Prevent Donald Trump from making a state visit to the United Kingdom - petition

[vegster]

Or perhaps we should not have the speaker of the house putting his own opinion instead of putting the question to the house.
While we are at it maybe take a look at his wining and dining expenses as well.

I think I am right in saying that the Speaker is in charge of procedure and the rules of the house...if he feels that Trump should not address the house he is merely doing his job.. Oh, plus we still live in a democracy, just.

Maybe we should have that nice Mr Putin come over next and give us some pointers on successful democracy?... We might bag a decent deal on Salt as a bonus...

 

[mikeyjh]

What is it that the Trumpeteers here have to fear from protest? There is a large number of people who feel very strongly about Trump and how we certainly shouldn't lay out the red carpet for someone who they see as a tyrant who was very little in common with our values. People are worries about what his impact will be on not just the US but the wider world, why should they not voice their opinions?

Post brexit, there does seem to be some sort of pervasive anti debate mantra usually, and ironically, based on the argument that it's democracy, the people have voted so that's the end of the story....

 

[Albumen]

Bercow won't allow Trump to speak in parliament but wasn't in the same mood when meeting the Emir of Kuwait. With his appalling record.
https://order-order.com/2017/02/06/...pite-travel-ban-and-dire-human-rights-record/
The speaker is supposed to remain neutral but you only have to watch Bercow in action to realise his ego is massive and craves attention.

I love all this judging people on previous events. Humans aren't robots, people learn, change, do things wrong. Should they carry on doing things wrong? I agree that meeting Emir was wrong, but he's not wrong now.

It's like people being happy with Trump because it's not as bad as what else is going on around the world, for example Russia is removing protection for victims of domestic violence. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/30/russia-decriminalise-domestic-violence-laws

It's wrong, and so is Trump. Two wrongs can exist at the same time. Picking and choosing wrongs like BigGully was doing earlier in the thread is a bit odd. Trump is a still wrong and the protests are because he is wrong.





Wrong.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I love all this judging people on previous events. Humans aren't robots, people learn, change, do things wrong. Should they carry on doing things wrong? I agree that meeting Emir was wrong, but he's not wrong now.

It's like people being happy with Trump because it's not as bad as what else is going on around the world, for example Russia is removing protection for victims of domestic violence. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/30/russia-decriminalise-domestic-violence-laws

It's wrong, and so is Trump. Two wrongs can exist at the same time. Picking and choosing wrongs like BigGully was doing earlier in the thread is a bit odd. Trump is a still wrong and the protests are because he is wrong.





Wrong.

Yeah, but what about?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I love all this judging people on previous events. Humans aren't robots, people learn, change, do things wrong. Should they carry on doing things wrong? I agree that meeting Emir was wrong, but he's not wrong now.

It's like people being happy with Trump because it's not as bad as what else is going on around the world, for example Russia is removing protection for victims of domestic violence. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/30/russia-decriminalise-domestic-violence-laws

It's wrong, and so is Trump. Two wrongs can exist at the same time. Picking and choosing wrongs like BigGully was doing earlier in the thread is a bit odd. Trump is a still wrong and the protests are because he is wrong.





Wrong.

I love it to.

Mr Speaker's speech, President Xi Jinping's address to Parliament

The Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, delivered a welcome speech prior to the President of the People's Republic of China, Xi Jinping's, address to members of both Houses of Parliament on Tuesday 20 October in the Royal Gallery of the Palace of Westminster.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/...-president-xi-jinpings-address-to-parliament/

If people had a litlle more consistency in their outrage and condemnation they might be taken more seriously.

 

[studio150]

Are we not in danger of being sucked in to a media frenzy and Facebook campaign of anti Trump activists?
I have no respect for the man and despise what he says......but he has killed nobody, yet .

Other than the American soldier and 9 year old child and 28 other civilians in the raid in Yemen that he signed off on days into office without having sufficient intelligence or air support in place.
In fact the main target for the raid was not captured and is now taunting Trump online about the raid.

 

[ROSM]

I love it to.

Mr Speaker's speech, President Xi Jinping's address to Parliament

The Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, delivered a welcome speech prior to the President of the People's Republic of China, Xi Jinping's, address to members of both Houses of Parliament on Tuesday 20 October in the Royal Gallery of the Palace of Westminster.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/...-president-xi-jinpings-address-to-parliament/

If people had a litlle more consistency in their outrage and condemnation they might be taken more seriously.

Did you actually read his speech? It's very pointed and highlights the need to improve the situation and liberty of citizens.

In diplomatic terms and to a country that studies things in detail like the Chinese, it's clear what he means.

Clearly Bercow is cleverer than you give him credit him. He uses a style and language that the recipient will understand and take note of. For the Chinese it's a carefully worded introduction with nuance and subtlety; quoting proverbs.

For Trump, it's shorter, more blunt and to the point. Pity he didn't keep it to 140 characters and use words like 'yooj' 'bigly' and 'bragadocious'. Or ones like 'fake news', 'bad' or 'nasty'

 

[studio150]

I think I am right in saying that the Speaker is in charge of procedure and the rules of the house...if he feels that Trump should not address the house he is merely doing his job.. Oh, plus we still live in a democracy, just.

Maybe we should have that nice Mr Putin come over next and give us some pointers on successful democracy?... We might bag a decent deal on Salt as a bonus...

Indeed as Dennis Skinner said after the Speakers speech 'in respect of that point or order two words well done'

There is a big clue at the start 'point of order' which the Speaker is rightly controlling.

