[Politics] Brexit

[Baldseagull]

Raconteur clamp sloped off after his racist post, few days later fanseagull appears……..sure it’s a coincidence though.

Like the coincidence of all your "joke" bookmarks being masturbatory material, and you being a massive

 

[Baldseagull]

Might as well coil one cleanly into the ballot box considering you lot are crapping all over it and smearing it all over the voting hall anyway.
You are the incontinent coach drivers of democracy, when will you confess to your filth?

If you really want to know what version of leaving the people want then ask the question in another vote.

First referendum

Instruction given to Leave

Second Referendum
How should we Leave.

A/ Leave with the withdrawal deal
or
B/ Leave with no deal

Scared of real direct democracy?

Real direct democracy is the one with all the options.

 

[pastafarian]

Real direct democracy is the one with all the options.

That is what the vote on how should we leave( considering we have already decided to leave) offers.
Leave with a negotiated withdrawal agreement or Leave with no negotiated withdrawal agreement.
Surely you are not going to suggest Remain should be an option on a vote asking to decide how we should Leave .........oh wait........you are........here, have a hat.

 

[melias shoes]

Real direct democracy is the one with all the options.

You mean the one that gives you the result you want. I bet you was the kid that took his ball home when he was losing.

 

[melias shoes]

That is what the vote on how should we leave( considering we have already decided to leave) offers.
Leave with a negotiated withdrawal agreement or Leave with no negotiated withdrawal agreement.
Surely you are not going to suggest Remain should be an option on a vote asking to decide how we should Leave .........oh wait........you are........here, have a hat.

Imagine the tantrums he had as a kid.

 

[WATFORD zero]

You mean the one that gives you the result you want. I bet you was the kid that took his ball home when he was losing.

Very good. You've obviously been reading up about 'no deal' so,

Can you tell us which countries/trading blocs have currently lodged objections to our WTO submissions and are stopping any negotiations ?

I'm genuinely interested what people like yourself, who want us to push on with 'no deal' think we should do about the problems it's throwing up

 

[WATFORD zero]

Imagine the tantrums he had as a kid.

And to save your imagination, here is a quality tantrum

I must be one of those rancid leave voters then because if parliament told us to vote again via a second referendum I would never vote at all ever again either, what would be the frigging point.
Well that’s not entirely true, I would turn up to the polling station at elections and voice my opinion by dumping in the ballot box……not strictly a vote although it might be confused and counted as a affirmative gesture for the lib dems.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Might as well coil one cleanly into the ballot box considering you lot are crapping all over it and smearing it all over the voting hall anyway.
You are the incontinent coach drivers of democracy, when will you confess to your filth?

If you really want to know what version of leaving the people want then ask the question in another vote.

First referendum

Instruction given to Leave

Second Referendum
How should we Leave.

A/ Leave with the withdrawal deal
or
B/ Leave with no deal

Scared of real direct democracy?

It is clear that you are.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I don't claim to know even half of everything but I suggested a thousand posts ago that the EU and May had secretly agreed a titbit sufficient to get her deal past the house at the second time of asking.

The first time of asking was cancelled of course but I still suspect that titbit is being heated up at meetings in London and Brussels, and will emerge before the rearranged vote. Whether it will be enough time will tell. It could well be.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Strange you havnt heard of a managed no deal instead of the “crash out” one.
Did you miss the emergency contingency measures the EU put forward only a few days ago for managing a no deal scenario,as best as possible, looking at “cooperation arrangements”, “reciprocated” approaches and “equivalent rights” in case there is no withdrawal agreement.

“Today’s package includes 14 measures in a limited number of areas where a “no-deal” scenario would create major disruption for citizens and businesses in the EU27. These areas include financial services, air transport, customs, and climate policy, amongst others.
The Commission considers it essential and urgent to adopt these measures today to ensure that the necessary contingency measures can enter into application on 30 March 2019 in order to limit the most significant damage caused by a “no-deal” scenario in these areas.”

“If the Withdrawal Agreement is ratified before 30 March 2019, EU law will cease to apply to and in the UK on 1 January 2021, i.e. after a transition period of 21 months”.

“If the Withdrawal Agreement is not ratified before 30 March 2019, there will be no transition period and EU law will cease to apply to and in the UK as of 30 March 2019. This is referred to as the "no-deal" or "cliff-edge" scenario”

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/20181213-contingency-ip_en.pdf
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/com-2018-890-final.pdf
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/contingency-qanda_en.pdf

EU were talking about managing a no deal scenario back in November, you really should read the released documents.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52018DC0880

Weird that not only you didn’t know about a managed no deal approach but you never saw it coming either.

