Jeremy Corbyn.

[Dick Knights Mumm]

In my work people that are not interested in politics know who he is and like him, inspiring them to actually vote may be the issue, but many have said they like him and would.

For every action there is a reaction. And it seems JC is the reaction, at least in part, against the professional politician-class (university, research job, Westminster) that seems to have taken over our national politics.

 

[Buzzer]

Corbyn might not be home and dry yet. Not if the Great Purge of 2015 continues in this style:

April: Genuine Labour supporter donates to party ahead of GE

Yesterday: Genuine Labour supporter announces on Twitter he's supporting Corbyn

Today: Genuine Labour supporter is barred from voting in the leadership election

If Twitter is anything to go by then this is widespread and loads of people have been arbitrarily barred from the elections. Very amusing if you're not a Labour supporter. I can only imagine the embarrassment and anger if you do support the party.


And the appeal process....you have to pay £25 to join as a full member and then appeal the decision. Are they going to be able to process applications, hear appeals, make decisions and re-instate people's voting rights between now and the close of the elections?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

In my work people that are not interested in politics know who he is and like him, inspiring them to actually vote may be the issue, but many have said they like him and would.

This is part of the reason I like him. He has a set of beliefs which he is true to, he's not changing or bent his views to chase the middle-ground, and has said it's Labour's job to convince people this is the way forward. I prefer this approach as opposed to the populist New Labour middle ground chasing idea. I totally understand who some don't like him, and it only seems to be for a single reason. I don't agree with this reason and don't see any convincing evidence that he's sympathetic/supportive to the violent means of the "friends" he has. It's all supposition and vague innuendo from some corners.

 

[sydney]

surely this belongs in other stuff .....it is divisive , inflammatory and tends towards argumentative and juxtopositional posting....if the bursaspor stadium thread get moved surely this bollox does too...

 

[jimbob5]

JC won't make Labour unelectable, he'll just make them unelected because as we know all the people who don't vote because 'they're all the flipping same' STILL won't vote and JC won't take any/many votes from the Tories and UKIP.

The reality is you need to win the middle ground because many far left don't vote. The problem with that is that New Labour who won the middle ground still have a credibility factor with the wars, expenses, H.I.P.S, selling gold etc

People think David Milliband would have done better than Ed. I doubt if it would have made any difference.

Back to the present;The other 3 candidates are tainted with the largely discredited New Labour Legacy.

A lot of Labour supporters e.g. ex ministers seem to think that you only have to stick a middle ground person is as leader and Labour will win regardless of how faceless this leader is. They make the mistake of thinking JC is the problem.

Of course Labour will regain power one day but I suspect the Tories will not be unpopular enough not to win in 2020.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

surely this belongs in other stuff .....it is divisive , inflammatory and tends towards argumentative and juxtopositional posting....if the bursaspor stadium thread get moved surely this bollox does too...

I'd agree with this.

 

[nicko31]

Anyone who believes this is simply not paying attention. Despite almost the entire spectrum of the mainstream media lambasting him and his chances, he is becoming increasingly popular every day within almost every demographic. It's really unprecedented, he sells out everywhere he talks - he is incredibly popular on social media and throughout polls.

If public opinion is anything to go by, rather than what we are reading in the papers, Corbyn not only will win the Labour leadership, he has a bloody good chance of winning the 2020 election too.

Yes the right wing media completely has it in for the guy. For example, yesterday's accusation he was racist was a bit ridiculous.

I'm sure some students will vote for him and will ignore what their parents tell them about Labour's Looney left, and a few Scots will come back to Labour looking for some other socialist utopia. But to say every demographic to moving towards Corbyn is as extreme as his policies

Unless the economy goes pear shaped badly between now and 2020 Corbyn hasn't get a chance. Lets face it, in this country if the economy is going well you can starts wars, do whatever you like, just like Bliar did. Labour are entering another dark age akin to 79 - 97. David Miliband will win in 2025..

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Corbyn might not be home and dry yet. Not if the Great Purge of 2015 continues in this style:

April: Genuine Labour supporter donates to party ahead of GE

Yesterday: Genuine Labour supporter announces on Twitter he's supporting Corbyn

Today: Genuine Labour supporter is barred from voting in the leadership election

If Twitter is anything to go by then this is widespread and loads of people have been arbitrarily barred from the elections. Very amusing if you're not a Labour supporter. I can only imagine the embarrassment and anger if you do support the party.


And the appeal process....you have to pay £25 to join as a full member and then appeal the decision. Are they going to be able to process applications, hear appeals, make decisions and re-instate people's voting rights between now and the close of the elections?

You have one example, which you then spin with innuendo about Twitter. This really isn't going to convince many, if any, people.

