[Politics] Brexit

[Two Professors]

That states why you think he was given the job and where you think he is now (he's loathed internally in the party, more popular with the activists). But the point was Foreign Secretary requires many of the same skills as a PM or a Brexit negotiator. Diplomacy, negotiation, pragmatism over populism. If Boris was, by your own admission, an unsuitable FS then he'd be even worse as leader or in the Brexit negotiations.

As a negotiator,I think he would be utterly useless,he's not any sort of diplomat.But he is a very charismatic man,and would have the guts to tell Barnier where to shove his sneers,and give Selmayr a punch in the gob!

 

[Guinness Boy]

As a negotiator,I think he would be utterly useless,he's not any sort of diplomat.But he is a very charismatic man,and would have the guts to tell Barnier where to shove his sneers,and give Selmayr a punch in the gob!

Thank God for having that as a back up plan. There was me thinking we were totally screwed.

 

[Simster]

It's becoming obvious that any kind of negotiated deal will be kicked out by either Barnier or Rees Mogg's swivel eyed loonies leaving the only choice to crash out with no deal or revoke Article 50. Looks like a General Election needs to be called to get out of this mess and see what gets a mandate

I might agree if Corbyn wasn't sitting on the fence and presiding over an imploding party himself. I can't recall an opposition in such shambles. They should be 20 points ahead by now.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

It's becoming obvious that any kind of negotiated deal will be kicked out by either Barnier or Rees Mogg's swivel eyed loonies leaving the only choice to crash out with no deal or revoke Article 50. Looks like a General Election needs to be called to get out of this mess and see what gets a mandate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIy1rOb8EYU
regards
DR

 

[GT49er]

As you well know I voted for BREXIT and I have been dressing like that for years so pick another SLUR and SMEAR

****, ****, pants on fire to that!

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I might agree if Corbyn wasn't sitting on the fence and presiding over an imploding party himself. I can't recall an opposition in such shambles. They should be 20 points ahead by now.

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT WITH COMMIES AND SWP RUNNING THE SHOW
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Michel Barnier strongly opposed to UK Brexit plan.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45389610

Far more people in this country opposed to the EU
regards
DR

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Please just give us a second referendum so that we can free ourselves from this nonsense, I can't see any other way out right now

A second referendum wouldn't solve anything. It would disenfranchise millions of leave voters - me being one of them - if it meant we didn't leave. If it re-enforced the original result it would send remainers into heart attack mode.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

A second referendum wouldn't solve anything. It would disenfranchise millions of leave voters - me being one of them - if it meant we didn't leave. If it re-enforced the original result it would send remainers into heart attack mode.

agreed, if the politicians acted on behalf of the electorate instead of themselves it might be a bit more straight forward "leave means leave "
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://www.leavemeansleave.eu/our-campaign/
regards
DR

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

A second referendum wouldn't solve anything. It would disenfranchise millions of leave voters - me being one of them - if it meant we didn't leave. If it re-enforced the original result it would send remainers into heart attack mode.

We have to solve this somehow, though, we can agree on that? And we seem so far away from a solution under the present paradigm I doubt we will ever get one that doesn't leave most people, leavers and remainers alike, disenfranchised

The only way to overturn the will of the people is for the people to change their mind, and the only way for that to be expressed is to have a second referendum. If leave still wins, fine, and indeed, better, because now the argument that 'people didn't know what they were voting for' will be well and truly struck down.

But if the people have changed their mind, no-one should feel disenfranchised by that either, because the people will have spoken and democracy will continue to prevail.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

we have to solve this somehow, though, we can agree on that? And we seem so far away from a solution under the present paradigm i doubt we will ever get one that doesn't leave most people, leavers and remainers alike, disenfranchised

the only way to overturn the will of the people is for the people to change their mind, and the only way for that to be expressed is to have a second referendum. If leave still wins, fine, and indeed, better, because now the argument that 'people didn't know what they were voting for' will be well and truly struck down.

But if the people have changed their mind, no-one should feel disenfranchised by that either, because the people will have spoken and democracy will continue to prevail.

best of three , we're on our way
regards
DR

 

[Westdene Seagull]

We have to solve this somehow, though, we can agree on that? And we seem so far away from a solution under the present paradigm I doubt we will ever get one that doesn't leave most people, leavers and remainers alike, disenfranchised

The only way to overturn the will of the people is for the people to change their mind, and the only way for that to be expressed is to have a second referendum. If leave still wins, fine, and indeed, better, because now the argument that 'people didn't know what they were voting for' will be well and truly struck down.

But if the people have changed their mind, no-one should feel disenfranchised by that either, because the people will have spoken and democracy will continue to prevail.

Agreed - something needs to be done but a referendum is absolutely not the right way to go.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Agreed - something needs to be done but a referendum is absolutely not the right way to go.

scared of the result?

How then? How are this bunch of self-serving politicians going to square this circle? More importantly, how can they pull us back from the brink of doing something stupid?

Are you really in for a 'no-deal' brexit?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Agreed - something needs to be done but a referendum is absolutely not the right way to go.

Checking the mood of the nation isn’t the right way to go? Astonishing.

 

[larus]

We have to solve this somehow, though, we can agree on that? And we seem so far away from a solution under the present paradigm I doubt we will ever get one that doesn't leave most people, leavers and remainers alike, disenfranchised

The only way to overturn the will of the people is for the people to change their mind, and the only way for that to be expressed is to have a second referendum. If leave still wins, fine, and indeed, better, because now the argument that 'people didn't know what they were voting for' will be well and truly struck down.

But if the people have changed their mind, no-one should feel disenfranchised by that either, because the people will have spoken and democracy will continue to prevail.

Let’s assume we had another referendum and we voted Remain and then called the process off (assuming we were allowed to stay in on our original terms which is questionable).

Then, in 18 months time opinion polls pointed to a majority who wanted to now leave. Should we have another referendum then and start the process again?

I think we all know what the remainers would say to that.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

scared of the result?

How then? How are this bunch of self-serving politicians going to square this circle? More importantly, how can they pull us back from the brink of doing something stupid?

Are you really in for a 'no-deal' brexit?

The country voted for a different path. We should leave the EU, and if in 10-15 years time people feel there has be no benefit to leaving the EU then we can have a second referendum then.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Checking the mood of the nation isn’t the right way to go? Astonishing.

I'm pretty sure you have in the past condemned the original referendum - now you want another one ?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Agreed - something needs to be done but a referendum is absolutely not the right way to go.

So what do you think is the right way to go ?

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

The country voted for a different path. We should leave the EU, and if in 10-15 years time people feel there has be no benefit to leaving the EU then we can have a second referendum then.

The country did indeed vote for a different path. We're on that path. Its ****ing horrendous. I think we should give people a chance to say "yep, that was a complete cluster****, lets reset".

and hey, if the people vote once more to Leave, I can end my belief that people didn't know what they voted for and be a lot happier with the democratic process. Its win-win really.