Star Wars: The Force Awakens - with Spoilers - discussion thread

[8ace]

Anyone read this

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Journey-Sta..._UL160_SR106,160_&refRID=0GXN1NF2SYQ4AS8PW2MS

 

[Bladders]

Anyone read this

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Journey-Sta..._UL160_SR106,160_&refRID=0GXN1NF2SYQ4AS8PW2MS

No. What is the overall plot?

Hard to tell from that Amazon link 8ace.

 

[8ace]

No. What is the overall plot?

Hard to tell from that Amazon link 8ace.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lost_Stars

This stuff is all official canon.

There is another book out in this series but it's meant to be shite.

 

[Stat Brother]

Well the last 2 minutes completely ruined that cinematic experience.
I'm sure everyone else has mentioned it but I just have to wade in, too.

Out on the road I've seen things that'll make your teeth itch, including the fella wearing bib tights as dungarees.

Ray was clearly dressed for a swift 30 mile spin, what better way is there to clear your head after a day battling the dark side and finding out you're a Jedi.
Only wearing arm warmers, a gilet, and a sleeveless vest.
What the fook is going to keep the top of her arms warm?

Amateur, rank amateur.



Oh and not enough Jar Jar Binks.

 

[JBizzle]

Only have time for a minor point before dinner but it's been said by Kathleen Kennedy that the "core" Star Wars films will continue to focus on the Skywalker legacy so surely that would imply that Rey is a Skywalker?

Bloody loved the film though. Shivers down the spine, goose bumps, lumps in throat. The full gambit of emotions. Its the film I've wanted since RotJ.

 

[Triggaaar]

Like it. I reckon in the directors cut of ROTJ we will see the scene with Yoda

'Difficult to see the future is, the Jedi must survive. Crack one out in this pot Luke you must, there is a magazine in the cupboard with jabbas dancers in stormtrooper outfits if you need some inpiration'

Oh come on man, make an effort.

'Difficult to see, the future is. Survive, the Jedi must. Into this pot, crack one out, you must. In a magazine, if inspiration you need, Jabbas dancers in stormtrooper's outfits, there is.'

 

[Triggaaar]

This idea that only decedents of a Skywalker can be THAT powerful with the force is just plain wrong.


Sideous was more powerful that Vader, as was Yoda for a start.

Understand, you do not.

Yoda was over 800 years old. What do you know of his training from a young age? And the same applies to Sideous, you know nothing of his training.

They clearly state in the movies that Anakin's kids would be powerful, and Luke is powerful, despite missing the usual Jedi training. Other kids, who are force sensitive, do not have the power of someone like Luke, even if they've been trained from a young age. Average kids who are just force sensitive can not do what Rey does, without prior training (and I don't mean training that she's forgotten about). She is not a nobody.

 

[brakespear]

Well all those star destroyers in the sand on Jakku were from the Battle of Jakku, which took place not long after the Battle of Endor. That wasn't explained in the film at all.

Plagueis has been mentioned in some depth in Revenge of the Sith, and with two more films to come that can be fleshed out a bit.

The hologram didn't resemble Sidious at all imo, in look or mannerisms.

If you search online images of Plagueis they much more resemble the look of Snoke.

Yeah, I know I've got the the (mostly average) book with a decent image on the cover (edit: though of course this book is now of 'Legend' status rather than Canon). Maybe I expressed it wrong, just doesn't seem right to me Don't really know how to explain it

 

[Stat Brother]

But everybody love Raymond, right?

 

[Bladders]

Understand, you do not.

Yoda was over 800 years old. What do you know of his training from a young age? And the same applies to Sideous, you know nothing of his training.

They clearly state in the movies that Anakin's kids would be powerful, and Luke is powerful, despite missing the usual Jedi training. Other kids, who are force sensitive, do not have the power of someone like Luke, even if they've been trained from a young age. Average kids who are just force sensitive can not do what Rey does, without prior training (and I don't mean training that she's forgotten about). She is not a nobody.

Point me to a specific event when any Skywalker showed more power than Yoda, Sidious, Plagious, Windu or Ken obi.

A lot of talk, not the action to back it up. kenobi took out Vader before he became even slower in that suit.

I know the force is not all about fighting with a sabre but overall I think there have been others who have controlled the force a lot better than the Skywalkers.

 

[Bladders]

.......also, if Luke really is that powerful, he would have spanked Ben Solo and Knights of Ren before they knew what day it was.

 

[Triggaaar]

This is what I've been thinking also (assuming she's not a clone of Palpatine).

Palpatine was a man.

I like that but think it might rely on too much background knowledge to be workable - if it's any previous character I reckon it's a mashed up Darth Sidious.

But he doesn't look like Sidious.

I'm not buying this Sister lark of Ben Solo.

In the EU Ben (known as Jacen in the EU) did have a twin sister, Jaina Solo, who was a Jedi Master but no way Rey and Kylo are the same age, and not even sure how Leia and Solo conveniently forgot they had a daughter.

Han and Leia desperately want their murdering son back but were happy to dump his sister on Jakku?

Nah, not for me.

Indeed.

Plagueis has been mentioned in some depth in Revenge of the Sith, and with two more films to come that can be fleshed out a bit.

The hologram didn't resemble Sidious at all imo, in look or mannerisms.

Agreed.

