[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

On the contrary I know exactly what I voted for

In that case its not a case of understanding, its a case of judgement.

If all the leavers had understood what they were voting for we wouldn't be in the state of paralysis we are in now. Unfortunately the wall of right wing propaganda and xenophobia won out.

 

[Baldseagull]

On the contrary I know exactly what I voted for

Please tell what it is that Brexit has to deliver, for it to be what you voted for.

 

[Baldseagull]

I agree with you all a bit pointless, the wording was changed from the original using amendments 381 and 399(?) to placate the Tory rebels and avoid a defeat to ensure this clause stays in and the bill continues on its course. As I said a few weeks ago it doesn’t really add much, the original wording was poor and seems more symbolic than anything. Thought I would mention it anyway as a few crackers remainers got their knickers in a right twist about its addition originally(almost as if they had to wake up to the reality that we are leaving.), at least they wont be still furious at its addition now given the wording. They can now stupidly cling on to false hope Brexit wont happen.

Still, a good night for the Brexit process through parliamentary democracy, a concrete vote we will not be staying in The Customs Union, perhaps finally people will stop the pretence of staying in it, and what can only be described as a destruction of the second referendumers position again. I don’t expect for one second though this tiny minority will give up calling for it, they have after all nothing left in the tank to stop Brexit happening……perhaps dave clamp Lincoln berty and others will now place their focus on more realistic arguments though.

Awaits usual bizarre referencing from clamp about what time people post on this thread.

It is not a tiny minority that would like a say on the final deal.

 

[pastafarian]

In that case its not a case of understanding, its a case of judgement.

If all the leavers had understood what they were voting for we wouldn't be in the state of paralysis we are in now. Unfortunately the wall of right wing propaganda and xenophobia won out.

We are not in a state of paralysis, legislation is progressing through parliament and negotiations are ongoing to Leave the EU.
Dickhead comments about right wing propaganda when Brexit had support across all political spectrums and shouts of xenophobia show up your frustration, lack of understanding and immaturity on the subject.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

In that case its not a case of understanding, its a case of judgement.

If all the leavers had understood what they were voting for we wouldn't be in the state of paralysis we are in now. Unfortunately the wall of right wing propaganda and xenophobia won out.

Paralysis suggests things haven't moved since the referendum - even the EU disagree with you on that. Otherwise they wouldn't have agreed to move on to the second stage.

 

[pastafarian]

It is not a tiny minority that would like a say on the final deal.

Its a tiny minority of MP`s that think the public should have a say via a second referendum on the final deal.
Thats all that matters currently with parliamentary democracy

Want to change that? Get yourself a Farage and steal votes, and scare the crap out of the status quo

 

[nicko31]

Paralysis suggests things haven't moved since the referendum - even the EU disagree with you on that. Otherwise they wouldn't have agreed to move on to the second stage.

Which is a fudge that just kicks the can down the road, but there's a major road block ahead. Just you wait...

Brexit is consuming everything, nothing else it getting down, it is paralysis. At least we haven't gone like Poland, if it wasn't for the likes of Gina Miller that's where we'd be heading

Meanwhile, the 3rd major minister in a matter of weeks bites the dust. What a mess...

 

[Baldseagull]

Its a tiny minority of MP`s that think the public should have a say via a second referendum on the final deal.
Thats all that matters currently with parliamentary democracy

Want to change that? Get yourself a Farage and steal votes, and scare the crap out of the status quo

Not so sure about that either, I know that the voting on the amendments might suggest that, but the numbers for and against suggest to me a whipped Tory vote for and a whipped Labour vote to abstain.

 

[Dorset Seagull]

Please tell what it is that Brexit has to deliver, for it to be what you voted for.

Check back in a few years and you will see

 

[pastafarian]

Which is a fudge that just kicks the can down the road, but there's a major road block ahead. Just you wait...

Brexit is consuming everything, nothing else it getting down, it is paralysis. At least we haven't gone like Poland, if it wasn't for the likes of Gina Miller that's where we'd be heading

Meanwhile, the 3rd major minister in a matter of weeks bites the dust. What a mess...

You are clearly one of these people that only ever watches PMQs and base your judgement on nothing being done except Brexit on the questions in that session.
I suggest you slap on the Parliament Channel for a days viewing and realise all sorts of bills and debates on various subjects and legislation take place and are happening in real life, nothing at all resembling your version of events which you no doubt read somewhere and believed without question

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Which is a fudge that just kicks the can down the road, but there's a major road block ahead. Just you wait...

You maybe right but you said we were in paralysis .... we're not .... we've moved forwards.

Brexit is consuming everything, nothing else it getting down, it is paralysis.

What a load of bollocks - Parliament has discussed over 200 non-EU bills in the last six months ( see below ). Paralysis my arse !