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You are quoting EU measures as an example of a 'managed no deal'. All of which are to protect the EU

Meanwhile, how's Britain's plan for a 'managed no deal' going ? Send letters out to businesses stating 'be prepared', but giving no indication what to be prepared for which has gone down like a fart in a spacesuit. Baden-Powell would be proud

Brexit: 'Horrified' firms warn time is running out
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46610792

96 days - Tick tock

 

[nicko31]

You are quoting EU measures as an example of a 'managed no deal'. All of which are to protect the EU

Meanwhile, how's Britain's plan for a 'managed no deal' going ? Send letters out to businesses stating 'be prepared', but giving no indication what to be prepared for which has gone down like a fart in a spacesuit. Baden-Powell would be proud

Brexit: 'Horrified' firms warn time is running out
https://interactive.news.sky.com/2017/brexit-countdown/

96 days - Tick tock

The government need to tell businesses what tariff will be applies if our tariff schedules are not approved at the point of a no deal Brexit

https://assets.publishing.service.g...no_deal_changes_at_border__Third_edition_.pdf

Below is for goods brought in outside the EU

20 countries are currently disputing the schedules, a lot of wishful thinking and no solutions.

But the lies from the Brexiteers continue...

 

[portslade seagull]

The government need to tell businesses what tariff will be applies if our tariff schedules are not approved at the point of a no deal Brexit

https://assets.publishing.service.g...no_deal_changes_at_border__Third_edition_.pdf

Below is for goods brought in outside the EU

20 countries are currently disputing the schedules, a lot of wishful thinking and no solutions.

But the lies from the Brexiteers continue...

What about your no flight scare stories. You forgot to mention the EU have said this is a no go and flights will be unaffected. Strange that !!!!!!!!

 

[nicko31]

What about your no flight scare stories. You forgot to mention the EU have said this is a no go and flights will be unaffected. Strange that !!!!!!!!

Trying to change the subject won't make it going away. Do some research on the WTO and come back to me...

 

[Two Professors]

Trying to change the subject won't make it going away. Do some research on the WTO and come back to me...

WTO,is that Watford Total Zero?If countries want to export to us,then they can,terms already in place.Or they can negotiate through the World Trade Organisation while using our existing terms.Leave worrying about trade to the people employed to do it by our taxes,sit down,give your head a wobble,and admit we are Leaving.You will then be able to have a Happy Christmas,without sleepless nights.

 

[portslade seagull]

Trying to change the subject won't make it going away. Do some research on the WTO and come back to me...

Just putting a more positive spin on things. Another thing you have overlooked no need to stock medical supplys as an agreement has also been made on that. No shortages there then.

 

[pastafarian]

You are quoting EU measures as an example of a 'managed no deal'. All of which are to protect the EU

Meanwhile, how's Britain's plan for a 'managed no deal' going ? Send letters out to businesses stating 'be prepared', but giving no indication what to be prepared for which has gone down like a fart in a spacesuit. Baden-Powell would be proud

Brexit: 'Horrified' firms warn time is running out
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46610792

96 days - Tick tock

Yeah ok, lets just go with whats in your head then, that in the event of a no deal scenario the sum total of our planning so far is that we sent out some letters to businesses saying “be prepared”.
Try and keep up.

