General Election 2017

[Weststander]

A new poll released this evening by The Guardian gives the Tories a huge 12% lead.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/30/guardianicm-poll-tories-12-point-lead-offers-labour-crumbs-of-hope

These are interesting times indeed.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Well this has been a wash out

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[Guinness Boy]

Did you mean "I don't think Corbyn's said he'll NOT work with the SNP"? If so...

He said: "There will be no coalition deal with the SNP and a Labour government.

"The SNP may talk left at Westminster, but in government in Scotland it acts right. A genuinely progressive party would not refuse to introduce a 50p top rate of income tax on the richest.

"The SNP wants to break up the UK; it has no interest in making it work better. Independence would lead to turbo-charged austerity in Scotland - not progressive politics."

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-39648506

No - I don't believe Corbyn will work with the SNP for that reason & the fact he's said it.

This is truly a fascinating election. Vote May & get stuff she said she'd never do, probably randomly. Vote Corbyn & get everything in the manifesto no matter what it ends up costing or how long it takes.

Yet if by some miracle neither gets power without a backer then suddenly that madness is tempered.

#TeamHungParliament


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[bWize]

A new poll released this evening by The Guardian gives the Tories a huge 12% lead.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/30/guardianicm-poll-tories-12-point-lead-offers-labour-crumbs-of-hope

These are interesting times indeed.

YouGov latest poll predicting a hung parliament, yet the Guardian saying 12% Tory lead... I know which one I believe.

According to the Croydon Observer, Palace fans "loved the light show" and want to see more. Many also want Moyes as manager... Media polls and comment sections are easily manipulated/exploited and we will only find out what's what on the 8th June.

 

[studio150]

YouGov latest poll predicting a hung parliament,

I'm not sure its a poll as the Times reports 'to new modelling by You Gov' It is a constituency-by-constituency estimate of the election result but estimates the Tories to lose 20 seats and Labour to gain nearly 30 seats.

We shall see

 

[happypig]

No - I don't believe Corbyn will work with the SNP for that reason & the fact he's said it.

This is truly a fascinating election. Vote May & get stuff she said she'd never do, probably randomly. Vote Corbyn & get everything in the manifesto no matter what it ends up costing or how long it takes.

Yet if by some miracle neither gets power without a backer then suddenly that madness is tempered.

#TeamHungParliament


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A hung Parliament would prove VERY interesting indeed; It would likely mean that the LibDems had won back a few seats, mainly from the Tories, SNP keep what they've got and Labour gain a few whilst the Tories are the largest party overall.
The problem the Conservatives have is that no-one is likely to want to go into coalition with them (apart from half a dozen DUP and UKIP if they win any seats) so anything under about 310 seats leaves then vulnerable.
Labour could ally with the LibDems and/or the SNP but given the Brexit stance of those two, it might only be an informal coalition. The Conservatives then could try to form a minority government.

 

[wellquickwoody]

More Debt and borrowing than for many many years, deficit not paid off, increasing child poverty, NHS in crisis, schools in crisis, queues at food banks including nurses and very few with the money to put a deposit on a house and staying at home well into there 30's.
And all you are interested in is how well off you are.
Selfish ****
Are you and wellthickwoody being deliberately stupid or do you have 'special needs'
You are both bellends.

Once more the insults cascade from the childish left.............sigh. Is that really the best you can muster........special needs and bellends? And you wonder why Labour are not taken seriously by adults.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Once more the insults cascade from the childish left.............sigh. Is that really the best you can muster........special needs and bellends? And you wonder why Labour are not taken seriously by adults.

If that poster is using special needs as an insult then he most certainly will not be from the left. 100 % agree with you about the childish insults. It's Donald Trump type language.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Great performance by JC on the One show last night

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[The Birdman]

I don't get it we are always being told how bad this country is and everything is broke but hundreds and thousands of people want to come here.
We have Freedom of speech we have jobs( if you want) we have many pepole helping the not so well off. We all have the freedom to vote. we are one of the most charitable country in the world.
Even though it's under pressure we have one of the best health services in the world. We slag of pepole who start business who make money and provide jobs.
Why do we always put this country down.

 

[nicko31]

I'm not sure its a poll as the Times reports 'to new modelling by You Gov' It is a constituency-by-constituency estimate of the election result but estimates the Tories to lose 20 seats and Labour to gain nearly 30 seats.

We shall see

Polls are all over the place, fascinating time in politics but not necessarily a great time

Bad day for JC yesterday but from a knock out blow. The fact he then apologised for not having the figures showed he was bizarrely human as a politician

Meanwhile May went down the abuse route which I don't think would win her any new voters and will get praise from Paul Dacre and co

 

[Is it PotG?]

I think 'fascinating rather than great times' sums it up perfectly.

I feel that a few of the JC/Lib Dem/Green voters still feel that ballsing up Brexit by having many inputs might STILL even mean we are not leaving and a second referendum. I fear that anything other than a (undesireable imho) Tory govt. will mean a very, very expensive Brexit and considerably more complex set of plans.

We're still going whatever happens next week.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

Expect more personal attacks and insults on JC as that is all the Tories have now

Interestingly, the Tories are actually having to rapidly rethink their strategy and move away from focusing on the personal and leadership stuff that they initially thought they could get away with. Agreed that it won't stop the panicky mudslinging at JC but we'll hear less from them about Theresa May.

The expensively mass distributed Tory leaflet that came through my door in BN21 a couple of weeks ago said "VOTE THERESA MAY"... there is no way that the next one will say anything like that. Their stage backdrop changed yesterday from the shot to pieces "Strong and Stable" to something about Brexit and simply "Vote Conservative". It seems the penny has dropped that their campaign has been atrocious - manifesto and leadership - and that all they have now is an appeal to their core vote to turn out and put them back in regardless...

