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Jan 30, 2008
31,981
The reason UKIP have gained such popularity is because people aren't asking those kinds of questions. If people really considered what Britain would look like under a UKIP government, I can't imagine how any regular person could possibly support them (although I accept some people genuinely do have far-right views)

By dissecting their manifesto we can see that they are authoritarian, elitist, ultra-nationalist and hyperconservative. This is their ideology and this is what people would really be voting for under the allure of their appealing anti-EU and anti-immigration headline making policies.
people don' t need to ask questions, most people can see what has been happening and are prepared to cast their vote on it ,wake up and smell the coffee:dunce:
regards
DR
 


The Large One

Who's Next?
Jul 7, 2003
52,343
97.2FM
As I've already said - they were statements made by the UKIP PPC in Brighton Pavilion at a Brighton Chamber of Commerce forum.

He called cyclists 'lycra-clad fascists' who 'everyone in the city is sick of...'

He also suggested that one of the answers for congestion in Brighton was to build a car park where the Level is.

They were recorded on the Brighton Chamber of Commerce's own live Twitter feed of the event.

I can't put it simpler than that.
 






portslade seagull

Well-known member
Jul 19, 2003
17,639
portslade
No, but you appear to know that people with left wing preferences don't know how to run the economy.

Actually, the truth is that most people (quite probably including you, and probably most Tory voters too) don't know how to run the economy either.

Lets be honest no party knows how to run the economy, labour would just ruin it again the cons are well just cons and ukip are just untried, maybe if you could mix and match there would be a decent government amongst all three of them
 






portslade seagull

Well-known member
Jul 19, 2003
17,639
portslade
As I've already said - they were statements made by the UKIP PPC in Brighton Pavilion at a Brighton Chamber of Commerce forum.

He called cyclists 'lycra-clad fascists' who 'everyone in the city is sick of...'

He also suggested that one of the answers for congestion in Brighton was to build a car park where the Level is.

They were recorded on the Brighton Chamber of Commerce's own live Twitter feed of the event.

I can't put it simpler than that.

What cyclists I never see any using the cycle lanes and turning the level into a car park might actually improve it, didn't the cons actually put forward a underground car park idea years ago for the level
 




The Large One

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Jul 7, 2003
52,343
97.2FM
What cyclists I never see any using the cycle lanes

Can't you? Oh. I, on the other hand often cross the Level, wary of the cyclists using the cycle paths.

I presume you've missed the busy Velo Café in the Level, often packed with cyclists and non-cyslists alike, offering bike parts and a repair service.


turning the level into a car park might actually improve it,

How? It's a very popular, widely-used public space, recently improved and upgraded into something quite pleasant.


didn't the cons actually put forward a underground car park idea years ago for the level

Nope. There was an idea suggested a few years ago which the then Tory-led council weren't interested in.
 




Stato

Well-known member
Dec 21, 2011
6,590
people don' t need to ask questions, most people can see what has been happening

I think I can see what is happening. Long Term economic failure and massive inequality, the inevitable inequities of capitalism being blamed on immigrant scapegoats, the rise of right wing populists throughout Europe selling lies about the way the world works to those looking for easy answers to complicated problems. Although, perhaps not his intent, WB Yeats seemed to sum it up back in the nineteen twenties. Lines 7 & 8 seem particularly relevant to the current rise of UKIP in British politics.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
 


GT49er

Well-known member
Feb 1, 2009
46,773
Gloucester
I think I can see what is happening. Long Term economic failure and massive inequality, the inevitable inequities of capitalism being blamed on immigrant scapegoats, the rise of right wing populists throughout Europe selling lies about the way the world works to those looking for easy answers to complicated problems. Although, perhaps not his intent, WB Yeats seemed to sum it up back in the nineteen twenties. Lines 7 & 8 seem particularly relevant to the current rise of UKIP in British politics.

Strewth - WB Yeats on UKIP. What have you started now? - we'll be getting quotes from Old Moore's Almanac, Mother Shipton and the Bible next!
 


Stato

Well-known member
Dec 21, 2011
6,590
Strewth - WB Yeats on UKIP. What have you started now? - we'll be getting quotes from Old Moore's Almanac, Mother Shipton and the Bible next!

He may have been as mad as a badger but whatever he was saying he said forcefully and with style. He seems at home on NSC.
 








pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
Then a helluva lot of UKIP supporters are going to be very, very p*ssed off; they might well conclude that Farage is no better or different than the other mainstream political leaders!

how on earth do you take soulmans quote "well they(UKIP) are not going to stop immigration" and come up with the above.

UKIP supporters know the party promotes a controlled immigration system.Im concerned this important snippet of information has somehow evaded you and you conclude UKIP want to stop immigration immediately,pull up some sort of drawbridge and stop every foreigner coming in.What media are you reading?who is giving you this information? and why are they not telling you the truth?

Just last week i watched a video of a UAF bloke at an EDL meeting explaining why he is opposed to the EDL.......his reasons.......because the EDL is against Trade Unions and the NHS.......WTF!!!!!!

My point?.......there are thickos everywhere who are clueless as to what they are protesting about.
 






daveinprague

New member
Oct 1, 2009
12,572
Prague, Czech Republic
Just last week i watched a video of a UAF bloke at an EDL meeting explaining why he is opposed to the EDL.......his reasons.......because the EDL is against Trade Unions and the NHS.......WTF!!!!!!

My point?.......there are thickos everywhere who are clueless as to what they are protesting about.

Thats a brave UAF member to attend an EDL meeting for a start...wouldnt mind seeing that video, you have a link?... moving on...

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/nov/19/edl-splinter-group-target-unions
http://www.socialistrevolution.org/...h-attacks-on-occupy-and-trade-union-movement/
http://uaf.org.uk/2011/11/edl-fascists-attempt-attack-on-trade-union-unites-north-west-hq/
http://socialistworker.co.uk/art/26218/Liverpools+unions+stand+up+to+EDL+attack
http://www.pcs.org.uk/en/revenue_an...ex.cfm/id/E06DB74A-C197-4E06-93ED9A35B1EFBFD5
 
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piersa

Well-known member
Apr 17, 2011
3,155
London
So had you voted for Reckless at the last election it was a vote for those that lie and deceive. This election voting for him is a vote for a new broom in Westminster.

Not really. It's a vote against the tories rather than a vote for the individual imo.
 


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