Sanctions and Anti-Money Laundering Bill [HL]
Registration of Marriage Bill [HL]
Pension Benefits (Ill Health) Bill
Open Skies Agreement (Membership) Bill [HL]
Laser Misuse (Vehicles) Bill [HL]
Finance (No.2) Bill
Emergency Response Drivers (Protections) Bill
Conscientious Objection (Medical Activities) Bill [HL]
Access to Radiotherapy Bill
University of London Bill [HL]
Richmond Burgage Pastures Bill [HL]
City of London Corporation (Open Spaces) Bill
Trade Bill
Telecommunications Infrastructure (Relief from Non-Domestic Rates) Bill
Space Industry Bill [HL]
Smart Meters Bill
Refugees (Family Reunion) Bill [HL]
Nuclear Safeguards Bill
Local Government Elections (Referendum) Bill [HL]
Immigration Control (Gross Human Rights Abuses) Bill [HL]
High Speed Rail (West Midlands - Crewe) Bill
Financial Guidance and Claims Bill [HL]
Automated and Electric Vehicles Bill
Armed Forces (Flexible Working) Bill [HL]
Short and Holiday-Let Accommodation (Notification of Local Authorities) Bill
Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Bill
Food Insecurity Bill
Data Protection Bill [HL]
Local Authorities (Removal of Council Tax Restrictions) Bill
Courts (Abuse of Process) Bill
Terms of Withdrawal from EU (Referendum) Bill
Sanctions (Human Rights Abuse and Corruption) Bill
Tyres (Buses and Coaches) Bill
Service Animals (Offences) Bill
Registration of Marriage (No. 2) Bill
Clean Air Bill
Voter Registration (No. 2) Bill
Parental Bereavement (Leave and Pay) Bill
Automatic Electoral Registration (No. 2) Bill
Representation of the People (Young People's Enfranchisement and Education) Bill
Prisons (Interference with Wireless Telegraphy) Bill
Principal Local Authorities (Grounds for Abolition) Bill
Parliamentary Constituencies (Amendment) Bill
Judicial Appointments and Retirements (Age Limits) Bill
Health and Social Care (National Data Guardian) Bill
Coastal Path (Definition) Bill
Genocide Determination (No. 2) Bill
Finance (No.2) Act 2017
Child Maintenance (Assessment of Parents' Income) Bill
Universal Credit (Application, Advice and Assistance) Bill
Home Education (Duty of Local Authorities) Bill [HL]
Equality Act 2010 (Amendment) (Disabled Access) Bill [HL]
Creditworthiness Assessment Bill [HL]
Automatic Travel Compensation Bill
New Southgate Cemetery Act 2017
Northern Ireland Budget Act 2017
Air Travel Organisers' Licensing Act 2017
Mental Health Units (Use of Force) Bill
Assaults on Emergency Workers (Offences) Bill
Hospital Car Parking Charges (Abolition) Bill
Leasehold Reform Bill
Middle Level Bill
Armed Forces (Statute of Limitations) Bill
Affordable Home Ownership Bill
Unpaid Work Experience (Prohibition) Bill [HL]
Democratic Political Activity (Funding and Expenditure) Bill [HL]
Asset Freezing (Compensation) Bill [HL]
Live Animal Exports (Prohibition) Bill
Workers (Definition and Rights) Bill
Sublet Property (Offences) Bill
Student Loans (Debt Discharge) Bill
Stamp Duty Bill
Speed Limits (England) Bill
Public Sector Exit Payments (Limitation) Bill
Mobile Homes and Park Homes Bill
Manufactured Goods (Trade) Bill
Local Audit (Public Access to Documents) Bill
Fruit and Vegetables (Classification) Bill
Fishing (Access to Territorial Waters) Bill
Electronic Cigarettes (Regulation) Bill
Electoral Commission (Duties) Bill
Domestic Energy (Value Added Tax) Bill
Criminal Fraud (Private Prosecutions) Bill
Armed Forces (Volunteer Reserve) Bill
Channel 4 (Relocation) Bill
Business of the House Commission Bill
Fetal Dopplers (Regulation) Bill
Legalisation of Cannabis (Medicinal Purposes) Bill
Green Belt (Protection) Bill
House of Lords (Exclusion of Hereditary Peers) Bill
Carbon Monoxide (Detection and Safety) Bill
Modern Slavery (Victim Support) Bill [HL]
House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) (Abolition of By-Elections) Bill [HL]
Age of Criminal Responsibility Bill [HL]
Pensions (Review of Women's Arrangements) (No. 2) Bill
Local Authorities (Borrowing and Investment) Bill
International Payments (Audit) Bill
Working Time (Regulations) Bill
Voter Registration Bill
Value Added Tax Bill
Unpaid Trial Work Periods (Prohibition) Bill
Tax Rates and Duties (Review) Bill
Student Loans (Debt Interest) Bill
Stalking Protection Bill
Schools Bill
School Holidays (Meals and Activities) Bill
Representation of the People (Young People's Enfranchisement) Bill
Public Services (Availability) Bill
Public Service Broadcasters (Privatisation) Bill
Prime Minister (Temporary Replacement) Bill
Prime Minister (Accountability to House of Commons) Bill
Pilot (Licensing) Bill
Physician Associates (Regulation) Bill
Pensions (Review of Women?s Arrangements) Bill
Parliamentary Allowances (Restriction) Bill
Parking (Code of Practice) Bill
Overseas Electors Bill
Ovarian Cancer (Public Awareness) Bill
Organ Donation (Deemed Consent) Bill
Northamptonshire Clinical Commissioning Groups (Merger) Bill
North Northamptonshire (Urgent Care Facilities) Bill
National Living Wage (Extension to Young People) Bill
National Health Service (Co-Funding and Co-Payment) Bill
Local Roads (Investment) Bill
Local Government Finance Bill
Licensing of Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles (Safeguarding and Road Safety) Bill
Leader of the House of Commons (Election) Bill
June Bank Holiday (Creation) Bill
Isham Bypass Bill
International Development Assistance (Limit) Bill
International Development Assistance (Definition) Bill
Import Tariff (Reduction) Bill
Illegal Immigration (Offences) Bill
Human Trafficking (Child Protection) Bill
Human Rights and Responsibilities Bill
House of Commons Whips (Transparency) Bill
Hospital (Parking Charges and Business Rates) Bill
Homes (Fitness for Human Habitation and Liability for Housing Standards) Bill
Homeless People (Current Accounts) Bill
Holiday Pay Bill
High Speed 2 Phase 1 (Reviews of Public Expenditure) Bill
Healthcare (Local Accountability) Bill
Government Departments (Abolition) Bill
General Election (Leaders? Debate) Bill
Freedom of Information (Extension) Bill
Free Trade (Education and Reporting) Bill
Foreign Nationals (Criminal Offender and Prisoner Removal) Bill
Employment Opportunities Bill
Employment and Workers' Rights Bill
Electoral Candidate (Age) Bill
Drone (Regulation) Bill
Deregulation Bill
Civil Partnerships, Marriages and Deaths (Registration Etc.) Bill
Child Safety (Cycle Helmets) Bill
British Broadcasting Corporation (Oversight) Bill
Border Control Bill
Benefits and Public Services (Restriction) Bill
BBC Licence Fee (Civil Penalty) Bill
Bat Habitats Regulation (No. 2) Bill
Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2017
Refugees (Family Reunion) (No. 2) Bill
Carbon Emission Reductions Bill [HL]
Automatic Electoral Registration Bill [HL]
Property Boundaries (Resolution of Disputes) Bill [HL]
Kew Gardens (Leases) Bill [HL]
Genocide Determination Bill [HL]
Civil Partnership Act 2004 (Amendment) (Mixed Sex Couples) Bill [HL]
Unaccompanied Asylum Seeking Children (Legal Advice and Appeals) Bill [HL]
Modern Slavery (Transparency in Supply Chains) Bill [HL]
Cosmetic Surgery (Standards) Bill [HL]
BBC Licence Fee Bill [HL]
Awards for Valour (Protection) Bill [HL]
Road Traffic Offenders (Surrender of Driving Licences Etc) Bill [HL]
Heritage Railways and Tramways (Voluntary Work) Bill [HL]
Elections and Referendums (Advertising) Bill [HL]
Abortion (Disability Equality) Bill [HL]
Right to Die at Home Bill [HL]
Opticians Act 1989 (Amendment) Bill [HL]
Marriage Act 1949 (Amendment) Bill [HL]
Learning Disabilities (Review of Services) Bill [HL]
Digital Economy Act 2017 (Amendment) (Definition of Extreme Pornography) Bill [HL]
Victims of Crime (Rights, Entitlements, and Notification of Child Sexual Abuse) Bill [HL]
Schools (Mental Health and Wellbeing) Bill [HL]
Policing Resources Bill [HL]
Certificate of Loss Bill [HL]
Voting Age (Reduction) Bill [HL]
Extension of Franchise (House of Lords) Bill [HL]
Cohabitation Rights Bill [HL]
Access to Palliative Care Bill [HL]
Abortion (Foetus Protection) Bill [HL]
Local Housing Authority Debt Bill [HL]
BBC (Independence) Bill [HL]
Anonymity (Arrested Persons) Bill [HL]
Family Relationships (Impact Assessment and Targets) Bill [HL]
Ecumenical Marriage Bill [HL]
Duchy of Cornwall Bill [HL]
Divorce (Financial Provision) Bill [HL]
Criminal Records Bill [HL]
Civil Partnership Act 2004 (Amendment) (Sibling Couples) Bill [HL]
Children Act 1989 (Amendment) (Female Genital Mutilation) Bill [HL]
Bat Habitats Regulation Bill [HL]
House of Lords Bill [HL]
Succession to Peerages Bill [HL]