 

[Guinness Boy]

Interestingly, the Tories are actually having to rapidly rethink their strategy and move away from focusing on the personal and leadership stuff that they initially thought they could get away with. Agreed that it won't stop the panicky mudslinging at JC but we'll hear less from them about Theresa May.

The expensively mass distributed Tory leaflet that came through my door in BN21 a couple of weeks ago said "VOTE THERESA MAY"... there is no way that the next one will say anything like that. Their stage backdrop changed yesterday from the shot to pieces "Strong and Stable" to something about Brexit and simply "Vote Conservative". It seems the penny has dropped that their campaign has been atrocious - manifesto and leadership - and that all they have now is an appeal to their core vote to turn out and put them back in regardless...

This - plus Dacre has had the Mail print things that Labour are allegedly going to do that aren't in the manifesto two days on the trot, on a "garden tax" and immigration. It's pretty much the same tactic Paxman used, it would seem Labour's manifesto is so good that they need to be attacked on what isn't in it.

#TeamDesperate

 

[Bold Seagull]

I don't get it we are always being told how bad this country is and everything is broke but hundreds and thousands of people want to come here.
We have Freedom of speech we have jobs( if you want) we have many pepole helping the not so well off. We all have the freedom to vote. we are one of the most charitable country in the world.
Even though it's under pressure we have one of the best health services in the world. We slag of pepole who start business who make money and provide jobs.
Why do we always put this country down.

I don't think it's a case of putting the country down, more who is running it.
NHS - source of great pride, hence the argument is over how much funding you put into it.
Businesses - not heard anyone slagging off businesses, just a discussion on how much they should pay.

I think actually that a manifesto that believes you can put more into education and NHS is a very positive message that the UK can afford to do more for its services, that businesses can thrive and contribute. Not sure how that can be considered negative?

I think saying our economy is too fragile our businesses too weak to bring taxation inline with similar GDP countries, that we can't afford to put a bit more into the state is actually a more negative outlook.

Not sure who is doing the slagging off you're seeing?

 

[Soulman]

More Debt and borrowing than for many many years, deficit not paid off, increasing child poverty, NHS in crisis, schools in crisis, queues at food banks including nurses and very few with the money to put a deposit on a house and staying at home well into there 30's.
And all you are interested in is how well off you are.
Selfish ****
Are you and wellthickwoody being deliberately stupid or do you have 'special needs'
You are both bellends.

Nice, "special needs". FYI youngsters could not get on the property market under Labour. Thirteen years they allowed the country to fill up so many were competing for few, the prices go up.
You are so dramatic, and your insults are the norm for someone sitting behind a p.c. and you expect to be taken seriously with insults.
Leave your **** for your own ilk.

 

[Bold Seagull]

This - plus Dacre has had the Mail print things that Labour are allegedly going to do that aren't in the manifesto two days on the trot, on a "garden tax" and immigration. It's pretty much the same tactic Paxman used, it would seem Labour's manifesto is so good that they need to be attacked on what isn't in it.

#TeamDesperate

#ProjectFearv2.0

 

[Westdene Seagull]

we have jobs( if you want)

I don't usually resort to this BUT this statement is utter utter bollocks !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bold Seagull]

Nice, "special needs". FYI youngsters could not get on the property market under Labour. Thirteen years they allowed the country to fill up so many were competing for few, the prices go up.
You are so dramatic, and your insults are the norm for someone sitting behind a p.c. and you expect to be taken seriously with insults.
Leave your **** for your own ilk.

The housing market has a history prior to 1997. It also has seen nothing to curb growth since 2010 - inexplicably through a financial meltdown. Unless you are really left wing not sure how someone from the right can criticise the housing market under Labour given what we saw '79-'97 and the great housing asset strip. You seriously believe Tory policies would have led them to curb the housing market and build more homes - the very notion goes against their 18 years in power.

 

[simmo]

I lived in Gaborone for 2 years. It was brutally attacked on several occasions by apartheid South Africa, resulting in innocent lives being lost as a result of a despicable regime supported and supplied arms by the Conservative Government of the day. Should I not vote Conservative as a result of what South Africa did to Botswana and other neighbouring countries in the 1980s?

With all due respect you are talking about a city in Botswana, I had to Google it, where you just happened to be at a particular time many years ago, I am presuming you are a British citizen (from your username) and thereby it was your choice to be there (i.e you could have chose to come back to the UK) and thereby the South African governement were not attacking you, par se a British citizen......

What the IRA did to the rest of us British citizens not fortunate to have a choice to be elsewhere was to directly attack us, on our mainland murdering servicemen, policemen and civilians for at least 20 years. Their most audacious attack was attempting to assisinate (all of) the British Government of the time, in our fair city. There are numerous examples of where they attacked British civilians and not servicemen or politicians, Warrington, Bishopsgate, Canary Wharf, Harrods come to my mind straight away there will be many more.

At the very height of these troubles (1980's) when the IRA would argue that the war was going on and British civilians were regularly being killed, JC was willing to share a platform with Sinn Fein, you vote for him if you want.....I do not believe at all for one second he was a supporter of peace (as I heard him try to infer to Andrew Neil), he was a supporter of the IRA (because at that time he despised the Tory govt so much). Also sharing platforms, is different to having covert peace talks with your enemy as well. If I did believe that JC was involved in such peace talks (which neither Major nor Blair has corroborated, PM's at the time that "a relative" peace was achieved). I would expect him to covertly do so as well, meeting both sides, but interestingly enough he rarely (if at all) seemed to have been happy being photographed meeting Unionist terrorist organisations/associated political parties.