[Politics] Brexit

[hans kraay fan club]

She can be whatever you want her to be ........

I'm not sure my wife would approve of that.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

It's a shame that there's not electronic voting, or do it like the Eurovision scoring - all the postal votes get announced before the day and then you get regular updates on the scores on the doors. That would be exiting - "It's Election day, and it's LIVE"

 

[lawros left foot]

Brazilians, I am told .......

Ooooh, i like a Brazilian

 

[Jim in the West]

Absolutely. Paddy Power are not doing odds on %ages else would have a pop at 55%. Just doing Remain to win at 12/1 on, I.e don't bother.

Ladbrokes are. Remain 50 - 55% is currently 6/4, which is not bad given that Remain (any margin) is 1/6

 

[fleet]

I'm guessing that there will be an exit poll just after the voting closes that will be reasonably close to the final outcome - so either it will be obvious then or we will know about 5 or 6 am, so not a lot of point doing the bit in between.

 

[melias shoes]

The entire staff of Sports Direct in North Street, for starters.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

There'll be an exit poll published at 10pm - not definitive, but will be a good indication. Logically, given financial institutions are doing their own exit polling today, any obvious signs of a Leave vote would have caused a lot of nervousness on financial markets. Given both Sterling and the FTSE (and every other risk asset) has shown gains today, you would think that the private exit polls are indicating a Remain vote. We'll find out soon!

I'm guessing that there will be an exit poll just after the voting closes that will be reasonably close to the final outcome - so either it will be obvious then or we will know about 5 or 6 am, so not a lot of point doing the bit in between.

No exit poll today. Sky have paid YouGov to do a normal poll, i.e. telephone or internet or whatever they do, but there will be no actual exit poll. Banks are doing their own polling for their staff only, so if you know how to read a sterling derivatives market, then you could read the result.

Thats what i read in the Grauniad anyway

 

[Billy the Fish]

But since the 70's they all have lived through a period of growing prosperity, most have pensions my generation can only dream about, paid off houses that now worth a load and spare cash to travel. Life could be worse...

Just don't get it, they've done well out of Europe. Now suddenly getting out will solve everything that is wrong with the country. I just don't get it, they seems to be living on false nostalgia.

The majority of the EU (or EEC) that they lived through didn't have it's own currency, parliament and president. The EU of the last 10 years is a different animal, I'm voting against the EU in it's current form.

 

[Hamilton]

Well you might of wanted to mention in your original post how our own low skilled workers are being displaced and being priced down out of the market, you implied that there was a skills shortage and that immigration was the necessary answer, when the figures just do not stack up, you called it a Red Herring, Red Herring my arse !!!

Why couldn't a points system address this issue rather than suck in millions of migrants for a skill shortage of a few hundred thousand, thats an issue that all of Europe will need to address.

Because a points system for our country would be totally unworkable. The breadth of skills required to a) maintain the infrastructure and keep the lights on, and b) enable UK plc to meet its growth requirements is huge.

As part of my work I spend long periods of time analyzing workplace and talent requirements. The one thing I have observed is that the skills shortage is chronic and widespread.

I'd encourage you to research UK skills crisis. There's plenty of available information. It's quite alarming.

I'd then encourage research around aging Britain - with specific examination of the 50 year old + bracket and retirement ages. The loss of skills in 10 years time is very concerning.

Next I'd research the pensions crisis, and the gap between what the country can afford and what it can't afford at current forecast of GDP.

Then I'd research the skills required for growth in a competitive economy. Take a look at the number of grads that China and India are pushing out as a percentage of population and at the nature of the qualifications. They are focused on hi-tech, pharma, nano-technology and growing in all forms of services. Soon, we won't have to worry about boatloads of immigrants arriving here, but more about how we can get on a boat and go there.

Take these 4 complex issues alone and mash them together and you'll reach the conclusion that we need access to a wide range of skills to put this country in the vanguard of the economies.

If anyone on here tells you they understand this issue inside out, then they are wrong. It's very complex. The only thing I do realise is that the free movement of skills and giving those skills easy access to our market is essential.