Meanwhile, the 3rd major minister in a matter of weeks bites the dust. What a mess...

None of which have been to do with Brexit or have any bearing on it but feel free to continue lying and clutching at straws to 'support' your arguments.

 

[pastafarian]

Not so sure about that either, I know that the voting on the amendments might suggest that, but the numbers for and against suggest to me a whipped Tory vote for and a whipped Labour vote to abstain.

Of course Labour are whipped into abstaining on a second referendum,the votes tell us that. They are against having a second referendum but wont support the gov in a vote.
This of course is very different from those that support a second referendum............currently 23.

You cling on to that as hard as you want,but even you know deep down a second referendum is a busted flush,

 

[Baldseagull]

Check back in a few years and you will see

Come on mate, that answer just confirms that you don't know.
What it is that would count as success for you?

 

[pastafarian]

You maybe right but you said we were in paralysis .... we're not .... we've moved forwards.



What a load of bollocks - Parliament has discussed over 200 non-EU bills in the last six months ( see below ). Paralysis my arse !

Sanctions and Anti-Money Laundering Bill [HL]
Registration of Marriage Bill [HL]
Pension Benefits (Ill Health) Bill
Open Skies Agreement (Membership) Bill [HL]
Laser Misuse (Vehicles) Bill [HL]
Finance (No.2) Bill
Emergency Response Drivers (Protections) Bill
Conscientious Objection (Medical Activities) Bill [HL]
Access to Radiotherapy Bill
University of London Bill [HL]
Richmond Burgage Pastures Bill [HL]
City of London Corporation (Open Spaces) Bill
Trade Bill
Telecommunications Infrastructure (Relief from Non-Domestic Rates) Bill
Space Industry Bill [HL]
Smart Meters Bill
Refugees (Family Reunion) Bill [HL]
Nuclear Safeguards Bill
Local Government Elections (Referendum) Bill [HL]
Immigration Control (Gross Human Rights Abuses) Bill [HL]
High Speed Rail (West Midlands - Crewe) Bill
Financial Guidance and Claims Bill [HL]
Automated and Electric Vehicles Bill
Armed Forces (Flexible Working) Bill [HL]
Short and Holiday-Let Accommodation (Notification of Local Authorities) Bill
Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Bill
Food Insecurity Bill
Data Protection Bill [HL]
Local Authorities (Removal of Council Tax Restrictions) Bill
Courts (Abuse of Process) Bill
Terms of Withdrawal from EU (Referendum) Bill
Sanctions (Human Rights Abuse and Corruption) Bill
Tyres (Buses and Coaches) Bill
Service Animals (Offences) Bill
Registration of Marriage (No. 2) Bill
Clean Air Bill
Voter Registration (No. 2) Bill
Parental Bereavement (Leave and Pay) Bill
Automatic Electoral Registration (No. 2) Bill
Representation of the People (Young People's Enfranchisement and Education) Bill
Prisons (Interference with Wireless Telegraphy) Bill
Principal Local Authorities (Grounds for Abolition) Bill
Parliamentary Constituencies (Amendment) Bill
Judicial Appointments and Retirements (Age Limits) Bill
Health and Social Care (National Data Guardian) Bill
Coastal Path (Definition) Bill
Genocide Determination (No. 2) Bill
Finance (No.2) Act 2017
Child Maintenance (Assessment of Parents' Income) Bill
Universal Credit (Application, Advice and Assistance) Bill
Home Education (Duty of Local Authorities) Bill [HL]
Equality Act 2010 (Amendment) (Disabled Access) Bill [HL]
Creditworthiness Assessment Bill [HL]
Automatic Travel Compensation Bill
New Southgate Cemetery Act 2017
Northern Ireland Budget Act 2017
Air Travel Organisers' Licensing Act 2017
Mental Health Units (Use of Force) Bill
Assaults on Emergency Workers (Offences) Bill
Hospital Car Parking Charges (Abolition) Bill
Leasehold Reform Bill
Middle Level Bill
Armed Forces (Statute of Limitations) Bill
Affordable Home Ownership Bill
Unpaid Work Experience (Prohibition) Bill [HL]
Democratic Political Activity (Funding and Expenditure) Bill [HL]
Asset Freezing (Compensation) Bill [HL]
Live Animal Exports (Prohibition) Bill
Workers (Definition and Rights) Bill
Sublet Property (Offences) Bill
Student Loans (Debt Discharge) Bill
Stamp Duty Bill
Speed Limits (England) Bill
Public Sector Exit Payments (Limitation) Bill
Mobile Homes and Park Homes Bill
Manufactured Goods (Trade) Bill
Local Audit (Public Access to Documents) Bill
Fruit and Vegetables (Classification) Bill
Fishing (Access to Territorial Waters) Bill
Electronic Cigarettes (Regulation) Bill
Electoral Commission (Duties) Bill
Domestic Energy (Value Added Tax) Bill
Criminal Fraud (Private Prosecutions) Bill
Armed Forces (Volunteer Reserve) Bill
Channel 4 (Relocation) Bill
Business of the House Commission Bill
Fetal Dopplers (Regulation) Bill
Legalisation of Cannabis (Medicinal Purposes) Bill
Green Belt (Protection) Bill
House of Lords (Exclusion of Hereditary Peers) Bill
