Child Benefit Changes

[TrevorDove]

You have failed to grasp the basic points. You've resorted to insults and you are just plain wrong. Well done, a full house. I shan't bother replying to your deranged outbursts in the future. This country. You people.

I take your point, I shouldn't complain about benefit scroungers when I received a benefit in theory I didn't need.

My view is that regardless of wage, all child benefit should be stopped - this seems fair.

And as suggest previously, if there are families geniunely (not just struggling to sustain the 4 takeaway meals a month) in need then give them vouchers or a non monetary replacement, that can't be spunked on a holiday or a night out.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

Errr, once you have done a self assessment you have to do it every year forever, you can't decide to stop it. At least, that's the way I understand it.. Maybe if you are out of work for a year, can you come of it then?

I know a guy who is a millionaire, he collects his winter fuel allowance and free prescriptions and thinks nothing of it, as he has worked hard all his life, which is true. He has just sold a property and made £300k profit, he doesn't need the money so is giving it to his kids (in their 30's), they will also be getting family allowance... If this isn't an example of being means tested, I don't know what is. BTW, I am not bitter, I will lose my benefit but I think it is a good idea, IF they did it by means test across the household.

Not quite. I did my returns yearly for a long time, then one day they wrote to me and basically said "your taxes are straight forward, you don't have to do returns any more, unless your circs change". Wasn't my choice but I was happy not to have to do it ant more.

 

[ROSM]

You have failed to grasp the basic points. You've resorted to insults and you are just plain wrong. Well done, a full house. I shan't bother replying to your deranged outbursts in the future. This country. You people.

where were the insults? I made light of the fictional character you painted but cant recall insulting you.

 

[Nibble]

where were the insults? I made light of the fictional character you painted but cant recall insulting you.

Pay no heed, I am permanantly outraged at everything.

 

[Birdie Boy]

Not quite. I did my returns yearly for a long time, then one day they wrote to me and basically said "your taxes are straight forward, you don't have to do returns any more, unless your circs change". Wasn't my choice but I was happy not to have to do it ant more.

Fair do's..

 

[narly101]

despite me and my wife bringing in over £50k between us I will hapilly put the twenty quid a week or what ever it is in the "holiday fund" and i'll tell you why

Before little Jack came along my wife and I had worked without claiming benefits for a combined total of 46 years paying a lot of tax an NI in that time,

and how did we get to £50k+ between us? hard f***ing graft that's how

when Jack was born my wife took six months off paid for by money we had worked for and saved up

after six months she went back to full time work and Jack does a few shifts at an expensive nursery (not expensive by choice, they're all expensive)

now he's three my wife and I have worked for 51 years combined without claiming dole

(she has worked her whole life for the NHS so she's hardly overpaid)

anyway I agree the figures are wrong with regard to single/dual incomes, but I won't be losing any sleep by anyone on here suggesting we are not entitled to it,

perhaps those who say it shouldn't be paid should look no further than the end of their own street, they'll know doubt see three generations of layabouts that have never done a fuckin stroke of work in their lives due to a 'bad back' or because they have 'panic attacks', second thoughs maybe the golf course or the nearest Weatherspoons might be a better bet. meanwhile we'll carry on "costing the country" £900 a year

Very much this. We used part of his child benefit to pay for the Chicken Pox jabs thats it. The rest of it he'll get when he's 18.

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

You have failed to grasp the basic points. You've resorted to insults and you are just plain wrong. Well done, a full house. I shan't bother replying to your deranged outbursts in the future. This country. You people.

bet he didn't call you scrounger though. (Joke BTW) While i'm on can we substitute the word 'holiday' for the words 'Season Ticket' in all of my previous posts on this topic, as me and the boy have one of those too and it's sounds so much better, that way any one on here that's "paying for it" can use it when i'm on holiday...oh wait, that's a tricky one....leave it with me for a minute

 

[Pavilionaire]

I'm interested to see whether HMRC will be able to adminster the "charge" to recover the child benefit via PAYE / Self-Assessment correctly.

I'll also be interested to see whether there is an increase in sole trader husband's mysteriously starting up PAYE schemes to employ their wives / kids in order to reduce their profits to keep him below £50K. The system now will encourage a sole trader earning £60K to think about employing his wife and daughter on £5K each, thus reducing his earnings to £50K whilst keeping theirs below the annual tax-free Personal Allowance.

 

[Nibble]

I do think though that perhaps we could cease the 38 million pounds a year we have been and will be sending to Rwanda for the next 18 years before we start taking money off British families. Just a though Tory scum.

