How do they do that?
Are they following him? How do they have access to his internet activity?
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The Islamic Future of Britain
- Thread starter terryberry1
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How do they do that?
Are they following him? How do they have access to his internet activity?
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
I am not really going to worry about either, to be honest. I am certainly not going to worry about some perceived Islamification of Britain based upon some spurious statistics quoted by the OP.
Obviously you are not going to worry, you are living over 15,000 miles away, but i can assure you that it is a valid worry for a lot of people that live here.
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
They have installed software that tracks everything he does on his PC's etc. And he let them do it and does not question it. Do they physically follow him? No. But if anyone in the church suspects anyone else of doing something they shouldn't, then it gets reported to the church leaders. It's all very creepy, but he's a grown man of 50+ and if that is how he wants to live his life, then than is up to him.
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
I wouldn't be worrying if I lived in the UK either. These valid reasons that many seem to cite as cause for concern, appear to me to be totally overblown and out of proportion. I would imagine that 99.9999% of the Muslim population of Britain want to just get on with their lives without pushing any agenda whatsoever. It is the tiny minority that some people are worked up about at the moment and if I have a concern, it would be to any overblown, disproportionate reaction against them.
That is seriously weird. Is that in South Africa?
Maybe grooming in many cities, a citizen have his head cut off of his body in broad daylight, a 7/7 bombing of transport and over 700 mosques happening by what you "imagine" is by 00.0001% of the Muslim population in the country you live in......might alter your opinion.
Surely more than your "imagined" 00.0001% of the Muslim population of Britain left these shores to fight in Syria and Iraq??
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
Yup, Pretoria. There is another one local to here that appears from the outside to be similar, except they seem to be very interested in young people and try to wriggle their way into schools.
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
0.0166% by my rudimentary maths - 500 out of 3m, some of whom have returned already as it was not quite what they expected it to be, or so I read. So I will give you that. But still not something that would unduly concern me.
There are mosques in every town in this part of South Africa by the way. I am not concerned about them either.
GT49er
Well-known member
I'm sorry, but what you 'imagine' from 15,000 miles away really cannot have any value in this discussion, neither can your 'imagined' figure of 99.9999%. The OP's stats may or may not be flawed, but there is plenty to be concerned about.
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
Righto.
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I have to say that living in the UK throughout, i have been more concerned about terrorist acts in previous decades than i am now.
1971, 12 January: Two bombs exploded at the house of government minister Robert Carr. This attack was one of 25 carried out by the Angry Brigade between August 1970 and August 1971. The Bomb Squad was established at Scotland Yard in January 1971 to target the group, and they were apprehended in August of that year.[1][2]
1971, 31 October: A bomb exploded in the Post Office Tower in London causing extensive damage but no injuries. The "Kilburn Battalion" of the IRA claimed responsibility for the explosion.[3]
1972, 22 February: The Official Irish Republican Army killed seven civilians in the Aldershot bombing.
1972, 19 September: The group Black September posted a letter bomb to the Israeli embassy in London killing an Israeli diplomat.[4]
1973: The Provisional IRA exploded a car bomb in the street outside the Old Bailey. A shard of glass is preserved as a reminder, embedded in the wall at the top of the main stairs.
1973, 10 September: The Provisional IRA set off bombs at London's King's Cross Station and Euston Station injuring 21 people.[5]
1974, 4 February: Eight Soldiers and 4 civilians killed by the Provisional IRA in the M62 coach bombing.
1974, 17 June: The Provisional IRA planted a bomb which exploded at the Houses of Parliament, causing extensive damage and injuring 11 people.[6]
1974, 5 October: Guildford pub bombings by the Provisional IRA left 4 off duty soldiers and a civilian dead and 44 injured.
1974, 22 October: A bomb planted by the Provisional IRA explodes in London injuring 3 people.[7]
1974, 21 November: The Birmingham pub bombings, 21 killed and 182 injured.
