*~*~* The ONLY suspensions / 'poo-gate' thread - FACTS ONLY *~*~*

[WATFORD zero]

it looks a lot like we might lose a good manager through penny pinching

Unless you're ready to stump up a good few quid we have to pinch 800,000,000 pennies in the next season alone

 

[Fungus]

Let's be honest, how much longer would Poyet stay at the club? He has been here three and half years which is longer than the average for a league manager. It would be highly unlikely that he would turn out to be the next Ferguson or Wenger in terms of longevity. As dull as it seems, and taking into account the events of the 80s and 90s in terms of the clubs finances, probably more important that we have a football administrator on board that can secure much better sponsorship and maximise profit which, in turn, will enable whatever manager to spend as much as is available. We lost £8m in the first year at the Amex so if we carried on then Poyet or the next manager would have nothing to spend.

Agreed. As much as I want both, I'd choose financial security over gambling on the Prem.

 

[Bozza]

I take it that mine with Gus's speech at the awards dinner wasnt deemed good enough then?

'A bunch' does not equal 'all'.

That thread was started before the CP games though, so shouldn't have been moved in the first place.

 

[Buzzer]

Let's put Lord B's comments into context. Firstly, there are a number of employees at the club who are part of the old guard from the Dick Knight days who are not happy that Bloom ousted DK and are also not happy that the club is being managed and run less like a church committee and more like an efficient, modern and expanding business.

Barber is Bloom's man, of that there is no doubt. Every decision Barber makes is sanctioned by TB. That explains a lot of resentment. Also, Barber is working flat out to make the club self-sufficient and within FFP. Even in our first year at the Amex there were huge losses made. Barber is trying to stop this and staff who were used to relatively free reign on spending are now being asked to justify every penny. Bloom was livid with the way the club was continuing ro be run and ditched Brown in favour of a CE that was strong enough to change the culture. Another cause of resentment.

Poyet's always moaned about budgets, lack of funds etc. he seemed to expect Bloom to be like Abramovich and operate on an open cheque book policy. Bloom has repeatedly told him that he must operate within the budget. Barber's job is to ensure this occurs. Given Poyet's views and his character he would clash with whoever is Chief Exec. Granted, Poyet and Barber fell out at Spurs but it's up to both if them to behave in an adult manner and bury personal differences and act in the best interests of the club. I can't comment on whether either of them has done so behind closed doors but publicly Poyet has repeatedly allowed his ego to put himself above the club. I don't think it's particularly fanciful to speculate that Poyet would have problems with whoever was Chief Exec, especially one who has FFP as a legal requirement.

This anti-Barber campaign is so misguided because it's futile, Barber is Bloom's man and if Barber did go then the next CE would have to make the same decisions because of the need to be self-financing and within FFP.

 

[smudge]

Been travelling last couple of days so might be a bit behind, but couldn't help notice Holloway's remarks ref' the team talk was easy because of the events in their changing room.
For this reason I hope the culprit is found & made public.

 

[5mins-from-amex]

Let's put Lord B's comments into context. Firstly, there are a number of employees at the club who are part of the old guard from the Dick Knight days who are not happy that Bloom ousted DK and are also not happy that the club is being managed and run less like a church committee and more like an efficient, modern and expanding business.

Barber is Bloom's man, of that there is no doubt. Every decision Barber makes is sanctioned by TB. That explains a lot of resentment. Also, Barber is working flat out to make the club self-sufficient and within FFP. Even in our first year at the Amex there were huge losses made. Barber is trying to stop this and staff who were used to relatively free reign on spending are now being asked to justify every penny. Bloom was livid with the way the club was continuing ro be run and ditched Brown in favour of a CE that was strong enough to change the culture. Another cause of resentment.

Poyet's always moaned about budgets, lack of funds etc. he seemed to expect Bloom to be like Abramovich and operate on an open cheque book policy. Bloom has repeatedly told him that he must operate within the budget. Barber's job is to ensure this occurs. Given Poyet's views and his character he would clash with whoever is Chief Exec. Granted, Poyet and Barber fell out at Spurs but it's up to both if them to behave in an adult manner and bury personal differences and act in the best interests of the club. I can't comment on whether either of them has done so behind closed doors but publicly Poyet has repeatedly allowed his ego to put himself above the club. I don't think it's particularly fanciful to speculate that Poyet would have problems with whoever was Chief Exec, especially one who has FFP as a legal requirement.

This anti-Barber campaign is so misguided because it's futile, Barber is Bloom's man and if Barber did go then the next CE would have to make the same decisions because of the need to be self-financing and within FFP.

Top post, unfortunately some on this thread will dismiss it.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Let's put Lord B's comments into context. Firstly, there are a number of employees at the club who are part of the old guard from the Dick Knight days who are not happy that Bloom ousted DK and are also not happy that the club is being managed and run less like a church committee and more like an efficient, modern and expanding business.