Connecting Europe Facility energy funding if there's no Brexit deal
Delivering humanitarian aid programmes if there’s no Brexit deal
European Regional Development Funding if there’s no Brexit deal
European Social Fund (ESF) grants if there’s no Brexit deal
European Territorial Cooperation funding if there’s no Brexit deal
Funding for UK LIFE projects if there’s no Brexit deal
Horizon 2020 funding if there's no Brexit deal
The government’s guarantee for EU-funded programmes if there’s no Brexit deal
Funding for British Overseas Territories if there's no Brexit deal
Aviation safety if there’s no Brexit deal
Aviation security if there’s no Brexit deal
Driving in the EU if there's no Brexit deal
Flights to and from the UK if there’s no Brexit deal
Operating bus or coach services abroad if there’s no Brexit deal
Vehicle insurance if there’s no Brexit deal
Rail transport if there’s no Brexit deal
Meeting rail safety and standards if there's no Brexit deal
Farm payments if there’s no Brexit deal
Manufacturing and marketing fertilisers if there’s no Brexit deal
Receiving rural development funding if there’s no Brexit deal
Regulating pesticides if there’s no Brexit deal
Commercial fishing if there’s no Brexit deal
Plant variety rights and marketing of seed and propagating material if there’s no Brexit deal
Breeding animals if there's no Brexit deal
Handling civil legal cases that involve EU countries if there’s no Brexit deal
Buying and selling timber if there’s no Brexit deal
Classifying your goods in the UK Trade Tariff if there's no Brexit deal
Commercial road haulage in the EU if there’s no Brexit deal
Exporting animals and animal products if there’s no Brexit deal
Exporting controlled goods if there's no Brexit deal
Importing and exporting plants if there’s no Brexit deal
Importing animals and animal products if there’s no Brexit deal
Trade remedies if there's no Brexit deal
Trading with the EU if there's no Brexit deal
Exporting GM food and animal feed products if there’s no Brexit deal
Exporting objects of cultural interest if there’s no Brexit deal
Trading and moving endangered species protected by CITES if there’s no Brexit deal
Maintaining the continuity of waste shipments if there’s no Brexit deal
Existing free trade agreements if there's no Brexit deal
Importing high-risk food and animal feed if there’s no Brexit deal
Appointing nominated persons to your business if there’s no Brexit deal
Developing genetically modified organisms (GMOs) if there’s no Brexit deal
Labelling tobacco products and e-cigarettes if there’s no Brexit deal
Producing and labelling food if there's no Brexit deal
Producing and processing organic food if there's no Brexit deal
Protecting geographical food and drink names if there’s no Brexit deal
Regulating chemicals (REACH) if there’s no Brexit deal
Trading goods regulated under the ‘New Approach’ if there’s no Brexit deal
Trading under the mutual recognition principle if there’s no Brexit deal
Travelling with a European Firearms Pass if there’s no Brexit deal
Vehicle type approval if there’s no Brexit deal
Control on mercury if there's no Brexit deal
Control on persistent organic pollutants if there's no Brexit deal
Regulating biocidal products if there’s no Brexit deal
Classifying, labelling and packaging chemicals if there's no Brexit deal
Health marks on meat, fish and dairy products if there’s no Brexit deal
Export and import of hazardous chemicals if there's no Brexit deal
Accessing public sector contracts if there’s no Brexit deal
Broadcasting and video on demand if there’s no Brexit deal
Copyright if there’s no Brexit deal
Exhaustion of intellectual property rights if there’s no Brexit deal
Merger review and anti-competitive activity if there's no Brexit deal
Patents if there’s no Brexit deal
Trade marks and designs if there’s no Brexit deal
What telecoms businesses should do if there’s no Brexit deal
Accounting and audit if there’s no Brexit deal
Providing services including those of a qualified professional if there's no Brexit deal
Structuring your business if there’s no Brexit deal
Banking, insurance and other financial services if there’s no Brexit deal
VAT for businesses if there's no Brexit deal
Data protection if there’s no Brexit deal
Geo-blocking of online content if there’s no Brexit deal
Consumer rights if there's no Brexit deal
Industrial emissions standards (‘best available techniques’) if there’s no Brexit deal
Reporting CO2 emissions for new cars and vans if there’s no Brexit deal
Upholding environmental standards if there’s no Brexit deal
Using and trading in fluorinated gases and ozone depleting substances if there’s no Brexit deal
Meeting climate change requirements if there’s no Brexit deal
Civil nuclear regulation if there’s no Brexit deal
Generating low-carbon electricity if there’s no Brexit deal
Nuclear research if there’s no Brexit deal
Running an oil or gas business if there’s no Brexit deal
Trading gas with the EU if there's no Brexit deal
Trading electricity if there’s no Brexit deal
Batch testing medicines if there's no Brexit deal
Ensuring blood and blood products are safe if there’s no Brexit deal
How medicines, medical devices and clinical trials would be regulated if there’s no Brexit deal
Quality and safety of organs, tissues and cells if there’s no Brexit deal
Submitting regulatory information on medical products if there’s no Brexit deal
Trading in drug precursors if there’s no Brexit deal
Accessing animal medicine IT systems if there's no Brexit deal
Registration of veterinary medicines if there’s no Brexit deal
Regulation of veterinary medicines if there’s no Brexit deal
Sanctions policy if there's no Brexit deal
Satellites and space programmes if there’s no Brexit deal
Getting an exemption from maritime security notifications if there’s no Brexit deal
Recognition of seafarer certificates of competency if there’s no Brexit deal
State aid if there's no Brexit deal
Erasmus+ in the UK if there's no Brexit deal
Mobile roaming if there’s no Brexit deal
Taking your pet abroad if there's no Brexit deal
Travelling in the Common Travel Area if there’s no Brexit deal
Travelling to the EU with a UK passport if there’s no Brexit deal
Taking horses abroad if there’s no Brexit deal
Workplace rights if there’s no Brexit deal
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/how-to-prepare-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal

