Bladders
Twats everywhere
When Trump starts gassing people and invading Mexico and Canada with his sights on world domination then I'll worry.
I'm not sure annoying Mexicans and liberals counts at the moment.
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Prevent Donald Trump from making a state visit to the United Kingdom - petition
- Thread starter Wozza
- Start date
When Trump starts gassing people and invading Mexico and Canada with his sights on world domination then I'll worry.
I'm not sure annoying Mexicans and liberals counts at the moment.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,331
i was wondering this, but there is actually a non-Trump sensible explanation - its the countries already on the US naughty list, export bans and other restrictions already in place for those countries. now the reasons for the obvious exclusions from that list are of course the same, there's too many vested interests.
The Wizard
Well-known member
- Jul 2, 2009
- 18,383
Nobody has yet given a definite reason why this petition has any legs to stand on? So we want to ban him entering the UK for what reason? Genuinely interested.. or is it really just a case of 'we don't like your policies so ner ner ner you aren't coming in'
I've yet to read a legitimate reason that actually stands for barring him.
I've yet to read a legitimate reason that actually stands for barring him.
It's a petition against affording him a state visit.
Bladders
Twats everywhere
The U.S are currently supporting and helping SA bomb the shit out of Yemen.
Another hangover from the Obama administration.........but its Obama so its all ok.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
He's not doing that. He's presiding over a barrage of misinformation that is designed to intimidate innocent people. His sidekick has apparently told Boris Johnson that the travel ban won't apply to dual citizens like Mo Farah, while the US embassy in London is say that anyone with dual citizenship with Somalia, like Mo Farah, won't be granted permission to render the US.
All that Trump is interested in is being seen to be posturing. Honest government doesn't concern him at all.
Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
- 70,350
US equivalent of us voting in some random chav from TOWIE as PM. Beyond pathetic for a supposed first world nation.
Gully Forever
Well-known member
- May 9, 2011
- 1,541
can we just abolish the monarchy, Far more satisfiying!.
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,199
It's click bait. In every sense of the term.
brightn'ove
cringe
How about trying to stop it before it happens?
Then you do not understand what click bait is.
studio150
Well-known member
Lord Bracknell
On fire
No it's not. You have to do more than just click on a link to register your support for the petition.
The Wizard
Well-known member
- Jul 2, 2009
- 18,383
Apologies I misread the petition, still the question stands: on what basis
Should he be not allowed to conduct his state visit?
Tyrone Biggums
Well-known member
Waste of money i'd reckon.
He's banned some British citizens from travelling to the US because of the country of their birth. I guess that might have something to do with it.
Psychobilly freakout
HellBilly
I never knew this, but Trump is doing nothing new in America.
In his 1905 State of the Union address, President Theodore Roosevelt had spoken of the need “to keep out all immigrants who will not make good American citizens.”
Unlike modern presidents, Roosevelt did not view Islam as a force for good. Instead he had described Muslims as “enemies of civilization”, writing that, “The civilization of Europe, America and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization", praising Charles Martel and John Sobieski for throwing back the "Moslem conquerors" whose depredations had caused Christianity to have "practically vanished from the two continents."
A hundred years ago, Muslims were furious over an immigration bill whose origins lay with advocacy by a headstrong and loudmouthed Republican in the White House.
The anti-immigration bill offended the Ottoman Empire, the rotting Caliphate of Islam soon to be defeated at the hands of America and the West, by banning the entry of “all polygamists, or persons who admit their belief in the practice of polygamy.”
This, as was pointed out at the time, would prohibit the entry of the “entire Mohammedan world” into the United States.
And indeed it would.
The battle had begun earlier when President Theodore Roosevelt had declared in his State of the Union address back in 1906 that Congress needed to have the power to “deal radically and efficiently with polygamy.” The Immigration Act of 1907, signed into law by President Theodore Roosevelt, had banned “polygamists, or persons who admit their belief in the practice of polygamy.”
It was the last part that was most significant because it made clear what had only been implied.
The Immigration Act of 1891 had merely banned polygamists. The newest law banned anyone who believed in the practice of polygamy. That group included every faithful believing Muslim.
The Ottoman Empire’s representatives argued that their immigrants believed in the practice of polygamy, but wouldn’t actually take more than one wife. This argument echoes the current contention that Muslim immigrants may believe in a Jihad against non-Muslims without actually engaging in terrorism. That type of argument proved far less convincing to Americans than it does today.
Muslim immigration was still slight at the time and bans on polygamy had not been created to deliberately target them, but the Muslim practice of an act repulsive to most Americans even back then pitted their cries of discrimination and victimhood against the values of the nation. The Immigration Act of 1907 had been meant to select only those immigrants who would make good Americans.
In his 1905 State of the Union address, President Theodore Roosevelt had spoken of the need “to keep out all immigrants who will not make good American citizens.”
Unlike modern presidents, Roosevelt did not view Islam as a force for good. Instead he had described Muslims as “enemies of civilization”, writing that, “The civilization of Europe, America and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization", praising Charles Martel and John Sobieski for throwing back the "Moslem conquerors" whose depredations had caused Christianity to have "practically vanished from the two continents."
A hundred years ago, Muslims were furious over an immigration bill whose origins lay with advocacy by a headstrong and loudmouthed Republican in the White House.
The anti-immigration bill offended the Ottoman Empire, the rotting Caliphate of Islam soon to be defeated at the hands of America and the West, by banning the entry of “all polygamists, or persons who admit their belief in the practice of polygamy.”
This, as was pointed out at the time, would prohibit the entry of the “entire Mohammedan world” into the United States.
And indeed it would.
The battle had begun earlier when President Theodore Roosevelt had declared in his State of the Union address back in 1906 that Congress needed to have the power to “deal radically and efficiently with polygamy.” The Immigration Act of 1907, signed into law by President Theodore Roosevelt, had banned “polygamists, or persons who admit their belief in the practice of polygamy.”
It was the last part that was most significant because it made clear what had only been implied.
The Immigration Act of 1891 had merely banned polygamists. The newest law banned anyone who believed in the practice of polygamy. That group included every faithful believing Muslim.
The Ottoman Empire’s representatives argued that their immigrants believed in the practice of polygamy, but wouldn’t actually take more than one wife. This argument echoes the current contention that Muslim immigrants may believe in a Jihad against non-Muslims without actually engaging in terrorism. That type of argument proved far less convincing to Americans than it does today.
Muslim immigration was still slight at the time and bans on polygamy had not been created to deliberately target them, but the Muslim practice of an act repulsive to most Americans even back then pitted their cries of discrimination and victimhood against the values of the nation. The Immigration Act of 1907 had been meant to select only those immigrants who would make good Americans.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,331
its actually nothing to do with any particular policy, the petition is simply "Donald Trump's well documented misogyny and vulgarity disqualifies him from being received by Her Majesty the Queen". so really just projecting the general dislike of Trump.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
It makes for very bad law indeed, if it is based on targeting "people who might believe in" something.
Chief Wiggum
New member
- Apr 30, 2009
- 518