1974, 18 December: Bomb planted by IRA in the run up to Christmas in one of Bristol's most popular shopping districts explodes injuring 17 people.[8]
1975, 27 November: IRA gunmen assassinated political activist and television personality Ross McWhirter.[9]
1975, 20 December: The Ulster Defence Association (UDA) bombed Biddy Mulligan's pub in the Kilburn area of London. Five people were injured. It said it bombed the pub because it was frequented by Irish republican sympathizers.[10]
1978, 17 December: Another bomb planted by the IRA aimed at the Christmas shoppers in Bristol takes out the department store Maggs injuring seven people.[11]
1979, 17 February: The Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) bombed two pubs frequented by Catholics in Glasgow, Scotland. Both pubs were wrecked and a number of people were wounded. It said it bombed the pubs because they were used for Irish republican fundraising.[12]
1979, 30 March: Airey Neave killed when a car bomb exploded under his car as he drove out of the Palace of Westminster car park. The Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) claimed responsibility for the killing.
1980 30 April: The Iranian Embassy siege where a six-man terrorist team held the building for six days until the hostages were rescued by a raid by the SAS which was broadcast live on TV.
1981 10 October: The IRA detonated a bomb outside the Chelsea Barracks, killing two and injuring 39.
1981 26 October: The IRA bombed a Wimpy Bar on Oxford Street, killing Kenneth Howorth, the Metropolitan Police explosives officer attempting to defuse it.
1982 14 March: The bombing of the London ANC offices (African National Congress), wounding one person who was living upstairs. General Johann Coetzee, former head of the South African security police, and seven other policemen, claimed responsibility for the attack and applied for amnesty before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Coetzee's accomplices were Craig Williamson, John McPherson, Roger Raven, Wybrand du Toit, John Adam, James Taylor and Eugene de Kock. [13]
1982 June: Abu Nidal killed the Israeli ambassador in London.[14]
1982 20 July: The Hyde Park and Regent's Park bombings in London by the IRA killed eleven members of the Household Cavalry and the Royal Green Jackets.
1982 30 November: A group called the Animal Rights Militia sent a letter bomb to Margaret Thatcher at 10 Downing Street, the device exploded injuring one person.[15]
1983 17 December: Harrods was bombed by the IRA. Six were killed (including three police officers) and 90 wounded during Christmas shopping at the West London department store. (See Harrods bombing)
1984 12 October: Brighton hotel bombing, 5 killed and several injured in an attempt by the IRA to kill Margaret Thatcher.
1988 21 December: Pan Am Flight 103 (Lockerbie) blown up by a bomb in a suitcase while in flight over Scotland after taking off from Heathrow. 270 were killed.
1989 22 September: Deal barracks bombing: Eleven Royal Marines bandsmen killed and 22 injured when base in Deal, Kent, was bombed by the IRA.
1990s[edit]
1990 16 May: Wembley IRA detonated a bomb underneath a minibus killing Sgt Charles Chapman (The Queen's Regiment) and injuring another soldier.
1990 1 June: Lichfield City railway station 1 soldier killed and 2 injured in a shooting by the Provisional Irish Republican Army
1990 20 July: The IRA detonated a bomb at the London Stock Exchange causing damage to the building. Nobody was injured in the blast.[16]
1990 30 July: Ian Gow MP killed by a car bomb planted by the IRA while at his home in Sussex.
1991 7 February: The IRA launched three mortar shells at the rear garden of 10 Downing Street.
1991 18 February: A bomb exploded at Victoria Station. One man killed and 38 people injured.
1992 28 February: A bomb exploded at London Bridge station injuring 29 people.