 

[fanseagull]

Just putting a more positive spin on things. Another thing you have overlooked no need to stock medical supplys as an agreement has also been made on that. No shortages there then.

Thanks for reassurance; you are obviously 'in the know' and we can totally rely on your sources...... or is that just more positive spin........

 

[pastafarian]

Do some research on the WTO and come back to me...

All I hear is some extremist remoaners stating we cant trade with the rest of the world because objections have been raised on our proposed schedules. I don’t hear the same people stating the EU cant trade with the rest of the world because objections have also being raised on their post brexit schedules too…….strange that.
Ive heard WTO Director General Roberto Azevedo and other WTO officials state that trade continues as normal, it wont stop and there will be no loss of market share whilst Article XXVIII negotiations are in progress even though schedules are uncertified.
What is it you think is going to happen because of these objections?

 

[fanseagull]

Yeah ok, lets just go with whats in your head then, that in the event of a no deal scenario the sum total of our planning so far is that we sent out some letters to businesses saying “be prepared”.
Try and keep up.

Connecting Europe Facility energy funding if there's no Brexit deal
Delivering humanitarian aid programmes if there’s no Brexit deal
European Regional Development Funding if there’s no Brexit deal
European Social Fund (ESF) grants if there’s no Brexit deal
European Territorial Cooperation funding if there’s no Brexit deal
Funding for UK LIFE projects if there’s no Brexit deal
Horizon 2020 funding if there's no Brexit deal
The government’s guarantee for EU-funded programmes if there’s no Brexit deal
Funding for British Overseas Territories if there's no Brexit deal
Aviation safety if there’s no Brexit deal
Aviation security if there’s no Brexit deal
Driving in the EU if there's no Brexit deal
Flights to and from the UK if there’s no Brexit deal
Operating bus or coach services abroad if there’s no Brexit deal
Vehicle insurance if there’s no Brexit deal
Rail transport if there’s no Brexit deal
Meeting rail safety and standards if there's no Brexit deal
Farm payments if there’s no Brexit deal
Manufacturing and marketing fertilisers if there’s no Brexit deal
Receiving rural development funding if there’s no Brexit deal
Regulating pesticides if there’s no Brexit deal
Commercial fishing if there’s no Brexit deal
Plant variety rights and marketing of seed and propagating material if there’s no Brexit deal
Breeding animals if there's no Brexit deal
Handling civil legal cases that involve EU countries if there’s no Brexit deal
Buying and selling timber if there’s no Brexit deal
Classifying your goods in the UK Trade Tariff if there's no Brexit deal
Commercial road haulage in the EU if there’s no Brexit deal
Exporting animals and animal products if there’s no Brexit deal
Exporting controlled goods if there's no Brexit deal
Importing and exporting plants if there’s no Brexit deal
Importing animals and animal products if there’s no Brexit deal
Trade remedies if there's no Brexit deal
Trading with the EU if there's no Brexit deal
Exporting GM food and animal feed products if there’s no Brexit deal
Exporting objects of cultural interest if there’s no Brexit deal
Trading and moving endangered species protected by CITES if there’s no Brexit deal
Maintaining the continuity of waste shipments if there’s no Brexit deal
Existing free trade agreements if there's no Brexit deal
Importing high-risk food and animal feed if there’s no Brexit deal
Appointing nominated persons to your business if there’s no Brexit deal
Developing genetically modified organisms (GMOs) if there’s no Brexit deal
Labelling tobacco products and e-cigarettes if there’s no Brexit deal
Producing and labelling food if there's no Brexit deal
Producing and processing organic food if there's no Brexit deal
Protecting geographical food and drink names if there’s no Brexit deal
Regulating chemicals (REACH) if there’s no Brexit deal
Trading goods regulated under the ‘New Approach’ if there’s no Brexit deal
Trading under the mutual recognition principle if there’s no Brexit deal
Travelling with a European Firearms Pass if there’s no Brexit deal
Vehicle type approval if there’s no Brexit deal
Control on mercury if there's no Brexit deal
Control on persistent organic pollutants if there's no Brexit deal
Regulating biocidal products if there’s no Brexit deal
Classifying, labelling and packaging chemicals if there's no Brexit deal
Health marks on meat, fish and dairy products if there’s no Brexit deal
