[Politics] Brexit

[ManOfSussex]

Sign of desperation playing the man not the ball and it's getting rather tedious that you keep doing it.

More a sign of inebriation. I can only apologise for being very, very drunk.

Arguably a bit of a low blow as well.
But no doubt the class warrior Momentum lover sees it as the new friendlier face of politics that Jeremy was promoting.And Brexit related as well in his special hate filled warped version of not understanding people voted to Leave from all political persuasions, not just Tories.

I'm not a Momentum lover. Just because I am knocking about with a girl who's in Momentum, I'm afraid I'm far too much of a cold-hearted ******d to be in love, so we'll nip that vicious rumour in the bud right now. I can only judge the others in Momentum based on those I've met and they're a perfectly nice lot though. How many have you met or know personally?

Class warrior accusation though - Guilty and proud. Funny how it's always little posh boys like you who mention it though. I'm afraid as the alcoholic carnage that is Christmas and New Year takes hold, I've got a works p*ss up in London tomorrow late afternoon/evening.................A busy Hastings train back on 'Mad Friday' night, all those posh commuters going back to places like Sevenoaks and Wadhurst, and me with my reputation....................... Either way I'll certainly be needing my Saturday 3pm Kick Off Saturday morning fry-up though, before doing it all again.

Ah "whatever", the usual clamp school of response when you realise you have been a bit dim.

View on Green? Not really, well not with regards to Brexit anyway.
After an inquiry he was found to have made inaccurate and misleading statements over what he knew about claims pornography was found on his office computer in 2008. This broke the ministerial code and because of it he has been asked to resign.
If you break the code you should resign, I agree with him having to go.

I am more interested in your desperation to link his actions as Brexit related on the Brexit thread, surely there are numerous treads you could mention your interest of Mr Green on, wasn’t there a thread on him? You are coming across as rather desperate and purely focused on your hatred of the tories to the detriment of reasoned argument of Leaving the EU………is your position drink related again?

As an aside you do know labelling someone Conservative and Unionist isnt an insult dont you? You use it in a manner as if it is. You can just say Tory, works exactly the same.

Was my position drink related last night? I've really no idea I'm afraid - I can't remember, so I think it's safe to assume it was. Thanks for taking the time and trouble to respond to it all though at 0621 in the morning - you really shouldn't have.

Compliments of the season though.

 

[vegster]

I think it’s all been covered in this thread already. I get that many remainers can only see a crushed UK at the end of this process, and some even appear to look forward to gloating about it. However I take the view that our complete collapse isn’t really in the interests of the EU so we are in a negotiation by both sides to try and get the best outcome that allows both sides to thrive.

I'm not gloating, I feel let down and despair about the future. Over then last 10 years my wages have dropped in real terms like many others while my working conditions have worsened. As I approach what should be my last 10 working years before me all I see is the worsening of all the things we once held dear as a nation. Just as I approach the time when I will increasingly need care from the NHS it starts to crumble, at a time when I should be putting aside money for my retirement I find there is little spare. I am in fact an old dog and any trick now would have to be a new one.

Just as it seemed we were beginning to turn the corner after ten years of cuts and stagnation it looked like things were going to get a little better globally and nationally, along came the Brexit vote. All I can see is that this has pushed us backwards again another 5 years at least. We are cutting our own throats by making it harder to trade with our biggest trading partners and probably going to erode our hard fought working rights.

As another small chipping away of things you take for granted, Mrs V had her last day at school yesterday before the Christmas break( although she has gone in today to prep the classroom for next term ) and was told the water cooler in the staff room has to go in order to save money and on the train home, she had a carrier bag of presents and cards from her children stolen. Merry Christmas.

 

[Blue3]

Come on leavers get a grip of reality we are leaving we all understand we are leaving but surely even you must agree what a shambolic mess this Government has and continues to make of running the Country and Brexit, why Labour are not twenty points ahead in the polls I cannot understand is it pollsters are asking the wrong demographic groups who knows but it's a mess we have condemned the next two generations to the scrap heap.
The country is split along age, education, deprivation and wealth lines I see no attempt to try and heal these divisions and instead see the further rise of extremist factions so my message during this festive season is God save us all

 

[ManOfSussex]

I'm not gloating, I feel let down and despair about the future. Over then last 10 years my wages have dropped in real terms like many others while my working conditions have worsened. As I approach what should be my last 10 working years before me all I see is the worsening of all the things we once held dear as a nation. Just as I approach the time when I will increasingly need care from the NHS it starts to crumble, at a time when I should be putting aside money for my retirement I find there is little spare. I am in fact an old dog and any trick now would have to be a new one.