Carbon Monoxide (Detection and Safety) Bill
Modern Slavery (Victim Support) Bill [HL]
House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) (Abolition of By-Elections) Bill [HL]
Age of Criminal Responsibility Bill [HL]
Pensions (Review of Women's Arrangements) (No. 2) Bill
Local Authorities (Borrowing and Investment) Bill
International Payments (Audit) Bill
Working Time (Regulations) Bill
Voter Registration Bill
Value Added Tax Bill
Unpaid Trial Work Periods (Prohibition) Bill
Tax Rates and Duties (Review) Bill
Student Loans (Debt Interest) Bill
Stalking Protection Bill
Schools Bill
School Holidays (Meals and Activities) Bill
Representation of the People (Young People's Enfranchisement) Bill
Public Services (Availability) Bill
Public Service Broadcasters (Privatisation) Bill
Prime Minister (Temporary Replacement) Bill
Prime Minister (Accountability to House of Commons) Bill
Pilot (Licensing) Bill
Physician Associates (Regulation) Bill
Pensions (Review of Women?s Arrangements) Bill
Parliamentary Allowances (Restriction) Bill
Parking (Code of Practice) Bill
Overseas Electors Bill
Ovarian Cancer (Public Awareness) Bill
Organ Donation (Deemed Consent) Bill
Northamptonshire Clinical Commissioning Groups (Merger) Bill
North Northamptonshire (Urgent Care Facilities) Bill
National Living Wage (Extension to Young People) Bill
National Health Service (Co-Funding and Co-Payment) Bill
Local Roads (Investment) Bill
Local Government Finance Bill
Licensing of Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles (Safeguarding and Road Safety) Bill
Leader of the House of Commons (Election) Bill
June Bank Holiday (Creation) Bill
Isham Bypass Bill
International Development Assistance (Limit) Bill
International Development Assistance (Definition) Bill
Import Tariff (Reduction) Bill
Illegal Immigration (Offences) Bill
Human Trafficking (Child Protection) Bill
Human Rights and Responsibilities Bill
House of Commons Whips (Transparency) Bill
Hospital (Parking Charges and Business Rates) Bill
Homes (Fitness for Human Habitation and Liability for Housing Standards) Bill
Homeless People (Current Accounts) Bill
Holiday Pay Bill
High Speed 2 Phase 1 (Reviews of Public Expenditure) Bill
Healthcare (Local Accountability) Bill
Government Departments (Abolition) Bill
General Election (Leaders? Debate) Bill
Freedom of Information (Extension) Bill
Free Trade (Education and Reporting) Bill
Foreign Nationals (Criminal Offender and Prisoner Removal) Bill
Employment Opportunities Bill
Employment and Workers' Rights Bill
Electoral Candidate (Age) Bill
Drone (Regulation) Bill
Deregulation Bill
Civil Partnerships, Marriages and Deaths (Registration Etc.) Bill
Child Safety (Cycle Helmets) Bill
British Broadcasting Corporation (Oversight) Bill
Border Control Bill
Benefits and Public Services (Restriction) Bill
BBC Licence Fee (Civil Penalty) Bill
Bat Habitats Regulation (No. 2) Bill
Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2017
Refugees (Family Reunion) (No. 2) Bill
Carbon Emission Reductions Bill [HL]
Automatic Electoral Registration Bill [HL]
Property Boundaries (Resolution of Disputes) Bill [HL]
Kew Gardens (Leases) Bill [HL]
Genocide Determination Bill [HL]
Civil Partnership Act 2004 (Amendment) (Mixed Sex Couples) Bill [HL]
Unaccompanied Asylum Seeking Children (Legal Advice and Appeals) Bill [HL]
Modern Slavery (Transparency in Supply Chains) Bill [HL]
Cosmetic Surgery (Standards) Bill [HL]
BBC Licence Fee Bill [HL]
Awards for Valour (Protection) Bill [HL]
Road Traffic Offenders (Surrender of Driving Licences Etc) Bill [HL]
Heritage Railways and Tramways (Voluntary Work) Bill [HL]
Elections and Referendums (Advertising) Bill [HL]
Abortion (Disability Equality) Bill [HL]
Right to Die at Home Bill [HL]
Opticians Act 1989 (Amendment) Bill [HL]
Marriage Act 1949 (Amendment) Bill [HL]
Learning Disabilities (Review of Services) Bill [HL]
Digital Economy Act 2017 (Amendment) (Definition of Extreme Pornography) Bill [HL]
Victims of Crime (Rights, Entitlements, and Notification of Child Sexual Abuse) Bill [HL]
Schools (Mental Health and Wellbeing) Bill [HL]
Policing Resources Bill [HL]
Certificate of Loss Bill [HL]
Voting Age (Reduction) Bill [HL]
Extension of Franchise (House of Lords) Bill [HL]
Cohabitation Rights Bill [HL]
Access to Palliative Care Bill [HL]
Abortion (Foetus Protection) Bill [HL]
Local Housing Authority Debt Bill [HL]
BBC (Independence) Bill [HL]
Anonymity (Arrested Persons) Bill [HL]
Family Relationships (Impact Assessment and Targets) Bill [HL]
Ecumenical Marriage Bill [HL]
Duchy of Cornwall Bill [HL]
Divorce (Financial Provision) Bill [HL]
Criminal Records Bill [HL]
Civil Partnership Act 2004 (Amendment) (Sibling Couples) Bill [HL]
Children Act 1989 (Amendment) (Female Genital Mutilation) Bill [HL]
Bat Habitats Regulation Bill [HL]
House of Lords Bill [HL]
Succession to Peerages Bill [HL]