Export and import of hazardous chemicals if there's no Brexit deal
Accessing public sector contracts if there’s no Brexit deal
Broadcasting and video on demand if there’s no Brexit deal
Copyright if there’s no Brexit deal
Exhaustion of intellectual property rights if there’s no Brexit deal
Merger review and anti-competitive activity if there's no Brexit deal
Patents if there’s no Brexit deal
Trade marks and designs if there’s no Brexit deal
What telecoms businesses should do if there’s no Brexit deal
Accounting and audit if there’s no Brexit deal
Providing services including those of a qualified professional if there's no Brexit deal
Structuring your business if there’s no Brexit deal
Banking, insurance and other financial services if there’s no Brexit deal
VAT for businesses if there's no Brexit deal
Data protection if there’s no Brexit deal
Geo-blocking of online content if there’s no Brexit deal
Consumer rights if there's no Brexit deal
Industrial emissions standards (‘best available techniques’) if there’s no Brexit deal
Reporting CO2 emissions for new cars and vans if there’s no Brexit deal
Upholding environmental standards if there’s no Brexit deal
Using and trading in fluorinated gases and ozone depleting substances if there’s no Brexit deal
Meeting climate change requirements if there’s no Brexit deal
Civil nuclear regulation if there’s no Brexit deal
Generating low-carbon electricity if there’s no Brexit deal
Nuclear research if there’s no Brexit deal
Running an oil or gas business if there’s no Brexit deal
Trading gas with the EU if there's no Brexit deal
Trading electricity if there’s no Brexit deal
Batch testing medicines if there's no Brexit deal
Ensuring blood and blood products are safe if there’s no Brexit deal
How medicines, medical devices and clinical trials would be regulated if there’s no Brexit deal
Quality and safety of organs, tissues and cells if there’s no Brexit deal
Submitting regulatory information on medical products if there’s no Brexit deal
Trading in drug precursors if there’s no Brexit deal
Accessing animal medicine IT systems if there's no Brexit deal
Registration of veterinary medicines if there’s no Brexit deal
Regulation of veterinary medicines if there’s no Brexit deal
Sanctions policy if there's no Brexit deal
Satellites and space programmes if there’s no Brexit deal
Getting an exemption from maritime security notifications if there’s no Brexit deal
Recognition of seafarer certificates of competency if there’s no Brexit deal
State aid if there's no Brexit deal
Erasmus+ in the UK if there's no Brexit deal
Mobile roaming if there’s no Brexit deal
Taking your pet abroad if there's no Brexit deal
Travelling in the Common Travel Area if there’s no Brexit deal
Travelling to the EU with a UK passport if there’s no Brexit deal
Taking horses abroad if there’s no Brexit deal
Workplace rights if there’s no Brexit deal
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/how-to-prepare-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal

Wow.... that's a lot of letters.
Any replies yet?

 

[Baldseagull]

That is what the vote on how should we leave( considering we have already decided to leave) offers.
Leave with a negotiated withdrawal agreement or Leave with no negotiated withdrawal agreement.
Surely you are not going to suggest Remain should be an option on a vote asking to decide how we should Leave .........oh wait........you are........here, have a hat.

I suggest a vote that does not include an option to remain is an affront to democracy.

I think I have an analogy you may appreciate, given your bookmarks. Imagine I asked if you would like to watch some porn on the internet, or just carry on being a prick on NSC, you of course say "PORN! yes, I love it, all kinds including Nasty and really Nasty", then I offer you a choice of lots of Oral or a load of Anal, but it's all Gay porn. Which would you choose to be beating off to?
Of course there will be many that always envisaged it would be Gay porn and are very happy, and some who are not fussed much about gender, but others, maybe even a massive porn fan like yourself, would think they had been steered down a path they never would have chosen if they had had more information, find it unfair that they were misled, and demand to be given the option to just carry on being a WUM on NSC instead.
I understand you may not respond immediately as you have other things to be doing on the internet, and may have RSI in the wrist, and I have better things to do than hang around for a response from a like you, so in case I don't get the chance to say it you again, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and Mrs. Palm and her five daughters