 

[Buzzer]

You have one example, which you then spin with innuendo about Twitter. This really isn't going to convince many, if any, people.

Spin with innuendo? Blimey, you are grumpy. It's all over the papers, facebook, twitter. I suggest you look at the hashtag #LabourPurge for many more examples.

It's even got Owen Jones concerned. Here's his latest twitter feed where he's urging people to contact Matt Beresford a Corbyn supporter who's trying to compile a database of banned voters, Jones is also re-tweeting other cases. Convincing enough for you?

 

[beorhthelm]

Corbyn might not be home and dry yet. Not if the Great Purge of 2015 continues in this style:
...
If Twitter is anything to go by then this is widespread and loads of people have been arbitrarily barred from the elections. Very amusing if you're not a Labour supporter. I can only imagine the embarrassment and anger if you do support the party.

yes amusing, it also shows a party in disarray. they dont need to check on applicants backgrounds, but they have chosen to do so just in case some people might join up to elect one of the candidates... basically they fear the "wrong" candidate winning. given the entire old front bench have come out against him, and with insufficient amongst MPs to form a full shadow government, its looking like a very rocky few years ahead for Labour, more focused on internal battles than opposition.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Spin with innuendo? Blimey, you are grumpy. It's all over the papers, facebook, twitter. I suggest you look at the hashtag #LabourPurge for many more examples.

It's even got Owen Jones concerned. Here's his latest twitter feed where he's urging people to contact Matt Beresford a Corbyn supporter who's trying to compile a database of banned voters, Jones is also re-tweeting other cases. Convincing enough for you?

I'm not denying it isn't happening, it is. I just don't see it as either an insurmountable issue or as wide spread as you appeared to suggest. And of course Monbiot, Jones etc are trying to ensure all Corbyn's voters are legitimately registered; this is what party activists do. It's no different to me driving the old dears to the polling station on Election Day. You seem to see this as one thing, me another. This is all.

 

[Buzzer]

I'm not denying it isn't happening, it is. I just don't see it as either an insurmountable issue or as wide spread as you appeared to suggest. And of course Monbiot, Jones etc are trying to ensure all Corbyn's voters are legitimately registered; this is what party activists do. It's no different to me driving the old dears to the polling station on Election Day. You seem to see this as one thing, me another. This is all.

Hang on, your first response was that it's an isolated example and I was extrapolating it into a bigger problem. You're wrong, it's apparently widespread and it is clearly an issue. If you look at what Beresford is trying to do, he's trying to find some sort of pattern with these rejections. He and Jones are worried that Corbyn voters are being deliberately targeted. It's gone beyond trying to ensure Corbyn's voters are legitimately registered and that they vote. The party has already said these people are banned. Nothing like your analogy at all.

 

[glasfryn]

yes amusing, it also shows a party in disarray. they dont need to check on applicants backgrounds, but they have chosen to do so out of fear that some people might join up to elect one of the candidates. they fear the "wrong" candidate winning. given the entire old front bench have come out against him, and with insufficient amongst MPs to form a full shadow government, its looking like a very rocky few years ahead for Labour, more focused on internal battles than opposition.

think someone needed to remind those on the right in the Labour party(watered down tories) that the Labour party is still a socialist party or at least WAS
JC is just tapping into the people who did not bother to vote or moved away from the labour party, yes maybe a rocky few years for the Labour party, but also a rocky few years for the tories as well.
a vote for any of the other three you might just as well vote for the tories and be done with.
and as for the right wing papers"I think the lady doe'st(s) protest to much"

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

As a young(ish) person I wholeheartedly support JC becoming Labour Leader. What he says chimes with I think is wrong with our country. I like what he says about privatising the railways and the energy sector. I like what he says about house building and rent controls. I like the idea of 'People's Quantitative Easing'. I like that he believes that discourse is the way to solve conflicts. I even like that he is willing to share stages with those that others may find distasteful. That he is willing to mix with people other than happy clapping party apparatchiks.

It just doesn't make sense to me senior figures coming out saying that Labour will be unelectable at the next election if Corbyn wins. Why? None of the rest of the candidates have anywhere near enough about them to win back the Labour votes lost in Scotland or indeed the votes across England lost to UKIP and the Tories. Corbyn might do. He offers something different. Labour got thumped at the last election, a proper kicking. They need a bit of change and I reckon that Corbyn could be that change.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Hang on, your first response was that it's an isolated example and I was extrapolating it into a bigger problem. You're wrong, it's apparently widespread and it is clearly an issue. If you look at what Beresford is trying to do, he's trying to find some sort of pattern with these rejections. He and Jones are worried that Corbyn voters are being deliberately targeted. It's gone beyond trying to ensure Corbyn's voters are legitimately registered and that they vote. The party has already said these people are banned. Nothing like your analogy at all.

