Shootings and explosion in Paris!

[Buzzer]

Classic False Flag.


But by whom ?

Is it that big a deal? We knew terrorists were buying fake passports in order to travel to the West. Isn't this just a classic example? And I believe that the Serbian government confirmed that at least one of the terrorists was a fake refugee travelling through his country.

I'm struggling to see the significance of this revelation.

 

[BadFish]

It is all very strange. The thrust of your post was that others needed to be told by you, and yet when I criticise you, it becomes personal. You claim here that you wish to discuss issues, yet your post discussed nothing, other than condescendingly reminding others, who needed no such reminder, that all muslims should not be held responsible. We all know that, I have never seen a post on here, which would claim otherwise, which makes a mockery of your "discussion".

No. the thrust of my post was that Muslims are using social media to to condemn terrorist attacks. I also added my opinion that to me this act of other muslims coming out to condemn the terrorists in not necessary, but to others it is important. Your interpretation of my post comes from your own bias and the fact that you prefer to make it personal rather than about the subject at hand.

.....at no point in my post did i suggest that some people on here believe that all muslims should be held responsible.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Is it that big a deal? We knew terrorists were buying fake passports in order to travel to the West. Isn't this just a classic example? And I believe that the Serbian government confirmed that at least one of the terrorists was a fake refugee travelling through his country.

I'm struggling to see the significance of this revelation.

Not a big deal, as such.


But why would a terrorist bother to keep a false passport with them, surely they didn't anticipate getting out alive Just seems 'fishy'.

 

[Hastings gull]

If we bring in internment we will not be maintaining our way of life. It didn't work in Northern Ireland, nor has Guantanamo stopped attacks or even been kept on as a viable option by the States.

There have been several posts saying that it did not work in NI. I genuinely don't know if this is true, on balance. It did not stop attacks, granted, was very unpopular in the catholic community, inevitably, and of course the argument that it is contrary to British values is valid. However, I am not sure that we can really assess the success or otherwise, as those few hundred incarcerated were off the streets, and who knows what attacks they may have perpetrated? Had Friday's outrage happened here, and the 7 plots to which DC referred not been foiled, then attitudes may well be very different. Desperate times call for desperate measures. I can well understand anyone recoiling at the thought of internment, but other solutions to this seemingly insurmountable problem are not very forthcoming, other than vague thoughts such as we must stand up for what we believe.

 

[Buzzer]

Not a big deal, as such.


But why would a terrorist bother to keep a false passport with them, surely they didn't anticipate getting out alive Just seems 'fishy'.

Lots of baddies keep false passports with them. It's to fool the authorities. There seems to be an automatic presumption that they are all all suicide bombers, the evidence suggests otherwise. The one in Toulouse and the Charlie Hebdo terrorists all fled the scene and the French authorities are still looking for another who is on the run from this very recent attack. I would have thought a fake passport would be invaluable to him right now.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I did not mention social media as such, by the way. And I do not dispute that what he referred to was a welcome step -of course quotes to which he referred form a welcome step. What I took issue with, if you had read it properly, was that he wrote that others on here needed to be reminded that not all muslims are guilty. The vast majority of folk on here write articulately, irrespective of their views, and as such is quite capable of working out that the sins of the few should not be pushed on to the majority. I, and I am sure you, have never read any post which would claim that all muslims are responsible. This is why BF's post was so unnecessary.

I can't comment on the tone or the running spat between the two of you, nor do I want to pull this back to being a binfest. However, pointing out this action has been taken by some in the Islamic community adds to the discussion and story. It is absolutely valid. But only as valid as discussing security measures or pointing out what hideous monsters these attackers are. That too can be found in the media by anyone salient but it still needs saying / discussing.,

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

Not a big deal, as such.


But why would a terrorist bother to keep a false passport with them, surely they didn't anticipate getting out alive Just seems 'fishy'.

Not really if your playing games trying to split communities then it is perfect, as certain people will think hey there are millions of these so called refugees and they are not being checked therefore causing the splits and fractions within our communities. They want mistrust and doubt to spread

 

[Hastings gull]

No. the thrust of my post was that Muslims are using social media to to condemn terrorist attacks. I also added my opinion that to me this is unnecessary but to others it is important. Your interpretation of my post comes from your own bias and the fact that you prefer to make it personal rather than about the subject at hand.

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Don't give me that! This is what you wrote. Personally I am not sure this needs confirmation but there seems to be a few who need it.There is nothing at all about importance, just that others need to be told. It has absolutely nothing to do with my bias, rather you needing to find a convenient let-out.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Not really if your playing games trying to split communities then it is perfect, as certain people will think hey there are millions of these so called refugees and they are not being checked therefore causing the splits and fractions within our communities. They want mistrust and doubt to spread

Well that's the False Flag - blame the refugees - and very plausible.

 

[dazzer6666]

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A rather large piece of news, if true.

.....and after the atrocity, the conspiracy theories start.