Just as it seemed we were beginning to turn the corner after ten years of cuts and stagnation it looked like things were going to get a little better globally and nationally, along came the Brexit vote. All I can see is that this has pushed us backwards again another 5 years at least. We are cutting our own throats by making it harder to trade with our biggest trading partners and probably going to erode our hard fought working rights.

As another small chipping away of things you take for granted, Mrs V had her last day at school yesterday before the Christmas break( although she has gone in today to prep the classroom for next term ) and was told the water cooler in the staff room has to go in order to save money and on the train home, she had a carrier bag of presents and cards from her children stolen. Merry Christmas.

I despair about the future too. I shudder to think what this country will be like in a few years time - Stagnated wages, inflation rising, child poverty rising, The NHS creaking at the seams, Universal Credit, reduction in ESA, sanctions to claimants, PIP and ESA claimants being found 'fit' to work, homelessness rising, rough sleeping rising - In Hastings alone on any given night rough sleepers are up to at least 40 now from about a dozen a couple of years back.

Just where I am the 'Local Government Financial Settlement' the other day reveals a £80,000 reduction on top of the already known about £1.5m+ reduction over the next 4 years on the Revenue Support Grant.

Never mind, we've got our country back though.

 

[vegster]

I despair about the future too. I shudder to think what this country will be like in a few years time - Stagnated wages, inflation rising, child poverty rising, The NHS creaking at the seams, Universal Credit, reduction in ESA, sanctions to claimants, PIP and ESA claimants being found 'fit' to work, homelessness rising, rough sleeping rising - In Hastings alone on any given night rough sleepers are up to at least 40 now from about a dozen a couple of years back.

Just where I am the 'Local Government Financial Settlement' the other day reveals a £80,000 reduction on top of the already known about £1.5m+ reduction over the next 4 years on the Revenue Support Grant.

Never mind, we've got our country back though.

Indeed, rough sleeping is on the rise everywhere it seems, it's standard practice to see people asleep in doorways nowadays when it was quite a rare occurrence in my youth. Its a downward spiral of despair, people can't get jobs because they have no address and even if they get a job they could never afford a mortgage so are trapped in poor quality rented accommodation. Currently we are either the 5th or 6th biggest economy in the World but the difference between the haves and have-nots grows ever wider, when the boss of Persimmon is set to receive a £100 Million bonus and you see such a huge increase in homelessness and the use of food banks, surely society is broken.

 

[GT49er]

Its a downward spiral of despair, people can't get jobs because they have no address and even if they get a job they could never afford a mortgage so are trapped in poor quality rented accommodation. Currently we are either the 5th or 6th biggest economy in the World but the difference between the haves and have-nots grows ever wider, when the boss of Persimmon is set to receive a £100 Million bonus and you see such a huge increase in homelessness and the use of food banks, surely society is broken.

All of which happened while we were in the EU, and was getting worse. The rich getting richer and the wealth gap between rich and poor getting bigger was spiralling out of control on the EU watch, and was undoubtedly one of the reasons for the protest element of the leave vote. It is not something that just suddenly started after June 2016 (and it hasn't just suddenly escalated either).

 

[vegster]

All of which happened while we were in the EU, and was getting worse. The rich getting richer and the wealth gap between rich and poor getting bigger was spiralling out of control on the EU watch, and was undoubtedly one of the reasons for the protest element of the leave vote. It is not something that just suddenly started after June 2016 (and it hasn't just suddenly escalated either).

I agree, but Brexit has further muddied the waters and compounded it.

 

[Two Professors]

Not worth reading the last week's worth I suppose!I have arrived back to find I can still land at UK airports,customs and immigration is still a complete shambles,but at least the country hasn't sunk altogether.It's not that cold,either.So Merry Winterval to all,and seconds out,round two,in the New Year.