But someone told him parliamentary process was paralysed and he believed it..........its almost as if he is gullible.

 

[Dorset Seagull]

Come on mate, that answer just confirms that you don't know.
What it is that would count as success for you?

Leaving the EU, which is still on the cards. I fear that your position of wanting to remain is slipping away. As I say check back in a few years and let’s see which vote won through

 

[Baldseagull]

Of course Labour are whipped into abstaining on a second referendum,the votes tell us that. They are against having a second referendum but wont support the gov in a vote.
This of course is very different from those that support a second referendum............currently 23.

You cling on to that as hard as you want,but even you know deep down a second referendum is a busted flush,

No, as Labour MP's abstained, we do not know how each individual member feels about it, and as Tories were whipped for an aye, we can't be sure there either. Your statement could be that there is a tiny minority of MP's that want a second referendum enough to defy their party whips, not that a tiny minority want it, in a free vote, who knows how it would go?
It seems Corbyn has become less dogmatic and more pragmatic, all he needs to change the Labour position is a strong indication that it is wanted by the public. A second referendum need not be part of the withdrawal bill, it was just a convenient opportunity to have another attempt at getting one, it might take a few more attempts yet.

 

[Baldseagull]

Leaving the EU, which is still on the cards. I fear that your position of wanting to remain is slipping away. As I say check back in a few years and let’s see which vote won through

Yeah, so what I am trying to get out from under your limpet like shell is how much leaving the EU you want. Would ending up like Norway be enough for you, or the Swiss, or Turkey? Would some agreements to keep the same tariffs as the EU does be acceptable to you, or is that a betrayal?
You see, if you say you know what you voted for, you either know what it is we will get, or you at least know what it is you wanted to get, I understand it may take many years and a lot of suffering to get there, but there must be something more to it than just being able to say "we left"

 

[Titanic]

You maybe right but you said we were in paralysis .... we're not .... we've moved forwards.



What a load of bollocks - Parliament has discussed over 200 non-EU bills in the last six months ( see below ). Paralysis my arse !