1992 10 April: Baltic Exchange bombing: A large bomb exploded in St Mary Axe in the City of London. The bomb was contained in a large white truck and consisted of a fertilizer device wrapped with a detonation cord made from Semtex. It killed three people: Paul Butt, 29, Baltic Exchange employee Thomas Casey, 49, and 15-year old Danielle Carter. The bomb also caused damage to surrounding buildings, many of which were also badly damaged by the Bishopsgate bombing the following year. The bomb caused £800 million worth of damage, £200 million more than the total damaged caused by the 10,000 explosions that had occurred during the Troubles in Northern Ireland up to that point.[17]
1992 25 August: The IRA planted three fire bombs in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Bombs were placed in Shoplatch, The Charles Darwin Centre and Shrewsbury Castle, the latter causing the most damage as the castle housed the Shropshire Regimental Museum and many priceless historical artifacts were lost and damaged by fire and smoke. No fatalities or injuries were recorded.
1992 12 October: A device exploded in the gents' toilet of the Sussex Arms public house in Covent Garden killing one person and injuring four others.
1992 16 November: IRA planted a bomb at the Canary Wharf, but was spotted by security guards. The bomb was deactivated safely.
1992 3 December: The IRA exploded two bombs in central Manchester, injuring 65 people.[18]
1993 20 March: Warrington bomb attacks. The first attack, on a gasworks, created a huge fireball but no casualties, but the second attack on Bridge Street killed two children and injured many other people. The attacks were conducted by the IRA.
1993 24 April: IRA detonated a huge truck bomb in the City of London at Bishopsgate, It killed journalist Ed Henty, injured over 40 people, and causing approximately £1 billion worth of damage,[17] including the destruction of St Ethelburga's church, and serious damage to Liverpool St. Tube Station. Police had received a coded warning, but were still evacuating the area at the time of the explosion. The insurance payments required were so enormous, that Lloyd's of London almost went bankrupt under the strain, and there was a crisis in the London insurance market. The area had already suffered damage from the Baltic Exchange bombing the year before. (see 1993 Bishopsgate bombing)
1994 July: A car-bomb outside the Israeli embassy in London injured fourteen.[19]
1994 27 July: A car-bomb outside Balfour House in London, home to a Jewish charity, injuring five.[20]
1994 13 August: 2.5lbs of Semtex packed into a bicycle left outside Woolworths in Bognor Regis, exploded damaging 15 shops. A similar bomb found in nearby Brighton. [21]
1995 January: A bomb at a Sikh newspaper office in London, killing the editor.[22]
1996 9 February: The IRA bombed the South Quay area of London, killing two people. (see 1996 Docklands bombing)
1996 15 February: A 5 lb bomb placed in a telephone box disarmed by Police on the Charing Cross Road.
1996 18 February: An improvised high explosive device detonated prematurely on a bus travelling along Aldwych in central London, killing Edward O'Brien, the IRA operative transporting the device and injuring eight others.
1996 15 June: The Manchester bombing when the IRA detonated a 1500 kg bomb which heavily damaged the Arndale shopping centre and injured 206 people.
1997 March: The IRA exploded two bombs in relay boxes near Wilmslow railway station, thereby causing great disruption to rail and road services, in Wilmslow and the surrounding area.
1999 17 April, 24 April, 30 April: David Copeland set off three nail bombs in London targeting the black, Bangladeshi and gay communities respectively, killing 3 and injuring 129. Convicted of murder on 30 June 2000.
Refer also to the list of IRA terrorist incidents presented to Parliament between 1980 and 1994, listed halfway down the page here
Memorial in London's Hyde Park to the victims of the Islamist 7 July bombings.
2000 1 June: Real IRA bomb on Hammersmith Bridge, London
2000 20 September: Real IRA fired an RPG-22 at the MI6 HQ in London SIS Building
2001 4 March: The Real IRA detonated a car bomb outside the BBC's main news centre in London. One London Underground worker suffered deep cuts to his eye from flying glass and some damage was caused to the front of the building.[23] (See 2001 BBC bombing)
2001 16 April: Hendon post office bombed by the Real IRA.
2001 6 May: The Real IRA detonated a bomb in a London postal sorting office. One person was injured.[24]
2001 3 August: A Real IRA Bomb in Britain explodes in Ealing, West London, injuring seven people.[25] (See 2001 Ealing bombing)
2001 4 November: Real IRA car bomb in Birmingham[26]
2005 7 July: The 7 July 2005 London bombings conducted by four separate Islamist extremist suicide bombers, killing 56 people and injuring 700.