 

[Hastings gull]

I can't comment on the tone or the running spat between the two of you, nor do I want to pull this back to being a binfest. However, pointing out this action has been taken by some in the Islamic community adds to the discussion and story. It is absolutely valid. But only as valid as discussing security measures or pointing out what hideous monsters these attackers are. That too can be found in the media by anyone salient but it still needs saying / discussing.,

My friend, I am NOT disputing what you write for one moment -of course it is part of the story, as well as condemning these monsters. You are quite right. It just did not need inferring that others had not appreciated it.

 

[BadFish]

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Don't give me that! This is what you wrote. Personally I am not sure this needs confirmation but there seems to be a few who need it.There is nothing at all about importance, just that others need to be told. It has absolutely nothing to do with my bias, rather you needing to find a convenient let-out.

Okay, well I have done my best to confirm the intention of my post and clear up any confusion. To continue to argue the toss and try and convince you seems futile. A couple of others seem to think the post was valid and a useful part of the discussion so personally I am going to put it down to your beef with me and move on. I suggest you do the same and perhaps try to ignore my posts.

 

[BigGully]

Classic False Flag.


But by whom ?



( I mean clearly, IS was responsible for the terrorism, what was the motive for the passport False Flag ? )

Surely terrorists would carry some form of documentation on route from their base either in France or Belgium, just as the escapee one seems to have got through a border check on the way back.

Without any documentation it would cause more suspicion, I am guessing.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And there you have it. You've hit the nail on the head here. For many it's nothing more than religious intolerance.

I'd like to hear more about the Muslim security guard called Zouheir, who discovered the suicide vest whilst frisking the bomber. The bomber stepped back and detonated the vest, fortunately Zouheir survived. If that bomber had got into the stadium, many many more people would have died.

 

[BigGully]

I'd like to hear more about the Muslim security guard called Zouheir, who discovered the suicide vest whilst frisking the bomber. The bomber stepped back and detonated the vest, fortunately Zouheir survived. If that bomber had got into the stadium, many many more people would have died.

In what context ??

He frisked an unknown man who then immediately detonated a bomb and you want to present this as something heroic ?

Personally I am glad he is alive and glad he did his job, I am not sure whether his religion has any bearing on anything to be honest.

 

[Soulman]

In what context ??

He frisked an unknown man who then immediately detonated a bomb and you want to present this as something heroic ?

Personally I am glad he is alive and glad he did his job, I am not sure whether his religion has any bearing on anything to be honest.

Exactly, doing a job but I suppose the fact he was Muslim means he must be singled out. I am glad he lived whatever faith or not he followed.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I'd say coverage is determined by the message that news outlet has decided to communicate informed by the anticipated reaction / position of its target audience.

The latter, rather predictably, depends on the proximity of the event (actual / implied threat to ourselves), the extent that we culturally identify with the country / victims affected & the degree to which any of our citizens are directly affected/involved etc. Nearest example comparison ref for me is the events in Kenya earlier this year.

In summary: most people don't give a shite until it is on their doorstep.

I think you have covered everything there with the added element of

I think, rightly or wrongly, quite a few people remembered the Malaysian airliner shot down over Ukraine which would have diminished their sympathy.

 

[BadFish]

Exactly, doing a job but I suppose the fact he was Muslim means he must be singled out. I am glad he lived whatever faith or not he followed.

He saved the lives of a whole lot of people, I don't care if he was just doing his job or what religion he was, the bloke should be recognised for that.

Hero may be to strong a word for it but i don't think it follows that someone 'just doing a job' cannot be one. Soldiers, police, firemen, nurses and a whole other range of occupations can do heroic things in the course of their employment.

 

[BigGully]

He saved the lives of a whole lot of people, I don't care if he was just doing his job or what religion he was, the bloke should be recognised for that. Hero may be to strong a word for it but i don't think it follows that someone 'just doing a job' cannot be one. Soldiers, police, firemen, nurses and a whole other range of occupations can do heroic things in the course of their employment.

So you agree that his religion is irrelevant so in part you agree, his religion was the pertinent point that Thunder Bolt was unsuccessfully trying to show to be relevant.

I suspect that the security guard himself would acknowledge the fortunate consequences of him frisking this unknown man and detecting the vest, but even so he is more likely to be thankful that he survived the event rather than think he is some kind of hero.

Anyway if his religion is irrelevant whatever you think of his actions bears no relevance to this discussion.

 

[BadFish]

So you agree that his religion is irrelevant so in part you agree, his religion was the pertinent point that Thunder Bolt was unsuccessfully trying to show to be relevant.

I suspect that the security guard himself would acknowledge the fortunate consequences of him frisking this unknown man and detecting the vest, but even so he is more likely to be thankful that he survived the event rather than think he is some kind of hero.

Anyway if his religion is irrelevant whatever you think of his actions bears no relevance to this discussion.

If it was irrelevant then we wouldn't be talking about it.