[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

European Parliament, Strasbourg, 08 June 2016

afraid to say,i had to look the figure up
Farage it seems is correct
We are stumping an extra £6 Billion into The Junker Plan

http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-...the-biggest-contribution-to-the-juncker-plan/

 

[5ways]

As does our trade with the rest of the world. What specific factual figure is reliant on EU membership?

43% of exports

 

[Soulman]

afraid to say,i had to look the figure up
Farage it seems is correct
We are stumping an extra £6 Billion into The Junker Plan

http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-...the-biggest-contribution-to-the-juncker-plan/

Yes. On the news after the debate a few of Farage's figures were challenged, like his claim that immigrants did not bring in and pay more in than take out re the economy (a claim that has been put up many times as a massive advantage by the Remainers) seems that the real figures show it is even.

 

[cunning fergus]

Why are you so angry? I suppose it must be difficult dealing with those conflicting emotions as a socialist who supports Nigel Farage, but chill out and have a beer in the sunshine.

0/10 for deflection, it's not me railing against the over 40s and suggesting they should be denied a vote.

While I have my own political view, that does not mean I don't recognise and respect politicians with another ideology. For all his faults and views I disagree with, I do have respect for his commitment to a cause he has campaigned on for over 20 years. In this time he has been vilified sometimes fairly, sometimes not.

I can think of other politicians who I have a much closer aligned view politically, who have been opposed to the EU for longer than Farage but now they have turned themselves 180 degrees to support a cause they don't believe in.

To that extent I have greater respect for Farage than I do Corbyn which does make me angry.

I don't expect a reactionary bigot like you have the mental capacity to process this kind nuance, you enjoy you beer, there's a good lad.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

43% of exports

Incorrect but nice try.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Our EU membership fee in the last parliament would have payed for all the supposed saving's from austerity cuts ... just a thought.

Yes with the rebate we pay in just over 12 billion a year, the government are looking at 16 billion cuts this year, but the government spends over 775 billion a year, the bulk on Military, Welfare, Education and Pensions.

Our economy is much bigger than the 12 billion a year that goes into the EU and its very simplistic to say take from one to pay off another. We gain a lot in benefits and sharing within this, i.e both our Universities are involved in research programmes that can create money that goes into both our local, national and Europeon economies.

So its possible to argue one pays off another, however some cuts are political and some EU money will get wasted but real people lives are affected both ways. Its actually a very small amount and it has a lot of caveats, you could argue both for positive (development) and negative (cost), but we didn't get where we are today by sitting back and not being involved with all the nations and community around us.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

43% of exports

What was that figure pre UK joining common market please...http://www.eu-facts.org.uk/sceptics-handbook/an-overview-of-uk-export-growth-since-1960/

 

[beorhthelm]

If by Junker you mean the EU, its about 0.37 of government yearly spend, you can see it if you have good eyesight

my eyesight (and google) spies the source of that as the rather dodgy economics of Richard Murphy, smelt a rat when i saw reliefs and "implicit bank subsidies" as spending. in reality, if we take a net contribution of £8.5bn and spending of £759bn, its a little over 1.1%. but what does a triffling £8.5bn matter when its so small?

 

[5ways]

Incorrect but nice try.

incorrect because..?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

the bulk on Military, Welfare, Education and Pensions.

Clearly as your graph shows,defence/military is hardly bulk.

 

[5ways]

What was that figure pre UK joining common market please...http://www.eu-facts.org.uk/sceptics-handbook/an-overview-of-uk-export-growth-since-1960/

Looking at the graph kindly provided about 60%.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Looking at the graph kindly provided about 60%.

As maybe,but leaving may not be as big a loss as is being predicted either..

 

[Two Professors]

I'll give HT a big hug when all this is over, if anyone needs it he does.

make sure you've got a stab proof vest on then

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

my eyesight (and google) spies the source of that as the rather dodgy economics of Richard Murphy, smelt a rat when i saw reliefs and "implicit bank subsidies" as spending. in reality, if we take a net contribution of £8.5bn and spending of £759bn, its a little over 1.1%. but what does a triffling £8.5bn matter when its so small?

No Goverment figures as long as you believe they do not lie about the nations accounts,

Same figures used here by the Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...much-of-their-money-is-spent-on-benefits.html

 

[Soulman]

1936 - Adolf Hitler uses the expression ‘United States of Europe’ to describe his plan for a united Europe
1940 - Reichsmarschall Herman Goering coins the name ‘European Economic Community’
1940 - Walther Funk submitted to Hitler plans for an ‘Economic Reorganisation of Europe’ and proposes a single European currency
1942 - Reinhard Heydrich published ‘The Reich Plan for the Domination of Europe’ which later became ‘The Treaty of Rome’
1943 - Thirteen countries are invited to join a European Federation working under German military control
1944 - A German conference is held in Strasbourg to discuss how Germany will dominate the peace when the war ends.
Strange, eh?
Yet our government would have us believe in the European project

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

my eyesight (and google) spies the source of that as the rather dodgy economics of Richard Murphy, smelt a rat when i saw reliefs and "implicit bank subsidies" as spending. in reality, if we take a net contribution of £8.5bn and spending of £759bn, its a little over 1.1%. but what does a triffling £8.5bn matter when its so small?

And by the BBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dokwnx4U1aA

 

[5ways]

As maybe,but leaving may not be as big a loss as is being predicted either..

Seems to me to show Europe has been essential to our economy for decades. Brexit imperils our ability to access our most important and deepest market. I really think if we leave they'll have us over a barrel when we try to get back in.

 

[melias shoes]

We did civilised months ago. Now we're in the trenches slinging insults and scoring points.

Expect most referendum threads will be in the other stuff come the final week of the campaign ... open warfare, democratic debate at it's finest.

Marvellous.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Seems to me to show Europe has been essential to our economy for decades. Brexit imperils our ability to access our most important and deepest market. I really think if we leave they'll have us over a barrel when we try to get back in.

Of course it has,is and will be.. they already have us over a barrel.

 

[The Rivet]

1936 - Adolf Hitler uses the expression ‘United States of Europe’ to describe his plan for a united Europe
1940 - Reichsmarschall Herman Goering coins the name ‘European Economic Community’
1940 - Walther Funk submitted to Hitler plans for an ‘Economic Reorganisation of Europe’ and proposes a single European currency
1942 - Reinhard Heydrich published ‘The Reich Plan for the Domination of Europe’ which later became ‘The Treaty of Rome’
1943 - Thirteen countries are invited to join a European Federation working under German military control
1944 - A German conference is held in Strasbourg to discuss how Germany will dominate the peace when the war ends.
Strange, eh?
Yet our government would have us believe in the European project

Many times wise people reiterated the oft use phrase in one form or another. 'Forget and you are liable to make the same mistakes as others'
It's natural ,every generation thinks it is far superior to the past and soon they ignore the past as irrelevant. Future F*ck up in the offing.