Barber is Bloom's man, of that there is no doubt. Every decision Barber makes is sanctioned by TB. That explains a lot of resentment. Also, Barber is working flat out to make the club self-sufficient and within FFP. Even in our first year at the Amex there were huge losses made. Barber is trying to stop this and staff who were used to relatively free reign on spending are now being asked to justify every penny. Bloom was livid with the way the club was continuing ro be run and ditched Brown in favour of a CE that was strong enough to change the culture. Another cause of resentment.

Poyet's always moaned about budgets, lack of funds etc. he seemed to expect Bloom to be like Abramovich and operate on an open cheque book policy. Bloom has repeatedly told him that he must operate within the budget. Barber's job is to ensure this occurs. Given Poyet's views and his character he would clash with whoever is Chief Exec. Granted, Poyet and Barber fell out at Spurs but it's up to both if them to behave in an adult manner and bury personal differences and act in the best interests of the club. I can't comment on whether either of them has done so behind closed doors but publicly Poyet has repeatedly allowed his ego to put himself above the club. I don't think it's particularly fanciful to speculate that Poyet would have problems with whoever was Chief Exec, especially one who has FFP as a legal requirement.

This anti-Barber campaign is so misguided because it's futile, Barber is Bloom's man and if Barber did go then the next CE would have to make the same decisions because of the need to be self-financing and within FFP.

Bingo

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Seems assumptions and speculations are slippng back into this thread... e.g. is there any evidence that Poyet ousted Stephenson?

 

[Simster]

Let's put Lord B's comments into context. Firstly, there are a number of employees at the club who are part of the old guard from the Dick Knight days who are not happy that Bloom ousted DK and are also not happy that the club is being managed and run less like a church committee and more like an efficient, modern and expanding business.

Barber is Bloom's man, of that there is no doubt. Every decision Barber makes is sanctioned by TB. That explains a lot of resentment. Also, Barber is working flat out to make the club self-sufficient and within FFP. Even in our first year at the Amex there were huge losses made. Barber is trying to stop this and staff who were used to relatively free reign on spending are now being asked to justify every penny. Bloom was livid with the way the club was continuing ro be run and ditched Brown in favour of a CE that was strong enough to change the culture. Another cause of resentment.

Poyet's always moaned about budgets, lack of funds etc. he seemed to expect Bloom to be like Abramovich and operate on an open cheque book policy. Bloom has repeatedly told him that he must operate within the budget. Barber's job is to ensure this occurs. Given Poyet's views and his character he would clash with whoever is Chief Exec. Granted, Poyet and Barber fell out at Spurs but it's up to both if them to behave in an adult manner and bury personal differences and act in the best interests of the club. I can't comment on whether either of them has done so behind closed doors but publicly Poyet has repeatedly allowed his ego to put himself above the club. I don't think it's particularly fanciful to speculate that Poyet would have problems with whoever was Chief Exec, especially one who has FFP as a legal requirement.

This anti-Barber campaign is so misguided because it's futile, Barber is Bloom's man and if Barber did go then the next CE would have to make the same decisions because of the need to be self-financing and within FFP.

A lot of truth in that, I suspect. And I was always sceptical of Barber's appointment.

 

[Don Tmatter]

'A bunch' does not equal 'all'.

That thread was started before the CP games though, so shouldn't have been moved in the first place.

No, I started it yesterday with the clip from the awards dinner embedded but asked how things had changed in two weeks

 

[sam86]

Top posting @Buzzer

 

[bravohotelalpha]

I have a deal of sympathy with Bozza and his carefully considered response to the situation in which NSC finds itself. And I agree that ill-informed speculation helps no-one and can be a threat to the quality of debate that we like to see on NSC.

However ... I do think it is perfectly reasonable for Albion fans to want to know what is happening at our football club. Suppressing ALL accounts of what is happening is unhelpful.

In that spirit, I feel it is perfectly reasonable to report the following facts that I can personally vouch for.

1. Some months ago, I was told by a senior employee of the club that Paul Barber was taking decisions that were considered by him to be "horrendous". I later discussed this allegation with a director of the club who said that the decisions were recognised to be contentious, but were in the best interests of the club.

2. More recently (in mid April), I was told by a very senior person within the club that Gus Poyet was going to walk away from the Albion at the end of the season, regardless of the outcome of the play-offs, because his relationship with Paul Barber had completely broken down.

In reporting these facts, I am not taking sides in any Barber v Poyet "dispute". I am merely confirming my view that whatever has produced this turmoil has a longer history than the events of the past 10 days.

Thank you Lord B for reporting these facts, really appreciated

 

[KZNSeagull]

Let's put Lord B's comments into context. Firstly, there are a number of employees at the club who are part of the old guard from the Dick Knight days who are not happy that Bloom ousted DK and are also not happy that the club is being managed and run less like a church committee and more like an efficient, modern and expanding business.