Sanctions and Anti-Money Laundering Bill [HL]
Registration of Marriage Bill [HL]
Pension Benefits (Ill Health) Bill
Open Skies Agreement (Membership) Bill [HL]
Laser Misuse (Vehicles) Bill [HL]
Finance (No.2) Bill
Emergency Response Drivers (Protections) Bill
Conscientious Objection (Medical Activities) Bill [HL]
Access to Radiotherapy Bill
University of London Bill [HL]
Richmond Burgage Pastures Bill [HL]
City of London Corporation (Open Spaces) Bill
Trade Bill
Telecommunications Infrastructure (Relief from Non-Domestic Rates) Bill
Space Industry Bill [HL]
Smart Meters Bill
Refugees (Family Reunion) Bill [HL]
Nuclear Safeguards Bill
Local Government Elections (Referendum) Bill [HL]
Immigration Control (Gross Human Rights Abuses) Bill [HL]
High Speed Rail (West Midlands - Crewe) Bill
Financial Guidance and Claims Bill [HL]
Automated and Electric Vehicles Bill
Armed Forces (Flexible Working) Bill [HL]
Short and Holiday-Let Accommodation (Notification of Local Authorities) Bill
Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Bill
Food Insecurity Bill
Data Protection Bill [HL]
Local Authorities (Removal of Council Tax Restrictions) Bill
Courts (Abuse of Process) Bill
Terms of Withdrawal from EU (Referendum) Bill
Sanctions (Human Rights Abuse and Corruption) Bill
Tyres (Buses and Coaches) Bill
Service Animals (Offences) Bill
Registration of Marriage (No. 2) Bill
Clean Air Bill
Voter Registration (No. 2) Bill
Parental Bereavement (Leave and Pay) Bill
Automatic Electoral Registration (No. 2) Bill
Representation of the People (Young People's Enfranchisement and Education) Bill
Prisons (Interference with Wireless Telegraphy) Bill
Principal Local Authorities (Grounds for Abolition) Bill
Parliamentary Constituencies (Amendment) Bill
Judicial Appointments and Retirements (Age Limits) Bill
Health and Social Care (National Data Guardian) Bill
Coastal Path (Definition) Bill
Genocide Determination (No. 2) Bill
Finance (No.2) Act 2017
Child Maintenance (Assessment of Parents' Income) Bill
Universal Credit (Application, Advice and Assistance) Bill
Home Education (Duty of Local Authorities) Bill [HL]
Equality Act 2010 (Amendment) (Disabled Access) Bill [HL]
Creditworthiness Assessment Bill [HL]
Automatic Travel Compensation Bill
New Southgate Cemetery Act 2017
Northern Ireland Budget Act 2017
Air Travel Organisers' Licensing Act 2017
Mental Health Units (Use of Force) Bill
Assaults on Emergency Workers (Offences) Bill
Hospital Car Parking Charges (Abolition) Bill
Leasehold Reform Bill
Middle Level Bill
Armed Forces (Statute of Limitations) Bill
Affordable Home Ownership Bill
Unpaid Work Experience (Prohibition) Bill [HL]
Democratic Political Activity (Funding and Expenditure) Bill [HL]
Asset Freezing (Compensation) Bill [HL]
Live Animal Exports (Prohibition) Bill
Workers (Definition and Rights) Bill
Sublet Property (Offences) Bill
Student Loans (Debt Discharge) Bill
Stamp Duty Bill
Speed Limits (England) Bill
Public Sector Exit Payments (Limitation) Bill
Mobile Homes and Park Homes Bill
Manufactured Goods (Trade) Bill
Local Audit (Public Access to Documents) Bill
Fruit and Vegetables (Classification) Bill
Fishing (Access to Territorial Waters) Bill
Electronic Cigarettes (Regulation) Bill
Electoral Commission (Duties) Bill
Domestic Energy (Value Added Tax) Bill
Criminal Fraud (Private Prosecutions) Bill
Armed Forces (Volunteer Reserve) Bill
Channel 4 (Relocation) Bill
Business of the House Commission Bill
Fetal Dopplers (Regulation) Bill
Legalisation of Cannabis (Medicinal Purposes) Bill
Green Belt (Protection) Bill
House of Lords (Exclusion of Hereditary Peers) Bill
Carbon Monoxide (Detection and Safety) Bill
Modern Slavery (Victim Support) Bill [HL]
House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) (Abolition of By-Elections) Bill [HL]
Age of Criminal Responsibility Bill [HL]
Pensions (Review of Women's Arrangements) (No. 2) Bill
Local Authorities (Borrowing and Investment) Bill
International Payments (Audit) Bill
Working Time (Regulations) Bill
Voter Registration Bill
Value Added Tax Bill
Unpaid Trial Work Periods (Prohibition) Bill
Tax Rates and Duties (Review) Bill
Student Loans (Debt Interest) Bill
Stalking Protection Bill
Schools Bill
School Holidays (Meals and Activities) Bill
