[Politics] Brexit

[Two Professors]

why is anyone making the Bombardier issue about Brexit? it could just as easily be Airbus, and probably will be next. its just plain old protectionism from US based company.

Cos everything else they whinged about has been shot down in flames.Distracts attention from the anti-semitism issue-apparently Brighton District Labour have been suspended from the party.

 

[ManOfSussex]

why is anyone making the Bombardier issue about Brexit? it could just as easily be Airbus, and probably will be next. its just plain old protectionism from US based company.

But Dr. Liam Fox - International Man Of Free Trade - is supposed to be getting us free trade deals after Brexit, that the rest of the world are queuing up to sign with us, not protectionism. 'Free Trade' is his middle name now, not '220% import tariffs'.

 

[daveinprague]

Cos everything else they whinged about has been shot down in flames.Distracts attention from the anti-semitism issue-apparently Brighton District Labour have been suspended from the party.

Not sure about the point of your post. We are always told by Brexiteers that many Labour voters voted for Brexit.
Many Tories didnt want to leave. Are you confused about the subject? Do you believe exiting the EU is a left/right issue?
Im guessing yes, otherwise, your post is even more ludicrous.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Quite a few on here are saying Brexit has ruined youngsters chances of this,that,and the other,in Europe.They didn't seem that bothered.Just want to make a living,and hoping for a successful economy after we have left.

Brexit hasn't, Britain and Brexit has. Free education, cheap housing, freedom to move....all now gone or about to go.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Fair definition of a nationalised industry, that - so, if we don't leave, all the juvenile Corbynistas can't have one. Best come round to support your pro-leave leader then..........

Yet Germany somehow runs a successful nationalised rail industry. Who'd have funk it?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

why is anyone making the Bombardier issue about Brexit? it could just as easily be Airbus, and probably will be next. its just plain old protectionism from US based company.

This Bombardier story must be fake news as we are still in the EU, not leaving till 2019.. a mighty trade block that gives us more clout and protects our industries from unfair tariffs.

 

[Blue3]

Then why does the Soviet Union not exist any more.The state is always bloody useless at running any industry.Look at the shambles that is Venezuela before spouting rubbish about state ownership.

If we look at state owned railways they include Japan, France, Germany and Switzerland and they all appear to work quite well look at the shambles the UK system is with 24 seoperate operators before you start spouting anti state ownership rhetoric

 

[beorhthelm]

But Dr. Liam Fox - International Man Of Free Trade - is supposed to be getting us free trade deals after Brexit, that the rest of the world are queuing up to sign with us, not protectionism. 'Free Trade' is his middle name now, not '220% import tariffs'.

but it has nothing to do with our trade deals, if it were a UK company being targeted there might be relevance to our trade arrangements with the US. the tariff is being imposed on a Canadian company to protect a US business Boeing. if the US try something similar with Airbus (which they have in the past) then they may impose a tariff on that French/EU company and jobs in Wales will be at risk instead.

on the other hand, if we did have and supported free trade between all countries, then all this tariff nonsense would go away (though would need to cut out the government subsidies too, then again, no country left or right seems too keen with that idea)

 

[5ways]

It was a vote concerning sovereignty and economics not identity politics.

 

[ManOfSussex]

This Bombardier story must be fake news as we are still in the EU, not leaving till 2019.. a mighty trade block that gives us more clout and protects our industries from unfair tariffs.

Thank goodness we're leaving and Liam Fox can sort it all out then. Trump did say The EU was protectionist, but then goes and does this to America's super best friends. Still Trump was most excited about Brexit and the advantages it bring for Americans though - I can see why now.

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[ManOfSussex]

but it has nothing to do with our trade deals, if it were a UK company being targeted there might be relevance to our trade arrangements with the US. the tariff is being imposed on a Canadian company to protect a US business Boeing. if the US try something similar with Airbus (which they have in the past) then they may impose a tariff on that French/EU company and jobs in Wales will be at risk instead.

on the other hand, if we did have and supported free trade between all countries, then all this tariff nonsense would go away (though would need to cut out the government subsidies too, then again, no country left or right seems too keen with that idea)

As I've said, Liam Fox will sort it all out, so there's nothing to worry about. He loves a bit of free trade does Dr. Liam, so I'm sure he'll convince Trump and his protectionist administration to do the same and we'll have a wonderful free-trade deal with The US - and after-all we're British, not Canadian so it'll be fine.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Thank goodness we're leaving and Liam Fox can sort it all out then. Trump did say The EU was protectionist, but then goes and does this to America's super best friends. Still Trump was most excited about Brexit and the advantages it bring for Americans though - I can see why now.

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Absolutely agree although your preferred option would mean a rabidly anti-US/Trump, Labour minister fighting our corner. We might end up getting nuked! (especially as the US would know JC won't be using our multi billion pound deterrent.)

 

[CHAPPERS]

. We might end up getting nuked! (especially as the US would know JC won't be using our multi billion pound deterrent.)

Deary me.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Absolutely agree although your preferred option would mean a rabidly anti-US/Trump, Labour minister fighting our corner. We might end up getting nuked! (especially as the US would know JC won't be using our multi billion pound deterrent.)