Trying to find a pattern? Has he found one yet?

Look. I simply don't agree with your IRA ideas, your thoughts about the other bloke, or this. It's too hot to be debating something we will most certainly never agree on. I'm going to leave it here I think.

1) Corbyn has said enough about his dodgy "friends." I can't add anything more eloquent
2) At present I don't see the banning thing as a huge issue. Cock up yes, big insurmountable issue no.
3) I'll leave you have the last say then we can go our separate ways.

 

[beorhthelm]

think someone needed to remind those on the right in the Labour party(watered down tories) that the Labour party is still a socialist party or at least WAS

well absolutely. though i think its the Blairites and other centre-left figures from Labour that are protesting too much, while Corbyn has somewhat risen above it. makes them look out of touch with their own party, but this leads to a question whose party is it anyway? we know it was of the firm-left, the labour movement, etc, but their heyday are long past in society in general. wasn't this what New Labour was supposed to be able, realigning the party as social democracts? clearly from the support from the left, and the hostility from the right of the party, Corbyn is not going to be productive outcome. it will make a lot of people very warm and fuzzy to have him as leader, but futile in actually moving their favoured politics and policy forward. i feel a bit sorry for Corbyn as i don't think he wants this.

 

[Buzzer]

Trying to find a pattern? Has he found one yet?

Look. I simply don't agree with your IRA ideas, your thoughts about the other bloke, or this. It's too hot to be debating something we will most certainly never agree on. I'm going to leave it here I think.

Eh? You are the one who engaged me in debate about this purge issue, I didn't invite your response. And now you say you don't want to discuss things in the very same post as asking me for more information!


Edit - you didn't leave it there, I see. You edited your reply. Ah well.

 

[glasfryn]

well absolutely. though i think its the Blairites and other centre-left figures from Labour that are protesting too much, while Corbyn has somewhat risen above it. makes them look out of touch with their own party, but this leads to a question whose party is it anyway? we know it was of the firm-left, the labour movement, etc, but their heyday are long past in society in general. wasn't this what New Labour was supposed to be able, realigning the party as social democracts? clearly from the support from the left, and the hostility from the right of the party, Corbyn is not going to be productive outcome. it will make a lot of people very warm and fuzzy to have him as leader, but futile in actually moving their favoured politics and policy forward. i feel a bit sorry for Corbyn as i don't think he wants this.

yes it was and the main reason why I left them,I looked around me in the Brighton Labour party and there were very few socialists left.
I left them and Brighton and ended up in Wales where there were ex-miners voting tory .......we live in a strange world

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

think someone needed to remind those on the right in the Labour party(watered down tories) that the Labour party is still a socialist party or at least WAS
JC is just tapping into the people who did not bother to vote or moved away from the labour party, yes maybe a rocky few years for the Labour party, but also a rocky few years for the tories as well.
a vote for any of the other three you might just as well vote for the tories and be done with.
and as for the right wing papers"I think the lady doe'st(s) protest to much"

I agree.

 

[Castello]

That's 34% of the electorate that didn't vote - in addition,there are also an estimated 7.5m people eligible to vote who aren't on the electoral roll. JC is also looking to target many of these (it's thought that a lot of them are students). Corbyn's not getting all these people voting but if he can get just a fifth, that's about 4m extra voters - that would make a huge difference. And he wouldn't have to take a single vote back from the Tories

This is a very fair point. Due to changes in how to register to vote it was estimated that the registers that were used for the election were significantly lower than the previous years. This has been estimated to be as much as 5 million voters. A good voter registration drive as in Obama's first election would pay dividends to whoever organised it. All the mainstream parties knew about this effect and had an opportunity to do this but were remarkably blase about getting people involved. It is clear this same blase approach to involving voters in campaigns has been demonstrated by the gang of 3 in the leadership election.

Jeremy Corbyn's campaign has been all about grass roots involvement and building from the bottom up. It is clear this approach will be followed in any election campaign.

What the naysayers on here fail or don't wish to understand is that they are not the ones being affected by Corbyns campaign. Of course they wont feel the enthusiam and sheer buzz that JC's campaign has ignited. Most of the people I know didnt vote labour and a few didnt vote at all, for the very reason they didn't have faith in the Labour Party. They are almost all voting for Corbyn.

Of course this will all fade away if nothing else happens after September 12th. However in the JC rally's they are emphasing that things don't end on 12th September but start fresh on 13th September.

All this bullshit about anti semitism is a facade. It's the very kind of politics JC supporters are fed up with. Believe me, most jews like myself are all too used to people using anti semitism for their own purposes not giving a damn about what real anti semitism is. They know JC is not an anti semite. The reality is that for the few jewish votes lost, many more will be gained from muslims, who shy away from the establishment parties.