the border of Russia and we will be part of it" - this commitment must also be fulfilled in phase 2 - not what is now in the (in theory)non-binding future relationship document.

 

[Grombleton]

The Remainers are the ones who started a verbal onslaught upon me and other leavers and I wasn't taken seriously, I don't normally lower myself to their childish name-calling, however, if they seriously think the brexiteers will take this lying down then they need to think again.

Compromise or the Brexit party will rise from the dead, then they will have something to moan about at the general election.

Which is it

Congratulations on entirely ignoring what my post was trying to say. Points could be added for the 'woe is me' tangent.

I don't normally lower myself to their childish name-calling

they know what Boris is all about as he is consistent as is Farage, that's why these leaders have such popularity among the intelligent electorate.

Implying that people that don't follow Boris or Farage aren't intelligent? So it's not childish name-calling you lower yourself to, just the attempt at carefully worded, thinly-veiled insults instead?

 

[A1X]

Johnson dodging the select committee again tomorrow for all those who trust him to deliver on his bullshitting.

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[A1X]

Compromise or the Brexit party will rise from the dead, then they will have something to moan about at the general election.

Most Remainers have been more than happy to compromise toward an EFTA or an EFTA+ model. Why are Brexiters not compromising?

As for the Brexit party rising from the dead, they've had their moment in the sun and will shortly disappear just as UKIP did.

 

[ManOfSussex]

That’s the other thing, what did we join? And what has it morphed into? If it was purely about trade deals I would be okay with it. It’s not though is it?

The 'Ever Closer Union' bit was on Page 2 of the Treaty of Rome though, right at the top.

It's not and never has been purely about trade and we had opt-outs etc, but instead here we are in 2019 with this Brexit never ending mess.

 

[A1X]

Imagine if the roles were reversed totally and the vote was to decide whether to join the EU, and yet over a 1000 days on we were still not in and MP' s were stalling and obstructing. There would be massive uproar and anger. They just don't get the affront to Democracy it is.

Wouldn't there only be one version of "join", though?

Incidentally, Serbia applied to join the EU in 2009, and is now not expected to join until 2025. That's well over 1,000 days.

 

[schmunk]

I'd have to disagree. If they want this over and in the least damaging way, then remain is the only answer which fulfils those two criteria. Anything else will do further damage to the economy and poorest, and continue this clusterf*** for another 5-50 years, depending on the flavour of 'leave' chosen.

But the racists and angry pensioners will be all crosspatch. That cannot be allowed and is an affront to democracy.

 

[A1X]

That’s the other thing, what did we join? And what has it morphed into? If it was purely about trade deals I would be okay with it. It’s not though is it?

By joining the EEC the UK signed up to the Treaty of Rome (1950), which clearly sets out exactly where the EU has come to.

 

[Yoda]

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Lets not forget that Yesterday was also only his second PM's Questions he's been bothered to attend as well since he became PM in July. Doesn't like being held accountable much does he?

 

[Is it PotG?]

But the racists and angry pensioners will be all crosspatch. That cannot be allowed and is an affront to democracy.

...and the Leavers not fitting into these creative stereotypes?

 

[A1X]

Lets not forget that Yesterday was also only his second PM's Questions he's been bothered to attend as well since he became PM in July. Doesn't like being held accountable much does he?

The uncharitable might suggest he had something to hide.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

That’s the other thing, what did we join? And what has it morphed into? If it was purely about trade deals I would be okay with it. It’s not though is it?

We were already in EFTA (European Free Trade Agreement) and left that to join the EU.
That was pretty clear in the 70s when we had the referendum to join.
As has been pointed out, it was in the Treaty of Rome.

Each country is still sovereign, so the silly slogan of taking back control is a huge lie, that many leavers have been conned into believing.
The U.K. is a leader in the EU, not subservient.

 

[Razzoo]

Wouldn't there only be one version of "join", though?

Incidentally, Serbia applied to join the EU in 2009, and is now not expected to join until 2025. That's well over 1,000 days.

There was only the one leave box to tick on my ballot.

 

[A1X]

There was only the one leave box to tick on my ballot.

So why does Boris Johnson claim his deal represents what the 17.4m voted for and Nigel Farage claims it is not? Who is right, and why?

 

[Is it PotG?]

So why does Boris Johnson claim his deal represents what the 17.4m voted for and Nigel Farage claims it is not? Who is right, and why?

Well, they're both right.....and they're both wrong.

Fun times.

 

[A1X]

Well, they're both right.....and they're both wrong.

Fun times.

So if both are right and both are wrong then how can it be claimed there is one unifying version of Leave and that all the 17.4m people who were voting leave wanted that? It strikes me that given there is no single version of Leave and the result was so narrow then there is no version of Leave which commands a majority and as such the result is void and we need a rerun with an actual version of Leave outlined and cost-benefited. Seems reasonable, no?