Representation of the People (Young People's Enfranchisement) Bill
Public Services (Availability) Bill
Public Service Broadcasters (Privatisation) Bill
Prime Minister (Temporary Replacement) Bill
Prime Minister (Accountability to House of Commons) Bill
Pilot (Licensing) Bill
Physician Associates (Regulation) Bill
Pensions (Review of Women?s Arrangements) Bill
Parliamentary Allowances (Restriction) Bill
Parking (Code of Practice) Bill
Overseas Electors Bill
Ovarian Cancer (Public Awareness) Bill
Organ Donation (Deemed Consent) Bill
Northamptonshire Clinical Commissioning Groups (Merger) Bill
North Northamptonshire (Urgent Care Facilities) Bill
National Living Wage (Extension to Young People) Bill
National Health Service (Co-Funding and Co-Payment) Bill
Local Roads (Investment) Bill
Local Government Finance Bill
Licensing of Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles (Safeguarding and Road Safety) Bill
Leader of the House of Commons (Election) Bill
June Bank Holiday (Creation) Bill
Isham Bypass Bill
International Development Assistance (Limit) Bill
International Development Assistance (Definition) Bill
Import Tariff (Reduction) Bill
Illegal Immigration (Offences) Bill
Human Trafficking (Child Protection) Bill
Human Rights and Responsibilities Bill
House of Commons Whips (Transparency) Bill
Hospital (Parking Charges and Business Rates) Bill
Homes (Fitness for Human Habitation and Liability for Housing Standards) Bill
Homeless People (Current Accounts) Bill
Holiday Pay Bill
High Speed 2 Phase 1 (Reviews of Public Expenditure) Bill
Healthcare (Local Accountability) Bill
Government Departments (Abolition) Bill
General Election (Leaders? Debate) Bill
Freedom of Information (Extension) Bill
Free Trade (Education and Reporting) Bill
Foreign Nationals (Criminal Offender and Prisoner Removal) Bill
Employment Opportunities Bill
Employment and Workers' Rights Bill
Electoral Candidate (Age) Bill
Drone (Regulation) Bill
Deregulation Bill
Civil Partnerships, Marriages and Deaths (Registration Etc.) Bill
Child Safety (Cycle Helmets) Bill
British Broadcasting Corporation (Oversight) Bill
Border Control Bill
Benefits and Public Services (Restriction) Bill
BBC Licence Fee (Civil Penalty) Bill
Bat Habitats Regulation (No. 2) Bill
Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2017
Refugees (Family Reunion) (No. 2) Bill
Carbon Emission Reductions Bill [HL]
Automatic Electoral Registration Bill [HL]
Property Boundaries (Resolution of Disputes) Bill [HL]
Kew Gardens (Leases) Bill [HL]
Genocide Determination Bill [HL]
Civil Partnership Act 2004 (Amendment) (Mixed Sex Couples) Bill [HL]
Unaccompanied Asylum Seeking Children (Legal Advice and Appeals) Bill [HL]
Modern Slavery (Transparency in Supply Chains) Bill [HL]
Cosmetic Surgery (Standards) Bill [HL]
BBC Licence Fee Bill [HL]
Awards for Valour (Protection) Bill [HL]
Road Traffic Offenders (Surrender of Driving Licences Etc) Bill [HL]
Heritage Railways and Tramways (Voluntary Work) Bill [HL]
Elections and Referendums (Advertising) Bill [HL]
Abortion (Disability Equality) Bill [HL]
Right to Die at Home Bill [HL]
Opticians Act 1989 (Amendment) Bill [HL]
Marriage Act 1949 (Amendment) Bill [HL]
Learning Disabilities (Review of Services) Bill [HL]
Digital Economy Act 2017 (Amendment) (Definition of Extreme Pornography) Bill [HL]
Victims of Crime (Rights, Entitlements, and Notification of Child Sexual Abuse) Bill [HL]
Schools (Mental Health and Wellbeing) Bill [HL]
Policing Resources Bill [HL]
Certificate of Loss Bill [HL]
Voting Age (Reduction) Bill [HL]
Extension of Franchise (House of Lords) Bill [HL]
Cohabitation Rights Bill [HL]
Access to Palliative Care Bill [HL]
Abortion (Foetus Protection) Bill [HL]
Local Housing Authority Debt Bill [HL]
BBC (Independence) Bill [HL]
Anonymity (Arrested Persons) Bill [HL]
Family Relationships (Impact Assessment and Targets) Bill [HL]
Ecumenical Marriage Bill [HL]
Duchy of Cornwall Bill [HL]
Divorce (Financial Provision) Bill [HL]
Criminal Records Bill [HL]
Civil Partnership Act 2004 (Amendment) (Sibling Couples) Bill [HL]
Children Act 1989 (Amendment) (Female Genital Mutilation) Bill [HL]
Bat Habitats Regulation Bill [HL]
House of Lords Bill [HL]
Succession to Peerages Bill [HL]




