Hampster Gull
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They aren't. Have you seen where Turkey is located, they are a strategic ally. Unleqss you want to war with everyone?
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They aren't. Have you seen where Turkey is located, they are a strategic ally. Unleqss you want to war with everyone?
- Apr 5, 2014
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A German friend has just mentioned about people in the debate suggesting 'Britain is the greatest country in the world'.
''Germany experimented with this "ueber alles" concept, and I can wholeheartedly advise that imagined superiority is a shite idea''.
''Germany experimented with this "ueber alles" concept, and I can wholeheartedly advise that imagined superiority is a shite idea''.
portslade seagull
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just facts, just facts, and of course a few opinions thrown in
Think either side will be hard pressed to come up with 5 facts. More like untruth,more untruths and your own opinion
East Preston Gull
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Absolutely a free country. This is debatable if we remain. I have no problem with your sentiments, but you claim to be not interested but your amount of postings suggest you are. Either way, it has been fun.
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Hampster Gull
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The trouble with looking forward is there are few facts, for that certainty you need to look backwards. But some issues can be forecast with reasonable probability
East Preston Gull
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On a side note. The BBC advertised this as a public debate. I think I counted four questions from us and the rest was comment from all the great and good.
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For whats it worth, both the BBC News and the Guardian say Leave won it tonight. Although in the Guardian, that will disappear by tomorrow so here it is
What was striking, though, was how Leave has managed to get to the end of the campaign, with expert economic opinion almost unanimous in saying Brexit would harm the economy and no one having the first idea what post-Brexit trading relationships would look like, and this not being a fatal handicap in a debate of this kind. The format helped tonight, because the participants were not subjected to forensic questioning, but somehow Leave have manage to brush aside all the doubts with breezy optimism. It is not a feat that many people could pull off, but Boris Johnson manages it and for him tonight must rank as a success. Gisela Stuart and Andrea Leadsom were fine too. I found the endless mother/grandmother references a bit much, but I suspect for many viewers they were mildly reassuring.
Remain were underpowered on the economy, and struggling on immigration, but if debates of this kind are judged by how people see them on the TV news - and for most people that is how they are judged - then they have probably done better than my early snap summaries imply. Sadiq Khan and Ruth Davidson are veterans of mayoral/Scottish debates, but have never been tested on a prime ministerial platform of this kind, and they both acquitted themselves well. Good speakers use lists to make rhetorical points, and Khan and Davidson came pre-prepared with powerful zingers. It was uncanny to hear Khan sound just like David Cameron at one point, but Cameron is generally an effective communicator and Khan is not precious about lifting a good line. Khan and Davidson also challenged Johnson robustly, although it was noticeable that neither of them tried accusing him of opportunism (perhaps a recognition that the Amber Rudd/Angela Eagle/Nicola Sturgeon attacks like this in the ITV debate failed). Frances O’Grady was less flamboyant, but no less impressive, and tonight she may have done more to improve the reputation of trade unionists than anyone has done for years.
What was striking, though, was how Leave has managed to get to the end of the campaign, with expert economic opinion almost unanimous in saying Brexit would harm the economy and no one having the first idea what post-Brexit trading relationships would look like, and this not being a fatal handicap in a debate of this kind. The format helped tonight, because the participants were not subjected to forensic questioning, but somehow Leave have manage to brush aside all the doubts with breezy optimism. It is not a feat that many people could pull off, but Boris Johnson manages it and for him tonight must rank as a success. Gisela Stuart and Andrea Leadsom were fine too. I found the endless mother/grandmother references a bit much, but I suspect for many viewers they were mildly reassuring.
Remain were underpowered on the economy, and struggling on immigration, but if debates of this kind are judged by how people see them on the TV news - and for most people that is how they are judged - then they have probably done better than my early snap summaries imply. Sadiq Khan and Ruth Davidson are veterans of mayoral/Scottish debates, but have never been tested on a prime ministerial platform of this kind, and they both acquitted themselves well. Good speakers use lists to make rhetorical points, and Khan and Davidson came pre-prepared with powerful zingers. It was uncanny to hear Khan sound just like David Cameron at one point, but Cameron is generally an effective communicator and Khan is not precious about lifting a good line. Khan and Davidson also challenged Johnson robustly, although it was noticeable that neither of them tried accusing him of opportunism (perhaps a recognition that the Amber Rudd/Angela Eagle/Nicola Sturgeon attacks like this in the ITV debate failed). Frances O’Grady was less flamboyant, but no less impressive, and tonight she may have done more to improve the reputation of trade unionists than anyone has done for years.
Newsnight tonight. Amber Rudd looking and sounding as stressed as I have ever seen her.
Neville's Breakfast
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how do you know ? do you not think it legitimate to have doubts about this ?
East Preston Gull
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That's it give the bond job to someone else. Traitor to his country and cannot be trusted to guard us citizens. Take him to the Tower and finish him off. Disgrace[emoji26]If you won't listen to the entire economics profession perhaps you need to be shaken, not stirred?
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They can't... it's their modus operandi
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I think Remain won................ if shouting is a measure of success.
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The points emphasis and weight is altered constantly... that's the beauty of the system.... adjust according to need... and that applies to numbers or indeed career or qualifications.
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Albumen
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If you won't listen to the entire economics profession perhaps you need to be shaken, not stirred?
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I've yet to see a creative or sports person that is voting Leave. It's because they tend to get along with different nationalities I guess.
- Apr 13, 2015
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Or could it be that they have pots of cash and make good use of the generous cross border tax offerings?
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If you won't listen to the entire economics profession perhaps you need to be shaken, not stirred?
Matron!
You've almost got me....love Daniel Craig! But how is Q voting??
I put up a few on the other thread, Botham was one, Sol Campbell, Roger Daltery etc. I think you will find many others.
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because the EU leaders want Turkey to join and will be aiding them progress their application. they are practically anexed anyway, trade agreement, visa free travel, its membership for practical purposes.