There is nothing to stop Mrs May inviting Trump over and hiring out the O2 for Trump to give a speech to MPs who want to go along. He just won't have the historic setting of the houses of parliament.
Anyway many MPs have already said they won't attend any Trump speech.

You've got to admire our Brexit friends who keep shouting we've got our country back we can make our own decisions again. But as soon as a decision is made which correctly follows the UK legal position they don't like it.

What next from Trump a tirade against ?? Whatever it is you will hear first on twitter

 

[Soulman]

You seem a little incensed that a a member of the British politique has spoken out against an American president, who has been in the job for 3 weeks. What do you consider he has done that is worthy to be afforded the honour of addressing the British parliament?

I never said that Trump should be "afforded the honour of addressing the British parliament ", I actually think he should not, at the present time.
I do feel, as stated that Bercow (not for the first time) should put these issues to the house, not put his biased view on it with a speech.
I believe he is getting above his station again.

 

[daveinprague]

I never said that Trump should be "afforded the honour of addressing the British parliament ", I actually think he should not, at the present time.
I do feel, as stated that Bercow (not for the first time) should put these issues to the house, not put his biased view on it with a speech.
I believe he is getting above his station again.

Im not entirely sure that his view is not in line with the values of the country. Trump has exhibited signs of racism, xenophobia, sexism, division, and other isms, generally a sex pest, and who also heads an administration that makes up complete stories to con the electorate. I would have thought that nobody in the country would want him in our parliament.

 

[melias shoes]

I love all this judging people on previous events. Humans aren't robots, people learn, change, do things wrong. Should they carry on doing things wrong? I agree that meeting Emir was wrong, but he's not wrong now.

It's like people being happy with Trump because it's not as bad as what else is going on around the world, for example Russia is removing protection for victims of domestic violence. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/30/russia-decriminalise-domestic-violence-laws

It's wrong, and so is Trump. Two wrongs can exist at the same time. Picking and choosing wrongs like BigGully was doing earlier in the thread is a bit odd. Trump is a still wrong and the protests are because he is wrong.





Wrong.

So it's wrong to judge people on past events? When it suits eh?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I never said that Trump should be "afforded the honour of addressing the British parliament ", I actually think he should not, at the present time.
I do feel, as stated that Bercow (not for the first time) should put these issues to the house, not put his biased view on it with a speech.
I believe he is getting above his station again.

As has been explained multiple times, this call is ENTIRELY within The Speaker's 'station'.

 

[Soulman]

As has been explained multiple times, this call is ENTIRELY within The Speaker's 'station'.

Not bothered if you feel it is within his station, many including MP's feel it is not.

 

[Soulman]

So it's wrong to judge people on past events? When it suits eh?

Yep, democracy when it suits.

 

[vegster]

Im not entirely sure that his view is not in line with the values of the country. Trump has exhibited signs of racism, xenophobia, sexism, division, and other isms, generally a sex pest, and who also heads an administration that makes up complete stories to con the electorate. I would have thought that nobody in the country would want him in our parliament.

This with multitudinous bells on.

 

[MattBackHome]

Not bothered if you feel it is within his station, many including MP's feel it is not.

It's not about what anyone feels. It's an undeniable fact that the decision to not invite someone to address parliament is entirely within the remit of the speaker of the house. There is literally no argument here.

The argument is whether or not his decision is correct.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Did you actually read his speech? It's very pointed and highlights the need to improve the situation and liberty of citizens.

In diplomatic terms and to a country that studies things in detail like the Chinese, it's clear what he means.

Clearly Bercow is cleverer than you give him credit him. He uses a style and language that the recipient will understand and take note of. For the Chinese it's a carefully worded introduction with nuance and subtlety; quoting proverbs.

For Trump, it's shorter, more blunt and to the point. Pity he didn't keep it to 140 characters and use words like 'yooj' 'bigly' and 'bragadocious'. Or ones like 'fake news', 'bad' or 'nasty'

Yes I did. A pointed speech by diplomatic/Chinese standards that just about kept to the right side of the line. He could/should have done the same with Trump.

Cobblers, Bercow's ego is legendary. He is coming to the end of his tenure so expect to see more grandstanding in the coming months ... adding value to the inevitable autobiography.

 

[studio150]

Trump at his best, there are so many terrorist attacks in Europe that they are no longer reported!!!!!!!!!!!

Then his press team list attacks they say were not reported, when they had wide coverage at the time.

This is surely getting onto the levels of Stalin in terms of looking to control the press.

 

[mikeyjh]

Not bothered if you feel it is within his station, many including MP's feel it is not.

It doesn't matter what yourself, MPs or others 'feel', it's a matter of fact. You could argue that he should go along with the government if you wish, but it's pointless to argue that it isn't within his purview. Because it is.

 

[BLOCK F]

Im not entirely sure that his view is not in line with the values of the country. Trump has exhibited signs of racism, xenophobia, sexism, division, and other isms, generally a sex pest, and who also heads an administration that makes up complete stories to con the electorate. I would have thought that nobody in the country would want him in our parliament.

I reckon there are quite a lot of our own politicians in parliament who have expressed all manner of 'isms , 'obias, and general pestilence, either in private or public or both, already.
Don't think a ban on Trump addressing parliament will achieve anything. Personally, I would rather it was out there for all to see and hear.Would be interesting, but others may disagree