FANS United for Pompey
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amexee
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Brighton, the bleeding hearts of the football world. It all gets a bit dull, boring and inevitable that BHA fans start weeping about other clubs plight.
Sure some clubs get roughly and abruptly rogered, and probably deserve some support. But to leap in protesting and supporting everyone, lessens the impact for the truly desperate cases who are trying to help themselves!
Plymouth have been more 'done unto'. Yes, as was pointed out above perhaps they could have questioned about how they could sustain a Championship side on sub-10,000 gates - but fans don't do that do they?* Plymouth's crime was overspending in trying to keep up with 'cheat' clubs like Palace and Pompey, the ones that when their criminal overspending finally catches up with them simply shuffle a few papers (and people), and then re-emerge at the the other end and carry on as if nothing had happened. In other words financial impropriety is transmitted from club to club like a virus as some 'chase the dream' and other just try to compete.
It may seem counter-intuitive but if you care about football you should be hoping that Portsmouth go bust (or are kicked out of the League). Portsmouth FC won't die, they'll simply follow the likes of Aldershot and Accrington (to name but two) and start again.
*The mere fact that fans never really seriously question where the money comes from and always want their board to spend more is why I always cringe a bit when I read comments like "It isn't the fans fault they're in trouble" every time a club hits the skids.
Hillian1
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That pikey with the tattoos donated quite a fair few quid (a couple of hundred if memory serves) of his own money to one of our fighting funds, he did not have to do this.
PFC as a whole can go f*** themselves though.
Return of the Rev
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Seeing as 47 'like it', I would guess the answer is all of them.
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Seagull Steve
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John 'Mr Pompey' Westwood.
I don't want to get into a row with you DFP, but have you ever met John? I have, and I have had a long conversation with him about football and found him knowledgeable and friendly. He was impressed with how we saved Albion and that Pompey's only rivals were Saints.
Now I am not saying we should go all out to help Portsmouth, in fact I couldn't care less about them. Just pointing out that picking out one individual, that does nothing more than support his club, to me isn't right.
BensGrandad
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I have met John on many occassions when he came into my pub in Midhurst, and stuck Play Up Pompey stickers in every conceivable place, and as you say he gives out a sense of not liking anybody other than Portsmouth but in fact he was very sympathetic towards our cause as was Dave (the drummer). I think that from the clubs perspective they should be forced to close as an example to other clubs. Perhaps a new club could be formed retaining their league registration in Div 2 as happened with Bournemouth and Boscombe United who became AFC Bournemouth rather than to have to start lower down like Aldershot and AFC Wimbledon did.
Gritt23
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Maybe if they gave the FA Cup back that they won by paying wages they couldn't afford.
Sorry, but the fans lapped up the good times, and now they are "paying" for it, albeit not in a way that gets the poor creditors their money back. Just imagine being a local business who has seen a 20 years business go down the tubes because of them, and yet they still have players like Kitson strolling around on £20k a WEEK.
This is so far removed from the situation we were in, that they shouldn't even be allowed to use the phrase "Fans United."
Sorry, but the fans lapped up the good times, and now they are "paying" for it, albeit not in a way that gets the poor creditors their money back. Just imagine being a local business who has seen a 20 years business go down the tubes because of them, and yet they still have players like Kitson strolling around on £20k a WEEK.
This is so far removed from the situation we were in, that they shouldn't even be allowed to use the phrase "Fans United."
It is about time we had a sit down with Tony Bloom and he divulged to us exactly how much he is worth and how he can justify not only paying for the stadium but whether he can carry on paying out 3 million on players etc. If we go to the Premier league will he have the financial clout to pay 30k a week for players etc.
I`d hate to think that if we ran into financial trouble at a later date that other fans looked at us and said, ''well they should have enquired''
Is that really what you lot are saying ?
I`d hate to think that if we ran into financial trouble at a later date that other fans looked at us and said, ''well they should have enquired''
Is that really what you lot are saying ?
Well you're on the right lines. The difference between Bloom and a lot of Portsmouth's owners is we knew the 'provenance' of TB. We knew he was a Brighton fan from a family of Brighton fans and we knew he wasn't just using the Albion as chance to make some money. In other words he's a classic, old school, proper owner rather than someone looking to load a club with external debt in a 'shit or bust' move.
So whilst things are ok now you're absolutely right, we have to keep an eye on off-the-field proceedings. If TB ran into trouble he could sell his interest in the Amex to a 3rd Party. Then things could get interesting ...
Blooms family has been on the board for 25+ years. That's good enough for me.
Gritt23
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Yeah, pretty much.
At the moment, we have a very wealthy lifelong fan, who is the latest generation of his family to be on the Board. That ticks a big box.
We are getting around 20k through the turnstiles each week, and we can all see the money that is being spent at the refreshments and bars each and every week. Big tick.
We appear to be buying players in line with our attendances, and matchday turnover. Tick - not a big one, as we are not party to the details.
BUT, if we crowds halved next season, and our playing budget seemed to double, with a new mystery owner on board, I think we would all be getting very worried on here about where the money was coming from. Lurch our way into the Prem, and with crowds still under 15k, we then embark on signing player after player on mega-money, then I'm sorry but when that "bubble" burst I wouldn't be expecting any sympathy from any other club. We'd have brought that upon ourselves, our clubs mistakes, our clubs failings, and others have suffered as a result, by LOSING THEIR BUSINESSES, which is far more suffering than us as fans would be "suffering" by having to watch us return to a level of football that, tbh, we're more used to anyway.
So, not double standards, as I would be mortified if it happened at the Albion. I would be shocked and embarrassed, I would be GUTTED for each and every creditor that lost out due to our disgraceful behaviour, and if I was calling on anyone's help, it would be for those creditors, and NOT for me to get back to watching a level of football that I somehow believe I deserve to be watching.
JetsetJimbo
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The real villains here are the various dodgy owners the club has had, and even more so, the FA with their laughable "fit and proper person" test which clearly doesn't work. It's easy to say "the fans went along with it", but they're not the crooks here, and it would have seemed a bit weird if they were coming out to protest while they were playing in the Prem and winning the FA Cup.
I really, really dislike Portsmouth as a club, but even I wouldn't wish them out of existence.
I really, really dislike Portsmouth as a club, but even I wouldn't wish them out of existence.
As well as the other replies, I imagine a degree of sympathy comes to plymouth because they have suffered. They have slipped quickly from the top end of the championship to the bottom of the league.
Portsmouth, got to the promised land, and kept going. Their slide was a relegation (that would have occurred without the points deduction) to the championship (the 5th best division in the world!). They haven't really suffered for their crimes.