[Politics] Brexit

[Sussex Nomad]

I ask you if you understand the difference between a deal and 'no deal'.

You think that is patronising.

So I ask you whether you think the differences are significant or not and, if so, what you would prefer

and you answer



WTF ?

Sorry, I answered your question, I have no idea what else you are asking for.

 

[Lever]

I totally get the fallout, however, the rule of democracy falls on the side of leavers. It is their job in the HoC to follow it through.

Yes but the referendum was so poorly constructed that it gave no clue as to what would be the process after the vote had been taken; 'follow it through' does not come with a user guide.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Sorry, I answered your question, I have no idea what else you are asking for.

Probably best just to agree that we are operating in parallel (and very distant) universes

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Anyone any idea what side the England game is on? Sorry

 

[nicko31]

I totally get the fallout, however, the rule of democracy falls on the side of leavers. It is their job in the HoC to follow it through.

Blame your Brexity pals for not voting for the deal on the table. Labour were never going to vote for a Tory disasterous blind Brexit

 

[Publius Ovidius]

Anyone know what yellowhammer actually says?

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Yes but the referendum was so poorly constructed that it gave no clue as to what would be the process after the vote had been taken; 'follow it through' does not come with a user guide.

But it was what we were given and we voted on it, that was the pure and simple question, that was the mandate, that was written in law, that is what we were given.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Blame your Brexity pals for not voting for the deal on the table. Labour were never going to vote for a Tory disasterous blind Brexit

I don't blame a single person for voting out, I just wish more had.

 

[Lever]

He's not interested in any of that, Lever. As far as he's concerned, all Leave voters meant leave at any cost, which, as we know, isn't true at all.
Some might have been swayed by the BJ bus, some by the 'taking back control', but there were also many that actually believed that we would leave with an easy/good/best deal.
The hard Leavers seem to be inconsiderate of that.

As an English teacher, one of the skills I was expected to teach learners was to write letters of complaint.
I always used to ask them to identify specifically what they wanted to happen and not just rant and end with the cliche 'do something about it!' The lack of specific focus is half the problem with this debate too....

 

[nicko31]

But it was what we were given and we voted on it, that was the pure and simple question, that was the mandate, that was written in law, that is what we were given.

Nothing was in law it was advisory, with the rules that were broken it just as well, the referendum would be VOID

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Probably best just to agree that we are operating in parallel (and very distant) universes

We are, but respect to you.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

As an English teacher, one of the skills I was expected to teach learners was to write letters of complaint.
I always used to ask them to identify specifically what they wanted to happen and not just rant and end with the cliche 'do something about it!' The lack of specific focus is half the problem with this debate too....

Are you accusing me of ranting?

 

[Lever]

But it was what we were given and we voted on it, that was the pure and simple question, that was the mandate, that was written in law, that is what we were given.

True.
So let me put this another way, what exactly do you want to happen now?

 

[Lever]

Are you accusing me of ranting?

No... that is what I asked my students not to do Sussex Nomad. Please read the posts carefully so you avoid taking offence where none was intended....

 

[birthofanorange]

As an English teacher, one of the skills I was expected to teach learners was to write letters of complaint.
I always used to ask them to identify specifically what they wanted to happen and not just rant and end with the cliche 'do something about it!' The lack of specific focus is half the problem with this debate too....

Yes, one could almost be forgiven for thinking that they don't really know, which is a ridiculous concept.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

True.
So let me put this another way, what exactly do you want to happen now?

I want us to leave, deal or no deal, I don't really care either way. I want the will of the people to be followed through.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Democracy matters here.

 

[birthofanorange]

I want us to leave, deal or no deal, I don't really care either way. I want the will of the people to be followed through.

It's not though, is it?

A. It never was - it was the Will of a slight majority.

B: The majority of the People do NOT wish to Leave with a No Deal.

And you appear to be yet another who refuses to/can't give some reasons (apart from the ones that have been addressed and debunked on numerous occasions.)

 

[Lever]

I want us to leave, deal or no deal, I don't really care either way. I want the will of the people to be followed through.

... and around we go. Even if all Leavers agreed it would only be the will of 52% of the voters in 2016 and not the cliched 'will of the people'; but not all Leavers want the same outcome, further dividing the 'winning lobby'.
Some Leave advocates will not accept no deal, others will accept nothing else.
There is no majority for anything. You view is as valid as anyone else's .... there just aren't enough people who agree with you to put it into practice - any more than there are enough people who agree with me that the leave options are all really bad and we need to forget it.......

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

But you simply do not acknowledge that it is the 'follow through' on that vote that is causing the problem. Please give some thought to MPs who are trying to ensure we do what they sincerely believe is the best for us..... on all sides of the argument. Meanwhile they are being abused - and in one case murdered for doing their job.

Ha ha ha the Kemptown **** and Lucas doing the best for us Ha ha ha ha cough ha ha ha ha ha
Regards
DF