Barber is Bloom's man, of that there is no doubt. Every decision Barber makes is sanctioned by TB. That explains a lot of resentment. Also, Barber is working flat out to make the club self-sufficient and within FFP. Even in our first year at the Amex there were huge losses made. Barber is trying to stop this and staff who were used to relatively free reign on spending are now being asked to justify every penny. Bloom was livid with the way the club was continuing ro be run and ditched Brown in favour of a CE that was strong enough to change the culture. Another cause of resentment.

Poyet's always moaned about budgets, lack of funds etc. he seemed to expect Bloom to be like Abramovich and operate on an open cheque book policy. Bloom has repeatedly told him that he must operate within the budget. Barber's job is to ensure this occurs. Given Poyet's views and his character he would clash with whoever is Chief Exec. Granted, Poyet and Barber fell out at Spurs but it's up to both if them to behave in an adult manner and bury personal differences and act in the best interests of the club. I can't comment on whether either of them has done so behind closed doors but publicly Poyet has repeatedly allowed his ego to put himself above the club. I don't think it's particularly fanciful to speculate that Poyet would have problems with whoever was Chief Exec, especially one who has FFP as a legal requirement.

This anti-Barber campaign is so misguided because it's futile, Barber is Bloom's man and if Barber did go then the next CE would have to make the same decisions because of the need to be self-financing and within FFP.

Good post.

I am not sure that TB would have wanted this whole situation to blow up like it has though.

 

[Tooting Gull]

Let's put Lord B's comments into context. Firstly, there are a number of employees at the club who are part of the old guard from the Dick Knight days who are not happy that Bloom ousted DK and are also not happy that the club is being managed and run less like a church committee and more like an efficient, modern and expanding business.

Barber is Bloom's man, of that there is no doubt. Every decision Barber makes is sanctioned by TB. That explains a lot of resentment. Also, Barber is working flat out to make the club self-sufficient and within FFP. Even in our first year at the Amex there were huge losses made. Barber is trying to stop this and staff who were used to relatively free reign on spending are now being asked to justify every penny. Bloom was livid with the way the club was continuing ro be run and ditched Brown in favour of a CE that was strong enough to change the culture. Another cause of resentment.

Poyet's always moaned about budgets, lack of funds etc. he seemed to expect Bloom to be like Abramovich and operate on an open cheque book policy. Bloom has repeatedly told him that he must operate within the budget. Barber's job is to ensure this occurs. Given Poyet's views and his character he would clash with whoever is Chief Exec. Granted, Poyet and Barber fell out at Spurs but it's up to both if them to behave in an adult manner and bury personal differences and act in the best interests of the club. I can't comment on whether either of them has done so behind closed doors but publicly Poyet has repeatedly allowed his ego to put himself above the club. I don't think it's particularly fanciful to speculate that Poyet would have problems with whoever was Chief Exec, especially one who has FFP as a legal requirement.

This anti-Barber campaign is so misguided because it's futile, Barber is Bloom's man and if Barber did go then the next CE would have to make the same decisions because of the need to be self-financing and within FFP.

Good post Buzzer. I think Barber has made some mistakes and will make some more, but I also recognise he is doing what he is paid to do in some idea of what is in the club's best interest.

I don't give much credibility to Lord B's disgruntled employee, you always get it when there is change and there is always someone ready to sound off with a grudge. Much as I don't take much notice of players for and anti Poyet suddenly coming out now (not months ago) and saying their piece.

Unlike Barber, however, Poyet did not do his job. He did not act in the best interests of the club, emphatically. He allowed his own ego to undermine what could have been a glorious finale to a best season in years, and I for one will never, ever forgive him for that. We know that through his public statements, and I suspect what we will yet discover will cast him in an even worse light.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Someone tweeted 'The silence is deafening from the Amex'. Im trying to remember the last time a suspension and investigation took this long. This is assumption but think it suggests this is nowehere near as cut and dried as some people presume.

 

[Giraffe]

Someone tweeted 'The silence is deafening from the Amex'. Im trying to remember the last time a suspension and investigation took this long. This is assumption but think it suggests this is nowehere near as cut and dried as some people presume.

Indeed. An awful lot of things yet to come out I believe, if they ever do come out. Strange times.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Top post @Buzzer Totally agree.

 

[Jim D]

Someone tweeted 'The silence is deafening from the Amex'. Im trying to remember the last time a suspension and investigation took this long. This is assumption but think it suggests this is nowehere near as cut and dried as some people presume.

There could be £5Mill riding on the outcome of this - £2.5Mill either way - so I would expect them to be dotting every i and crossing every t before they publish anything or make a statement.

 

[The Fifth Column]

<A load of unsubstantiated stuff>

 

[glasfryn]

Trying to turn around an £8m loss is penny pinching? As for laughing stock around the world, a little over dramatic don't you think?

I have read reports about this from Ireland,Bangkok Thailand, and Australia (sportal) and if the Worzel keeps on about it everyone will know and probably already does.
there are other ways to penny pinch, but surely not on security