Joe Mason and Lewis Grabban

[Deleted member 22389]

What I'm trying to say is, that I disagree with FFP due to the fact that some teams are conforming to the rules are others aren't. The punishments need to be more severe; points deduction etc in my opinion. I don't think it's fair that Bournemouth are able to offer £1.5m when we MAY be unable to because we wish to conform to the rules, despite the fact that we sell 26k seats every game when Bournemouth's ground only holds 11k.

You wait, there will be many clubs in this division that will fall foul of these FFP rules. I will be glad when it shows we have not broken these rules.
At this point we have a case against other clubs that have. Ultimate punishment should be no promotion to the premier league.
I look at the likes of QPR, Forest, it pisses me off. It is no way to run a football club.

http://www.footballeconomy.com/content/championship-clubs-under-risk-ffp
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...QUARTER-Championship-clubs-fall-foul-FFP.html

http://www.nottinghampost.com/Notti...nancial-year/story-18257861-detail/story.html
http://www.sportsbettingbest.com/qpr-could-be-the-first-to-face-sanctions-for-violating-ffp/

 

[El Turi]

I honestly think Bournemouth would offer Mason more in wages than we would. Judging by the signings we've made this season and recent events, I would estimate that our transfer budget is in the bottom 8 in this division. It shows what a good job Oscar is doing to have us within reach of the play-offs despite all the injuries and lack of backing from the board.

 

[nwgull]

I honestly think Bournemouth would offer Mason more in wages than we would. Judging by the signings we've made this season and recent events, I would estimate that our transfer budget is in the bottom 8 in this division. It shows what a good job Oscar is doing to have us within reach of the play-offs despite all the injuries and lack of backing from the board.

Our playing budget is greater than last season's - that is a fact.

Just because we wouldn't pay what Grabban wanted - or Barnes for that matter - it doesn't mean we couldn't. He is a decent championship player, but he isn't as good as Ulloa or others in this division.

 

[Lawro's Lip]

Our playing budget is greater than last season's - that is a fact.

Just because we wouldn't pay what Grabban wanted - or Barnes for that matter - it doesn't mean we couldn't. He is a decent championship player, but he isn't as good as Ulloa or others in this division.

I think that is exactly right. We are only prepared to pay what we feel a targeted player is worth. Not pay over the odds just because we have an interest in them.

 

[Rugrat]

What I'm trying to say is, that I disagree with FFP due to the fact that some teams are conforming to the rules are others aren't. The punishments need to be more severe; points deduction etc in my opinion. I don't think it's fair that Bournemouth are able to offer £1.5m when we MAY be unable to because we wish to conform to the rules, despite the fact that we sell 26k seats every game when Bournemouth's ground only holds 11k.

There's too much supposition that FFP is responsible for all of our decisions. Maybe it is but maybe TB and others just want us to pursue a sensible business approach. In the case of Bournemouth I'd imagine their wage structure to be quite a way less than ours and the fact that we sell 25000 tickets a game is only one piece of the equation. Our costs will be huge by comparison to many in this league.

FFP is trotted out far too much without much evidence that it's driving decisions, but there's no denying that some clubs have decided to take the risk and ignore it

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I honestly think Bournemouth would offer Mason more in wages than we would. Judging by the signings we've made this season and recent events, I would estimate that our transfer budget is in the bottom 8 in this division. It shows what a good job Oscar is doing to have us within reach of the play-offs despite all the injuries and lack of backing from the board.

I'd be staggered if they could. I think we still have a few players (and believe there to be at least 2) on £20k+. Hypothetically, if one was Bridcutt then selling him may 'free-up' some wages.

Kuszczak turned down Ipswich in favour of us, so I'd imagine he's on a good salary as well. The trouble is, as the contracts expire and the players look to do their best for their families, if we are adopting more of a rigid structure, it is likely we could lose out on more players and indeed have our better ones choose to go elsewhere. I was ridiculed for this in the Summer, but I still strongly believe that Brighton fans are quite fickle and if we start to lose, season ticket sales and attendances will drop off and of course our ability to bring in quality players will be compromised further.

In terms of Mason is he really worth £1.5m. Perhaps we would have done better to offer Barnes a more lucrative deal.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Players wages, and their agents are the ones who are ruining these clubs. What other businesses can you think of that generate so much income and yet nobody seems to make a profit.

