[Politics] Brexit

[Baldseagull]

Would the financial sector want to go to Europe given the way the industry fought against the restrictions and more regulations placed on them by Brussels. I don't think finance and the EU are very good bedfellows.

No they wouldn't want to, but if the only way to do business in the EU is to reside within it's borders, some of the business currently here, will move there. It could be a massive blow for us.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Of course you can. The Referendum was merely advisory. Now that we have a clearer idea of what a post-Brexit world might look like, we're all in a better position to assess things. At some stage someone sensible will hopefully say "I know we had a Referendum, but Brexit is clearly going to be an economic and political disaster. Let's re-evaluate." If that happened the whole world could breathe a sigh of relief and we could get back to doing the things that are being sacrificed in this crazy Brexit project (like properly funding the NHS, for example).

You are the Ben'sgrandad of this thread mate. Buy a left back, leave won't really happen. Keep dreaming.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Of course you can. The Referendum was merely advisory. Now that we have a clearer idea of what a post-Brexit world might look like, we're all in a better position to assess things. At some stage someone sensible will hopefully say "I know we had a Referendum, but Brexit is clearly going to be an economic and political disaster. Let's re-evaluate." If that happened the whole world could breathe a sigh of relief and we could get back to doing the things that are being sacrificed in this crazy Brexit project (like properly funding the NHS, for example).

...the NHS as you say, and other things to, such as reinstating Churchill's dream of 1948 - “We hope to reach again a Europe united but purged of the slavery of ancient, classical times - a Europe in which men will be proud to say, ‘I am a European’. We hope to see a Europe where men of every country will think as much of being a European as of belonging to their native land, and that without losing any part of their love and loyalty to their birthplace. We hope that wherever they go in this wide domain, to which we set no limits in the European continent, they will truly feel ‘Here I am at home. I am a citizen of this country too.’”

Some people see stopping freedom of movement as a wonderful prize. Millions of us see it as a terrible price.

 

[portslade seagull]

Of course you can. The Referendum was merely advisory. Now that we have a clearer idea of what a post-Brexit world might look like, we're all in a better position to assess things. At some stage someone sensible will hopefully say "I know we had a Referendum, but Brexit is clearly going to be an economic and political disaster. Let's re-evaluate." If that happened the whole world could breathe a sigh of relief and we could get back to doing the things that are being sacrificed in this crazy Brexit project (like properly funding the NHS, for example).

I know more who would vote out now who actually originally voted to stay in due to the bad loser syndrome

 

[Baldseagull]

Thought I would cheer up the leavers with this latest news item

http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-hints-at-transitional-brexit-deal-10666368

They must be pleased that could be a soft landing with no cliff edge fall

That would be best for most of us, but I guess it is not just down to us, if it means joining EFTA or EEA, that will have to be agreed by the current members, anything else would be at the discretion of the EU.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

...the NHS as you say, and other things to, such as reinstating Churchill's dream of 1948 - “We hope to reach again a Europe united but purged of the slavery of ancient, classical times - a Europe in which men will be proud to say, ‘I am a European’. We hope to see a Europe where men of every country will think as much of being a European as of belonging to their native land, and that without losing any part of their love and loyalty to their birthplace. We hope that wherever they go in this wide domain, to which we set no limits in the European continent, they will truly feel ‘Here I am at home. I am a citizen of this country too.’”

Some people see stopping freedom of movement as a wonderful prize. Millions of us see it as a terrible price.

Please stop misrepresenting Churchill. He never expected us to be in 'that' Europe.

 

[GT49er]

Of course you can. The Referendum was merely advisory. Now that we have a clearer idea of what a post-Brexit world might look like, we're all in a better position to assess things. At some stage someone sensible will hopefully say "I know we had a Referendum, but Brexit is clearly going to be an economic and political disaster. Let's re-evaluate." If that happened the whole world could breathe a sigh of relief and we could get back to doing the things that are being sacrificed in this crazy Brexit project (like properly funding the NHS, for example).

Such a shame Bozza removed the thumbs down option.

 

[studio150]

I know more who would vote out now who actually originally voted to stay in due to the bad loser syndrome

So not voting on the issues, what a great way to decide on which way to vote.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

...the NHS as you say, and other things to, such as reinstating Churchill's dream of 1948 - “We hope to reach again a Europe united but purged of the slavery of ancient, classical times - a Europe in which men will be proud to say, ‘I am a European’. We hope to see a Europe where men of every country will think as much of being a European as of belonging to their native land, and that without losing any part of their love and loyalty to their birthplace. We hope that wherever they go in this wide domain, to which we set no limits in the European continent, they will truly feel ‘Here I am at home. I am a citizen of this country too.’”

Some people see stopping freedom of movement as a wonderful prize. Millions of us see it as a terrible price.