2007 January - February: The 2007 United Kingdom letter bombs
2007 30 June: 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack perpetrated by Islamist extremists.
2008 22 May: 2008 Exeter attempted bombing by an Islamist extremist, injuring only the perpetrator.
2013 29 April: Pavlo Lapshyn, a Ukrainian student, stabbed to death Birmingham resident Mohammed Saleem. He later admitted to police that he wished to start a "race war".[27]
2013 22 May: 2013 Woolwich attack, British Serviceman killed by two Islamist extremists armed with a handgun and a number of bladed articles such as machete's and butcher's knifes. One of the men received a whole life order meaning he will never be let out of prison and the other acting as an assistant in the brutal and racist murder was jailed for a minimum of 45 years.[28]
2013 21 June: Pavlo Lapshyn detonated a home-made bomb outside a mosque in Walsall. 150 homes were evacuated but no person was injured.[27]
2013 28 June: Pavlo Lapshyn detonated another home-made bomb nearby a mosque in Wolverhampton.[27]
2013 12 July: Pavlo Lapshyn attacked a mosque in Tipton with an improvised explosive device containing 600 grams of 25 mm nails. He had planned his attack so that it would explode when worshippers were leaving the mosque after prayers. But he had not realised that Friday prayers were delayed that day, and so his intended victims were still inside. The bomb was so powerful that it embedded the nails in tree trunks up to 70 metres away from the explosion. Laphsyn was arrested on July 18th.[27][29]
sir albion
New member
So you think that only the 500 who travelled are likely to be the only one's?
Many more thousands im sure are being groomed right now and they seem to be well supported...Reported collection buckets for them at certain mosques aswell.
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Don't see how anyone could question such well researched factual information. Open and shut case
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
There were many people who were "sure" that the black population of SA would rise up on the night Mandela died to slaughter the white population. We are still waiting.
My views are invalid as I live "15000" miles away. All I will say is that, from afar, I am detecting the start of the same sort of scaremongering, misreporting and acceptance of mistruths as fact, that leads to the paranoia that causes many people here to live in constant fear. That is not something I would want for the UK.
Ok, your point being that the IRA were active.....in the past eh. the thread is Islamic Future of Britain. So let's just take your dates from the last few years. Oh let's also add the groomings in Rotherham, Oxford, Derby, Oldham, Bradford, Keighley etc, which are all recent.
So. Lets cut out the same fellow from 2013...and see what (in recent times) we have left.
2007 January - February: The 2007 United Kingdom letter bombs
2007 30 June: 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack perpetrated by Islamist extremists.
2008 22 May: 2008 Exeter attempted bombing by an Islamist extremist, injuring only the perpetrator.
Plenty more that you failed to jot down as well.
Not forgetting 2005 7 July: The 7 July 2005 London bombings conducted by four separate Islamist extremist suicide bombers, killing 56 people and injuring 700.
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
I'm sure the British spirit will come to the fore, we've never given way to bullies. Keep smiling everyone.
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No, my point being that i have lived through a number of decades where the number of terrorist acts done 'in the name of religion' were far higher than in the last decade, hence why i said
However, you are correct in that if you take out all terrorist acts prior to the last decade and then add in any other criminal acts you can think of, you could make it appear that the situation is getting worse and worry a stupid person
No, my point being that i have lived through a number of decades where the number of terrorist acts done 'in the name of religion' were far higher than in the last decade, hence why i said
However, you are correct in that if you take out all terrorist acts prior to the last decade and then add in any other criminal acts you can think of, you could make it appear that the situation is getting worse and worry a stupid person
Well obviously a lot of "stupid" people are worried, that is your opinion of them, i think the people that keep making excuses/deflecting and bringing up the past (we will be back to how the Crusades treated people next) are more worrying (not stupid as i can debate without stooping) to me. Just my opinion really.
Best and most accurate post I have read in a long time.