However, you raise a very important point in the depression of wages for low skilled workers. This actually extends to semi-skilled workers too. This is something that must be offset. That is up to UK parliament. The pinch is being felt even more at the moment due to the austerity policies that have radically cut welfare payments to many on low wages. We can debate whether that is right or wrong - should the government focus on raising tax receipts or on cutting costs? I'm sure we'll all have a view. Regardless of our viewpoints, government must address this. However, denying our economy access to a well educated talent pool (that we haven't paid for I might add) and by association the skills we require, is not the answer. It's a backward step.

I want my children's children (I'm that old now) to grow up in a country whose education system is trotting out more scientists than low skilled workers. I want them to go into diverse workplaces so they understand international cultural nuances. I want them to be in a country that is connected with the outside world and leading.

That is why the immigration issue is a red herring.


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[lawros left foot]

Because a points system for our country would be totally unworkable. The breadth of skills required to a) maintain the infrastructure and keep the lights on, and b) enable UK plc to meet its growth requirements is huge.

As part of my work I spend long periods of time analyzing workplace and talent requirements. The one thing I have observed is that the skills shortage is chronic and widespread.

I'd encourage you to research UK skills crisis. There's plenty of available information. It's quite alarming.

I'd then encourage research around aging Britain - with specific examination of the 50 year old + bracket and retirement ages. The loss of skills in 10 years time is very concerning.

Next I'd research the pensions crisis, and the gap between what the country can afford and what it can't afford at current forecast of GDP.

Then I'd research the skills required for growth in a competitive economy. Take a look at the number of grads that China and India are pushing out as a percentage of population and at the nature of the qualifications. They are focused on hi-tech, pharma, nano-technology and growing in all forms of services. Soon, we won't have to worry about boatloads of immigrants arriving here, but more about how we can get on a boat and go there.

Take these 4 complex issues alone and mash them together and you'll reach the conclusion that we need access to a wide range of skills to put this country in the vanguard of the economies.

If anyone on here tells you they understand this issue inside out, then they are wrong. It's very complex. The only thing I do realise is that the free movement of skills and giving those skills easy access to our market is essential.

However, you raise a very important point in the depression of wages for low skilled workers. This actually extends to semi-skilled workers too. This is something that must be offset. That is up to UK parliament. The pinch is being felt even more at the moment due to the austerity policies that have radically cut welfare payments to many on low wages. We can debate whether that is right or wrong - should the government focus on raising tax receipts or on cutting costs? I'm sure we'll all have a view. Regardless of our viewpoints, government must address this. However, denying our economy access to a well educated talent pool (that we haven't paid for I might add) and by association the skills we require, is not the answer. It's a backward step.

I want my children's children (I'm that old now) to grow up in a country whose education system is trotting out more scientists than low skilled workers. I want them to go into diverse workplaces so they understand international cultural nuances. I want them to be in a country that is connected with the outside world and leading.

That is why the immigration issue is a red herring.


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Excellent post,Sir

 

[ROSM]

There isn't a broadcaster exit poll as there is no baseline to work on. Exit polls take the outcomes from the last one and then document changes to extrapolate to a predicted result.

There are a number of private exit polls which will be similar to opinion polls only after people have voted and many institutions will use this to try and steal a March on the markets.

It's illegals for any of these bodies to publish their answers before 10pm tonight

 

[AmexRuislip]

After dropping cat off at cattery this morning, went to go and vote.
Set off for week away in the Cotswolds.
Whilst driving on M40, was held up by overturned lorry carrying offal.
So in short will not be staying up all night, as one lot of offal in a day is enough.

 

[ManOfSussex]

82% chance of 'Remain' according to this - http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/chance-brexit-plunges-time-low-17-per-cent/

 

[pastafarian]

The mighty people of Bognor are speaking as one at the polls. Massive turn out so far!

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ive never seen the polling station so busy in worthing,turn out must be high surely,even in this appaling weather
i know its worthing etc but i hardly saw anyone under 60,it was wheelchair and mobility scooter havoc near me

 

[Murray 17]

Because a points system for our country would be totally unworkable. The breadth of skills required to a) maintain the infrastructure and keep the lights on, and b) enable UK plc to meet its growth requirements is huge.

As part of my work I spend long periods of time analyzing workplace and talent requirements. The one thing I have observed is that the skills shortage is chronic and widespread.

I'd encourage you to research UK skills crisis. There's plenty of available information. It's quite alarming.