Winston Churchill was a Tory Prime Minister.
Edward Heath was another Tory Prime Minister.He took us into the EU without consulting the people (only later ratified in a referendum called by the subsequent Labour Government).
Margaret Thatcher campaigned on the yes side in 1975, proposed common European defense in 1978 and signed the act that brought us the Single European market whilst PM.
John Major, another Tory, backed Maastricht , the ERM and the Single Market, all of which funnily enough were supported by big business.
The Remain campaign was led by David Cameron and George Osborne.

There is a bit of a trend there I reckon

 

[GT49er]

So not voting on the issues, what a great way to decide on which way to vote.

That is the issue now - whether the politicians in the Westminster bubble, who are overwhelmingly pro-EU think they can get away with defying the result of a democratic referendum which they voted to hold, and whether the electorate will let them get away with it.

The deal we get doesn't hinge on what some sort of second referendum decides we want - the deal will be the best we can get that the EU will agree to. End of.

 

[Baldseagull]

...the NHS as you say, and other things to, such as reinstating Churchill's dream of 1948 - “We hope to reach again a Europe united but purged of the slavery of ancient, classical times - a Europe in which men will be proud to say, ‘I am a European’. We hope to see a Europe where men of every country will think as much of being a European as of belonging to their native land, and that without losing any part of their love and loyalty to their birthplace. We hope that wherever they go in this wide domain, to which we set no limits in the European continent, they will truly feel ‘Here I am at home. I am a citizen of this country too.’”

Some people see stopping freedom of movement as a wonderful prize. Millions of us see it as a terrible price.

I agree, and whilst I do believe immigration from the EU is uncomfortably high, the long term solution is to decrease the disparity in wages and opportunity between here and elsewhere, the EU made a provision that access from the accession countries could be controlled for the first 7 years, to give some time for EU grants and incentives to take effect. If we had limited initial numbers, I doubt we would be on the brink of leaving the EU now.

 

[studio150]

That is the issue now - whether the politicians in the Westminster bubble, who are overwhelmingly pro-EU think they can get away with defying the result of a democratic referendum which they voted to hold, and whether the electorate will let them get away with it.

The deal we get doesn't hinge on what some sort of second referendum decides we want - the deal will be the best we can get that the EU will agree to. End of.

I dont disagree. I just believe that the best deal for Britain will result in higher borrowing higher inflation and a poorer country but that's that was voted for.

 

[drew]

So not voting on the issues, what a great way to decide on which way to vote.

That was probably the problem with the first vote!!!!

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

That was probably the problem with the first vote!!!!

Yes, remainers didn't think about what they were voting for.

 

[Brighton Mod]

No they wouldn't want to, but if the only way to do business in the EU is to reside within it's borders, some of the business currently here, will move there. It could be a massive blow for us.

Really, London is a world centre, not an EU centre for finance. With the uncertainty of what will happen in elections in Germany and France next year the smart money will be waiting to see what happens. The hollow threats from the bankers and now accountants need to be brought to fruition and moving to the Eu will not bring anymore qualified staff to do the job required. Everyone is vying for a position and the 24 hour media hover this speculation up and turn it into a drama. When the first major player goes i'll take notice, until then we shouldn't be stressing.

 

[BadFish]

BrExit discussion, speculation etc... (merged threads)

But we now know that the majority of people in the UK would vote to stay in the EU, were there to be a Referendum today. As a nation we're actually more pro-EU than France and Italy.
I wonder if this information will make any difference to the Brexiteers?

How do we know this? Last time this was voted on the people voted out, and it wasn't that long ago.

 

[BadFish]

Thought I would cheer up the leavers with this latest news item

http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-hints-at-transitional-brexit-deal-10666368

They must be pleased that could be a soft landing with no cliff edge fall

This is the problem with the major leave players jumping ship after the victory.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Please stop misrepresenting Churchill. He never expected us to be in 'that' Europe.

I'm not. He did.

 

[BadFish]

Of course you can. The Referendum was merely advisory. Now that we have a clearer idea of what a post-Brexit world might look like, we're all in a better position to assess things. At some stage someone sensible will hopefully say "I know we had a Referendum, but Brexit is clearly going to be an economic and political disaster. Let's re-evaluate." If that happened the whole world could breathe a sigh of relief and we could get back to doing the things that are being sacrificed in this crazy Brexit project (like properly funding the NHS, for example).

This was all said in the run up to the vote as was the alternate view. People made their decision and now the only question left is how best to implement the exit.

 

[dazzer6666]

Really, London is a world centre, not an EU centre for finance. With the uncertainty of what will happen in elections in Germany and France next year the smart money will be waiting to see what happens. The hollow threats from the bankers and now accountants need to be brought to fruition and moving to the Eu will not bring anymore qualified staff to do the job required. Everyone is vying for a position and the 24 hour media hover this speculation up and turn it into a drama. When the first major player goes i'll take notice, until then we shouldn't be stressing.

Spot on. I work in a 'global' firm (that has already threatened to leave the Uk, but not due to Brexit) and there is always something going on, somewhere. The EU and whether the UK is in or out (for us at least) is nowhere near the top of the list of either threats or opportunities.