Barry Gardiner went to Harvard and is a devout christian - he'll fit right in and look the bible belt in the eye as an equal - give me him over Dr. Liam GP any-day. He even quite rightly expressed concerns in a letter to him on his inauguration congratulating him, that Trump might be a tad protectionist and a free-trade deal must work for both our great countries etc, etc.

 

[CHAPPERS]

The Daily Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-hurt-eu-britain-warn-university-researchers/

The European Union will lose more than twice as many jobs as Britain after a hard Brexit, research by one of the world’s leading universities found as tough UK-EU divorce talks begin in Brussels.

Hard Brexit describes what will happen if the UK and EU fail to reach a divorce deal by 29 March 2019. Britain would revert to WTO tariffs on imports and exports to and from the EU rather than the zero tariffs afforded by membership of the bloc.

The return of tariffs to goods and services would cost 526,830 British jobs and 1.209 million jobs in the remaining 27 EU member states, according to researchers at Belgium’s University of Leuven, one of the top 50 global universities. The damage would lead to a 4.48% drop in UK GDP and 1.54% in EU GDP, researchers found.

“It is time to focus on securing a Brexit that works,” Lord Ian Duncan, a former member of the European Parliament, told The Telegraph.

“Too many jobs are at risk and posturing and finger pointing from the other side of the Channel won’t save them. Only serious negotiation will,” the conservative parliamentary undersecretary of state for Scotland said.

Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, has repeatedly warned that "no deal" would hurt both the UK and the EU but would harm Britain the most.

A soft Brexit with a Norway-style trading relationship with access to the single market would still cost 139,860 British jobs compared to 284,440 EU jobs, the researchers found.



The study paints a bleaker picture for the EU than other research because, for the first time, it took into account EU-wide supply chains on goods imported to Britain.

German car imports, for example, include parts made in other EU countries so the return of tariffs would hit those nations as well as Germany.

No individual country would suffer from a Hard Brexit as badly as Britain, which has a goods and trade deficit with the EU, according to the study.

But the impact on the EU as a whole should concentrate minds in Brussels over what it stands to lose as the fourth round of Brexit negotiations begin today in Brussels.


Germany, the EU’s economic powerhouse and most influential country stands to lose 291,930 jobs, the most of any individual nation apart from Britain, and France 141,320 jobs. Poland and Italy will lose more than 120,000 jobs each.

Smaller countries such as Ireland, Belgium, Malta and the Netherlands will be particularly badly hit, the research found, with an expected unemployment rise in the tens of thousands.

Ireland, which has described itself as the “collateral damage” of Brexit, would lose 50,330 jobs, 2.59% of its workforce.

"This shows the EU side also has a great interest in starting to discuss a trade deal," said Pieter Cleppe of the Open Europe think tank.



Despite Britain’s repeated demands, the EU is refusing to talk trade until its leaders judge “sufficient progress” has been made in negotiations over Ireland, citizens rights and the so-called Brexit bill.

EU diplomats have warned they will demand Britain pays far more than €20 billion, possibly as much as €50bn, to break the deadlock in Brexit negotiations.

Delaying the start of trade talks does no good to anyone,” said Lord Duncan, who has special Brexit responsibilities because of his EU experience.

“Delaying talks to winkle another farthing from the UK coffers will come at quite at cost to the EU in the long run.”

The sufficient progress decision was scheduled for October but after the last three rounds of talks ended in deadlock there are growing fears the hurdle will not be cleared until December.



The prospect of huge job losses could heap pressure on the European Commission, which is leading the talks for the EU, and has so far maintained a united front among the 27 nations.

Mr Barnier wants the Brexit deal finalised by October 2018 to allow five months for it to be ratified by national parliament and the EU parliaments, leaving, in the absence of a transition deal, just eight months to cement the future trading relationship.

Theresa May on Friday called for a transition deal of about two years in her speech in Florence, a city chosen for its rich trade history.

Liam Fox, the Secretary of State for trade, is visiting Belgium and the Netherlands this week to talk trade. On Tuesday, he will meet with the EU’s trade commissioner in Brussels.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Was reading this and thinking the same thing. People are pinning their hopes on building trade with the US. Doesn't bode well...

the end of the world is nigh
regards
DR

 

[Berty23]

Re telegraph article. As someone who works with stats that is clever use to try and show that job losses worse in EU. What is the proportion of jobs expected to go? More evidence we need them more.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Re telegraph article. As someone who works with stats that is clever use to try and show that job losses worse in EU. What is the proportion of jobs expected to go? More evidence we need them more.

Exactly... the GDP figures are a better guide

The damage would lead to a 4.48% drop in UK GDP and 1.54% in EU GDP, researchers found.

Eek, that would be almost catastrophic for the UK economy.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Glad when we're out of the eu and wont have to put up with all this speculation , some people have a very low opinion of this country (SMALL MINORITY),
regards
DR

 

[ManOfSussex]

Absolutely agree although your preferred option would mean a rabidly anti-US/Trump, Labour minister fighting our corner.

May's 'bitterly disappointed' over The Bombardier business and now Sir Michael Fallon has said future Boeing defence contracts here could in jeopardy as result. I'm pleased The Conservative v Trump Administration love-in is going so well.