I'd then encourage research around aging Britain - with specific examination of the 50 year old + bracket and retirement ages. The loss of skills in 10 years time is very concerning.

Next I'd research the pensions crisis, and the gap between what the country can afford and what it can't afford at current forecast of GDP.

Then I'd research the skills required for growth in a competitive economy. Take a look at the number of grads that China and India are pushing out as a percentage of population and at the nature of the qualifications. They are focused on hi-tech, pharma, nano-technology and growing in all forms of services. Soon, we won't have to worry about boatloads of immigrants arriving here, but more about how we can get on a boat and go there.

Take these 4 complex issues alone and mash them together and you'll reach the conclusion that we need access to a wide range of skills to put this country in the vanguard of the economies.

If anyone on here tells you they understand this issue inside out, then they are wrong. It's very complex. The only thing I do realise is that the free movement of skills and giving those skills easy access to our market is essential.

However, you raise a very important point in the depression of wages for low skilled workers. This actually extends to semi-skilled workers too. This is something that must be offset. That is up to UK parliament. The pinch is being felt even more at the moment due to the austerity policies that have radically cut welfare payments to many on low wages. We can debate whether that is right or wrong - should the government focus on raising tax receipts or on cutting costs? I'm sure we'll all have a view. Regardless of our viewpoints, government must address this. However, denying our economy access to a well educated talent pool (that we haven't paid for I might add) and by association the skills we require, is not the answer. It's a backward step.

I want my children's children (I'm that old now) to grow up in a country whose education system is trotting out more scientists than low skilled workers. I want them to go into diverse workplaces so they understand international cultural nuances. I want them to be in a country that is connected with the outside world and leading.

That is why the immigration issue is a red herring.


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Interesting post.

How would you feel if your grandchildren were 'given' a school that you didn't want them to go to, because places at the schools you did want, were taken by the children of these workers?

That's the situation that we have found ourselves in. It now also looks like our daughter will be 'sent' to PACA, again, against our wishes, if the population in central Hove continues to rise at its current rate.

Theories are fine, but it is the reality of 100s/1000s of people moving into B&H each year, which has had an immediate and detrimental impact on us

 

[Hamilton]

Interesting post.

How would you feel if your grandchildren were 'given' a school that you didn't want them to go to, because places at the schools you did want, were taken by the children of these workers?

That's the situation that we have found ourselves in. It now also looks like our daughter will be 'sent' to PACA, again, against our wishes, if the population in central Hove continues to rise at its current rate.

Theories are fine, but it is the reality of 100s/1000s of people moving into B&H each year, which has had an immediate and detrimental impact on us

Bloody pissed off.

But I'd pose this question back to us all. How would we feel if we invested in building the schools required to ensure all our grandchildren had access to state of the art education? It could be done.

Investment in our schools has been non-existent for a decade. I think it's time that stopped. Invest to profit.


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[lawros left foot]

ive never seen the polling station so busy in worthing,turn out must be high surely,even in this appaling weather
i know its worthing etc but i hardly saw anyone under 60,it was wheelchair and mobility scooter havoc near me

Just taken my 86 year old mum to vote in Worthing, quite busy, and she was the only OAP in there.

She voted Remain, btw

 

[Soulman]

ive never seen the polling station so busy in worthing,turn out must be high surely,even in this appaling weather
i know its worthing etc but i hardly saw anyone under 60,it was wheelchair and mobility scooter havoc near me

Just got back from work and popped round to my polling station, a few work vans turned up so hopefully they are putting their X's in the right place.

 

[Soulman]

Just taken my 86 year old mum to vote in Worthing, quite busy, and she was the only OAP in there.

She voted Remain, btw

Hopefully your brother will vote, shame he did not take your Mum down eh.

 

[Murray 17]

Bloody pissed off.

But I'd pose this question back to us all. How would we feel if we invested in building the schools required to ensure all our grandchildren had access to state of the art education? It could be done.

Investment in our schools has been non-existent for a decade. I think it's time that stopped. Invest to profit.


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Yes, that's exactly how we feel!

Again, the theory of a successful economy creating money to invest in the state is just that - a theory.

Like others on another thread have said, tomorrow won't be the end of it. If Remain is victorious by just a few percent, I think they'll be a big increase in anti-EU feeling and support for UKIP.