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2nd Test: England v South Africa at Nottingham, Jul 14-18, 2017



BensGrandad

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Has Balance not had plenty of opportunities to show his metal and failed generally so perhaps he joins Mark Ramprakash and others as a good county player who cannot cut it at test level.
 




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Current form aside, Haseeb Hameed is surely nailed on to be a part of England's top order plans?

If he could develop his leg spin, so much the better.
 


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And on the subject of occasional spinners - further to the 'what is the point of Dawson?' debate - I reckon Joe Root's spin looks more threatening than his does.

Sack him off now, for an extra batter, or Woakes, if fit.
 


clarkey

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Those numbers would also work, and I think there is a strong case for it. What worries me is retaining Ballance as his technique is flawed at this level.

Maybe play Bairstow as a batsman only and play Buttler as wicket keeper?

Thing with Buttler is he's only played 1 first class game this season, and scored 3 runs across 2 innings.
 








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Surprised nobody has suggested Luke Wright at No 3

Luke Wright who is about 33, has never played a Test, is not a top order batsman, has never shown any interest in patiently building an innings in his entire career, and has got off the mark in 2 of his last 3 Sussex innings with a straight six?

Yes, me too.
 


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Although, if you'd said Luke WELLS, that might be worthy of debate at some point.

He is the second-highest averaging English batsman in the County game this summer (after Ballance), with 88.00.
 




BensGrandad

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Luke Wright who is about 33, has never played a Test, is not a top order batsman, has never shown any interest in patiently building an innings in his entire career, and has got off the mark in 2 of his last 3 Sussex innings with a straight six?

Yes, me too.

I was taking the p..s suggesting him but it obviously passed over some peoples heads.
 


LlcoolJ

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And on the subject of occasional spinners - further to the 'what is the point of Dawson?' debate - I reckon Joe Root's spin looks more threatening than his does.

Sack him off now, for an extra batter, or Woakes, if fit.

I was thinking this and then read that Woakes is probably out for the series. Definitely an option if fit.
 


















big nuts

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We only need 5 bowlers plus some occasional off spin from Root if required.

Dawson out and Stoneman in, moving Ali down to 8. If Balance makes way why isn't the young lad who impressed in India selected he had something about him.


Anyone know how Ian Bell is performing? IVO the lack of viable alternatives he has a technique that can still score runs at test level if required.
 


BensGrandad

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Can somebody help and find the up to date averages in county cricket this season for both Ian Bell and Jonathan Trott who would both be in the running if the recall of an oldie is considered.
 




big nuts

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Can somebody help and find the up to date averages in county cricket this season for both Ian Bell and Jonathan Trott who would both be in the running if the recall of an oldie is considered.

Trott has retired from International cricket so he is out of the running.

Certainly the best number 3 we've had for a number of years. Really missed his stability at the top of the order.

Before him the last 4/5 years of Mark Butchers career were successful after a fairly mediocre start, but typically it's always been a problem area for us.
 


BensGrandad

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Trott has retired from International cricket so he is out of the running.

Certainly the best number 3 we've had for a number of years. Really missed his stability at the top of the order.

Before him the last 4/5 years of Mark Butchers career were successful after a fairly mediocre start, but typically it's always been a problem area for us.

Is that definite or could he perhaps be talked around to reconsider. How is Bells average going this season.
 


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