 

[Dorset Seagull]

I agree, but Brexit has further muddied the waters and compounded it.

At least I think both Remainers and Leavers can agree with much of what you have said regarding the current state of the country and also that Brexit hasn't made it any easier in the short term. It just seems that we disagree on whether remaining in the EU over the longer term will help or hinder the situation.Guess we will find out one day.

 

[The Upper Library]

At least I think both Remainers and Leavers can agree with much of what you have said regarding the current state of the country and also that Brexit hasn't made it any easier in the short term. It just seems that we disagree on whether remaining in the EU over the longer term will help or hinder the situation.Guess we will find out one day.

Totally agree.

Only history will decide if it was a good decision- and even then it will depend upon who's summary of it all you decide to read.




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[Ernest]

 

[Lincoln Imp]

yes it did, i don't remember being given an option about joining the EU
regards
DR

It is difficult to work out what your drivel means. The first referendum didn't take us unto the EU (as it is now). The fact you insist it did says it all really.

 

[nicko31]

Another desperate attempt to link Brexit with kiddy-fiddling. Such a stupid argument; it's just as relevant to say that all the kiddy-fiddling in the last umpteen years, Saville, Harris et al, was all done while we were in the EU. Surely a reason to leave?

No, of course it isn't, ant more than a government minister with kiddy-porn on is computer has any relevance to Brexit.

Aside of Tories being in a mess, are you sure about this accusation above?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Which is a fudge that just kicks the can down the road, but there's a major road block ahead. Just you wait...

Brexit is consuming everything, nothing else it getting down, it is paralysis. At least we haven't gone like Poland, if it wasn't for the likes of Gina Miller that's where we'd be heading

Meanwhile, the 3rd major minister in a matter of weeks bites the dust. What a mess...

Gina Miller, ANOTHER TIME WASTER
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

It is difficult to work out what your drivel means. The first referendum didn't take us unto the EU (as it is now). The fact you insist it did says it all really.

says what , THAT WE'RE LEAVING THE EU after being hoodwinked into joining it in the first place , dry your eyes
regards
DR

 

[BigGully]

It is difficult to work out what your drivel means. The first referendum didn't take us unto the EU (as it is now). The fact you insist it did says it all really.

The EU today isnt the EU of tomorrow either, at what point did you think we must increase membership to include Romania, Bulgaria,Slovenia, Estonia etc. probably never, sometimes Europhiles are no more than nodding dogs with little clue of future direction, yet you seem totally spooked of the UK forging its own direction.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

After all the dust has settled and the final deal decided that everyone can see and understand then another referendum must be given to see if the people agree with it, only at the end will we be able to see what we have got and do we still want to go ahead with it. It would be stupid to leave if the deal is poor but if we get what we want and some trade deals with other countries on the table I may even change my mind and vote to leave but as it stands to leave would be suicide.
That is democracy.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The EU today isnt the EU of tomorrow either, at what point did you think we must increase membership to include Romania, Bulgaria,Slovenia, Estonia etc. probably never, sometimes Europhiles are no more than nodding dogs with little clue of future direction, yet you seem totally spooked of the UK forging its own direction.

Any country wanting to join the EU has to be accepted by every country. Each one has a veto and it only takes one veto to prevent it. Therefore GB must have agreed for the Baltic countries to be part of it.
Why do you think Russia is so against the EU? Estonia, Latvia etc feel safer with the EU, than they do with Putin exercising his muscles in Ukraine.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

says what , THAT WE'RE LEAVING THE EU after being hoodwinked into joining it in the first place , dry your eyes
regards
DR

Hoodwinked? You didn't understand what you were voting for?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

After all the dust has settled and the final deal decided that everyone can see and understand then another referendum must be given to see if the people agree with it, only at the end will we be able to see what we have got and do we still want to go ahead with it. It would be stupid to leave if the deal is poor but if we get what we want and some trade deals with other countries on the table I may even change my mind and vote to leave but as it stands to leave would be suicide.
That is democracy.

no it's not, how do you judge good or poor in the long term,, no the vote was leave and that's how it's going to be, you need to face up to reality sharpish .
regards
DR