None of which have been to do with Brexit or have any bearing on it but feel free to continue lying and clutching at straws to 'support' your arguments.

Are you sure you didn't just make that list up? It seems a remarkably diverse program of government activity.

 

[Dorset Seagull]

Yeah, so what I am trying to get out from under your limpet like shell is how much leaving the EU you want. Would ending up like Norway be enough for you, or the Swiss, or Turkey? Would some agreements to keep the same tariffs as the EU does be acceptable to you, or is that a betrayal?
You see, if you say you know what you voted for, you either know what it is we will get, or you at least know what it is you wanted to get, I understand it may take many years and a lot of suffering to get there, but there must be something more to it than just being able to say "we left"

I think it’s all been covered in this thread already. I get that many remainers can only see a crushed UK at the end of this process, and some even appear to look forward to gloating about it. However I take the view that our complete collapse isn’t really in the interests of the EU so we are in a negotiation by both sides to try and get the best outcome that allows both sides to thrive.

 

[GT49er]

At least we haven't gone like Poland, if it wasn't for the likes of Gina Miller that's where we'd be heading...

Gina Miller prevented the EU from interfering with the British legal system?

Meanwhile, the 3rd major minister in a matter of weeks bites the dust. What a mess...

Another desperate attempt to link Brexit with kiddy-fiddling. Such a stupid argument; it's just as relevant to say that all the kiddy-fiddling in the last umpteen years, Saville, Harris et al, was all done while we were in the EU. Surely a reason to leave?

No, of course it isn't, ant more than a government minister with kiddy-porn on is computer has any relevance to Brexit.