There should be a maximum amount of what each player can be paid in all the leagues. In the Championship it should be no more 10k a week.
In the Premier league it should be no more 30k a week. If players cannot live off this money then sorry something is seriously wrong. There would be no need for agents then.

If a team gets relegated then the players wages should come down too. It would stop clubs getting in to so much debt.

 

[Acker79]

All clubs who do not comply will have to pay us money and may hVe a transfer embargo

I don't believe that's the case. As I understand it, only teams that get promoted get fined, and at the moment it appears as if the fines will go to charity (they will officially be premier league clubs and outside the jurisdiction of the football league who enforce the FFP, and in an effort to get the premier league to go along with it, it has been suggested the money goes to charity as they don't tend to like money leaving the prem to go to the football league), if a team don't get promoted, they won't be fined, but will suffer a transfer embargo (which may take the form of watford's where you can still sign players but need the league to ok it).

 

[hans kraay fan club]

he'll probably turn Bournmouth down as they are tin pot and spending way beyond their means.

He'll turn a club down, because they're spending too much (on wages)...?

Good logic.

 

[herecomesaregular]

Players wages, and their agents are the ones who are ruining these clubs. What other businesses can you think of that generate so much income and yet nobody seems to make a profit.

There should be a maximum amount of what each player can be paid in all the leagues. In the Championship it should be no more 10k a week.
In the Premier league it should be no more 30k a week. If players cannot live off this money then sorry something is seriously wrong. There would be no need for agents then.

If a team gets relegated then the players wages should come down too. It would stop clubs getting in to so much debt.

And does this apply to the rest of the capitalist world? Get a grip, all very nice, but will never happen so pointless even dreaming of it.

 

[Rugrat]

And does this apply to the rest of the capitalist world? Get a grip, all very nice, but will never happen so pointless even dreaming of it.

Works just fine in North Korea ... plus the added incentive of not doing 5 years hard labour if relegated

 

[RowleyBirkinQ.C(deceased)]

After Grabban and his agent messing us about, it's almost as if Bournemouth thought, lets make a massive bid for their other target striker just to REALLY piss them off.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

And does this apply to the rest of the capitalist world? Get a grip, all very nice, but will never happen so pointless even dreaming of it.

I know it is never going to happen and yes I do have a grip but what I have offered here is a sensible solution that would work and would stop clubs going in to so much debt. It would at least allow clubs to plan and set proper budgets.

If clubs could only pay a maximum amount set by the FA, what are the players going to do turn it down? I don't think so.

Footballers are very well paid for what they do. The only people who come close to this sort of money are chief executives of multi national companies, bankers......
If somebody cannot live on the money they get, then there is something wrong.

I think most of us would be lucky to see £500 a week in our own pay packets. It's not jelousy or anything like that, the reality is players wages, agents fees are crippling clubs.

 

[Diego Napier]

I know it is never going to happen and yes I do have a grip but what I have offered here is a sensible solution that would work and would stop clubs going in to so much debt. It would at least allow clubs to plan and set proper budgets.

If clubs could only pay a maximum amount set by the FA, what are the players going to do turn it down? I don't think so.

Footballers are very well paid for what they do. The only people who come close to this sort of money are chief executives of multi national companies, bankers......
If somebody cannot live on the money they get, then there is something wrong.

I think most of us would be lucky to see £500 a week in our own pay packets. It's not jelousy or anything like that, the reality is players wages, agents fees are crippling clubs.

You only needed to post the first eight words!

 

[saafend_seagull]

If Brighton seriously want Mason they'd blow muff out the water , my guess is we don't

Really? Like grabban.

We've spunked a lot of money on lita, Hoskins and cms.

 

[drew]

Really? Like grabban.

We've spunked a lot of money on lita, Hoskins and cms.

Lita

 

[ewe2]

Lita

.....And he has got the best scoring record of them all !!!......

 

[the wanderbus]

Really? Like grabban.

Do you not get the feeling that Grabban never had any intention of joining but was always happy to stay at Bournemouth? Maybe Albion activating his release clause was a godsend by enabling his agent to go back and say " well he's happy to stay as long as you match Brighton's offer". The Agent has done his client proud winkling a nice new contract out of the club where the player is settled anyway.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

I still wonder if we did this very public ally in order to show other targets that we had options?

 

[perseus]

Lewis Grabban blamed for missing an easy chance for Bournemouth against Watford.