 

[bluenitsuj]

But is it right that two people earning just under 50k each get to keep it, whereas one earning 60k loses it?

IMO, it's an outdated benefit anyway, but surely it should be the household's total income that is takn into account?

Agree with above. I also believe that Child benefit should be withdrawn completely and child tax credits. If people want to have children, then they should pay with their money. If they cannot afford to have children then do not have them.

All benefits are given out too easily to those that have done nothing to earn it, yet those who have paid into the system, but then find themselves redundant etc find it very hard to get the benefits they deserve.

No government has the balls to change this as it will cost them a lot of votes, so they just talk the talk, a few nimbys moan, and then they back track.

 

[Bozza]

I'll also be interested to see whether there is an increase in sole trader husband's mysteriously starting up PAYE schemes to employ their wives / kids in order to reduce their profits to keep him below £50K. The system now will encourage a sole trader earning £60K to think about employing his wife and daughter on £5K each, thus reducing his earnings to £50K whilst keeping theirs below the annual tax-free Personal Allowance.

I imagine all shrewd sole traders are doing that already. Why pay 40% of £5k if you can pay 0%? And all for the little lady doing "a bit of work" (honest Mr Tax Inspector)?

 

[Sam-]

The welfare system is flawed. Purely because of human nature. So do you blame the system or blame the people?
Personally I'd rather a few people who didn't deserve help got help, than those who need help not getting it.
All this I'm paying for peoples holidays is nonsense. The amount of services people receive such as education, NHS and emergency services. The proportion of your tax going on child benefits isn't that high.
Why not go live in America if you dislike it?

 

[Jim Van Winkle]

Not having an iPhone?

In this case I am a pauper. Back up the chimney I go.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I imagine all shrewd sole traders are doing that already. Why pay 40% of £5k if you can pay 0%? And all for the little lady doing "a bit of work" (honest Mr Tax Inspector)?

The hassle of a PAYE scheme and the dubious nature of the arrangement already puts many off, but I can see the loss of child benefits as being the tipping point for a significant number of people.

 

[The Modfather]

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this is (hopefully) my last post on the subject, this whole holiday thing stems from post #27, yes we'll be having a holiday next year, as we are both working full time we assumed it'd be ok, The Modfather posts on here, he'll vouch for me, we've got Butlins in Bognor Regis for four nights, got it off groupon or somwhere similar, I'll bring you back a stick of rock - Reagards Adam

What are the dates for the cruise next year? I can't remember if we are away for 2 or 3 months?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Agree with above. I also believe that Child benefit should be withdrawn completely and child tax credits. If people want to have children, then they should pay with their money. If they cannot afford to have children then do not have them.

All benefits are given out too easily to those that have done nothing to earn it, yet those who have paid into the system, but then find themselves redundant etc find it very hard to get the benefits they deserve.

No government has the balls to change this as it will cost them a lot of votes, so they just talk the talk, a few nimbys moan, and then they back track.

Child benefit used to be a tax allowance but it was found that the male didn't give his wife the extra so it changed to child benefit that the wife could draw out of the post office.
Those children that you are reluctant to help, will be working in years to come, paying tax and NI contributions that will pay for your old age benefits. Swings & roundabouts.

 

[bluenitsuj]

Child benefit used to be a tax allowance but it was found that the male didn't give his wife the extra so it changed to child benefit that the wife could draw out of the post office.
Those children that you are reluctant to help, will be working in years to come, paying tax and NI contributions that will pay for your old age benefits. Swings & roundabouts.

Nothing to do with being reluctant to help. It's the same old same old arguement, if Joe Bloggs wants to have a family, then so be it, but they should pay for that. It is not a human right to have to have kids. Why do you think that people should get child benefit? I also think you will find that in my old age, there will be no old age benefits as such to talk about.

This is my honest opinion, I will not change that opinion, but am welcome to hear other peoples opinions.

 

[The Grub]

I totally agree that Child Benefit should be stopped altogether. It might have been brought in to encourage people to have more children. If it's taken away it will encourage people to have less children or to have children if they can afford it rather than replying on the state. If people had less hand outs it would make them get off their backsides and go and earn their own money.

 

[Chicken Run]

I feel really sorry for those unfortunate souls who earn 50-60k a year losing the child bennefit tommorow......

 

[Titanic]

I feel really sorry for those unfortunate souls who earn 50-60k a year losing the child benefit tomorrow...

We are all in this together, apparently.