 

[JBizzle]

Anyone read this

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Journey-Sta..._UL160_SR106,160_&refRID=0GXN1NF2SYQ4AS8PW2MS

I have. Surprisingly good actually. It tracks the story of two young kids who grow up to be on different sides of the Galactic Civil War. It's an interesting perspective to see Luke viewed as a terrorist and a murderer by "good people" within the Empire who saw their friends killed on the first Death Star.

 

[Triggaaar]

Point me to a specific event when any Skywalker showed more power than Yoda, Sidious, Plagious, Windu or Ken obi.

I didn't claim that Luke was more powerful than any of those, he only became a Jedi at the end of the trilogy. But he was the focus of attention because they knew he could be powerful, not like your average force sensitive kid. Your average force sensitive kid requires years of training from a young age, which is tricky to do without the eyes of the empire noticing. And Luke did become pretty powerful, he beat Vader in the end. The point here though is that Rey has strong powers already, with very little apparent training. You can't compare her to these others unless you know they also had little training, and we don't have evidence of that - quite the opposite.

A lot of talk, not the action to back it up.

Oh please. I don't make statements and not back them up, show me where I've been asked and not done so.

kenobi took out Vader before he became even slower in that suit.

Kenobi won against Anakin/Vader, but that doesn't mean he was more powerful - everything else in the prequels tells us that Anakin had become more powerful than Obi-wan. Anakin saved Obi-wan 9 times. Anakin defeated Dooku, when Obi-wan couldn't. And Anakin wasn't trained from a young age, he was too old.

I know the force is not all about fighting with a sabre but overall I think there have been others who have controlled the force a lot better than the Skywalkers.

As I said, Luke only just became a Jedi. Anakin would have become the youngest ever master on the Jedi Council, he was still learning. Post Revenge of the Sith. he had no one left to fight, until he faced an equally out of practice Obi-wan, who chose not to fight, so it's difficult to compare Vader with some of the others, but all of the indicators are that he would become more powerful than most.

 

[Stat Brother]

[MENTION=4019]Triggaaar[/MENTION] you do know it's not real, don't you?

 

[Triggaaar]

@Triggaaar you do know it's not real, don't you?

Your lack of faith disturbs me.

 

[Bladders]

I didn't claim that Luke was more powerful than any of those, he only became a Jedi at the end of the trilogy. But he was the focus of attention because they knew he could be powerful, not like your average force sensitive kid. Your average force sensitive kid requires years of training from a young age, which is tricky to do without the eyes of the empire noticing. And Luke did become pretty powerful, he beat Vader in the end. The point here though is that Rey has strong powers already, with very little apparent training. You can't compare her to these others unless you know they also had little training, and we don't have evidence of that - quite the opposite.

Oh please. I don't make statements and not back them up, show me where I've been asked and not done so.
Kenobi won against Anakin/Vader, but that doesn't mean he was more powerful - everything else in the prequels tells us that Anakin had become more powerful than Obi-wan. Anakin saved Obi-wan 9 times. Anakin defeated Dooku, when Obi-wan couldn't. And Anakin wasn't trained from a young age, he was too old.

As I said, Luke only just became a Jedi. Anakin would have become the youngest ever master on the Jedi Council, he was still learning. Post Revenge of the Sith. he had no one left to fight, until he faced an equally out of practice Obi-wan, who chose not to fight, so it's difficult to compare Vader with some of the others, but all of the indicators are that he would become more powerful than most.

A lot of talk re: SKYWALKERS in the films, not that much shown to back it up.

It wasn't aimed at you

 

[Triggaaar]

A lot of talk re: SKYWALKERS in the films, not that much shown to back it up.

It wasn't aimed at you

Oh ok, my apologies.

Re the films - Anakin had the highest ever midi-chlorian count - nothing exciting to us, but the Jedi council thought it significant. Qui-Gon Jinn thought Anakin was the chosen one. Anakin didn't have training when he was young, but while he was still very young he managed to beat Dooku. Dooku wasn't as good as Yoda, but put up a decent fight against him. Anakin was clearly an exceptional talent.

Because there were only a few Jedi in the originals, there aren't any non Skywalker battles to look at, but we can tell through the opinion of others that the Skywalkers are powerful. Sideous said that Vader would become more powerful than himself or Yoda. And Luke managed to take on Vader at the end with minimal training.

FFS, the force is strong in his family!

 

[Bladders]

The point I'm making [MENTION=4019]Triggaaar[/MENTION] is I'm hoping that Rey isn't related to a Skywalker.

I just do not see the need to have to link every bloody thing in the SW Universe.

Surely in a whole GALAXY there are other powerful force sensitive humanoids who aren't related to Skywalkers.


Maybe she was another virgin birth like Anakin.

 

[Bladders]

Oh ok, my apologies.

Re the films - Anakin had the highest ever midi-chlorian count - nothing exciting to us, but the Jedi council thought it significant. Qui-Gon Jinn thought Anakin was the chosen one. Anakin didn't have training when he was young, but while he was still very young he managed to beat Dooku. Dooku wasn't as good as Yoda, but put up a decent fight against him. Anakin was clearly an exceptional talent.

Because there were only a few Jedi in the originals, there aren't any non Skywalker battles to look at, but we can tell through the opinion of others that the Skywalkers are powerful. Sideous said that Vader would become more powerful than himself or Yoda. And Luke managed to take on Vader at the end with minimal training.

FFS, the force is strong in his family!

No need to apologies, I was typing in a rush earlier so I'll take the blame for my confusing post.