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Acker79

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Anyway here is another:

It's a GK, and Casper goes to take it short to Painter, who realising the opposition striker is waiting to pounce on the ball. Runs and picks up the ball inside the area.
What do you give? And are any cards necessary?

Wait, what? Is the gk taken? Who is picking it up Painter or Casper? Has Painted kicked it back Casper yet? Did it leave the area? Have you just skipped over bits or is this app as confusing?

If it doesn't leave the area retake

It depends on what happened and the ref's interpretation. If Painter picked the ball up in the area it's a penalty. Deliberate handling. Whether a card is given is arguable, it likely would be because of the obviousness of it, but it isn't a given. Deliberate handling gets a yellow if it is an obvious attempt to stop/score a goal or an obvious attempt to stop the opposition get possession. You could argue that it is an obvious handling of the ball, or you could argue that it wasn't a given that the opposition player would have collected possession. Generally a yellow would be given and most people would agree it was right. Unless the opposition payer had a clear goal scoring opportunity.

If Casper is picking up the ball after he has played it to painter and painter played it back to him it would be handling of a back pass, which is not a bookable offence. An indirect free kick would be awarded.

There's a chance I'm confusing cautions with sending offs.
 




Uter

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Wait, what? Is the gk taken? Who is picking it up Painter or Casper? Has Painted kicked it back Casper yet? Did it leave the area? Have you just skipped over bits or is this app as confusing?

If it doesn't leave the area retake

It depends on what happened and the ref's interpretation. If Painter picked the ball up in the area it's a penalty. Deliberate handling. Whether a card is given is arguable, it likely would be because of the obviousness of it, but it isn't a given. Deliberate handling gets a yellow if it is an obvious attempt to stop/score a goal or an obvious attempt to stop the opposition get possession. You could argue that it is an obvious handling of the ball, or you could argue that it wasn't a given that the opposition player would have collected possession. Generally a yellow would be given and most people would agree it was right. Unless the opposition payer had a clear goal scoring opportunity.

If Casper is picking up the ball after he has played it to painter and painter played it back to him it would be handling of a back pass, which is not a bookable offence. An indirect free kick would be awarded.

There's a chance I'm confusing cautions with sending offs.

My interpretation was Casper took the GK but Painter picked it up before the ball left the penalty area.
 


Uter

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Ok! Trying to be more difficult !
From the first KO Murray who is the only player to have touched the ball shoots directly at goal and the ball goes straight in.
Goal? Or re -take?

Not too sure on this one. The only thing I'm certain of is the ball has to move forwards at KO, and it certainly does that in this case.
 






Kuipers Supporters Club

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Wait, what? Is the gk taken? Who is picking it up Painter or Casper? Has Painted kicked it back Casper yet? Did it leave the area? Have you just skipped over bits or is this app as confusing?

If it doesn't leave the area retake

It depends on what happened and the ref's interpretation. If Painter picked the ball up in the area it's a penalty. Deliberate handling. Whether a card is given is arguable, it likely would be because of the obviousness of it, but it isn't a given. Deliberate handling gets a yellow if it is an obvious attempt to stop/score a goal or an obvious attempt to stop the opposition get possession. You could argue that it is an obvious handling of the ball, or you could argue that it wasn't a given that the opposition player would have collected possession. Generally a yellow would be given and most people would agree it was right. Unless the opposition payer had a clear goal scoring opportunity.

If Casper is picking up the ball after he has played it to painter and painter played it back to him it would be handling of a back pass, which is not a bookable offence. An indirect free kick would be awarded.

There's a chance I'm confusing cautions with sending offs.

Casper takes the GK, Painter picks it up.
However, Painter HASN'T denied an 'obvious Goal Scoring Oppurtunity' as the GK has not left the area, and the ball doesn't become active.
He would be cautioned for Unsporting Behaviour, and the GK re-taken
 


Sheebo

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if Painter touches the ball, it's a backpass and pen should be awarded?

Edit:Apologies I thought Casper picked the ball up and you didn't say whether the ball left the box- be more specific!

Either way a back pass isn't a pen it's an indirect free kick.
 




Sheebo

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Casper takes the GK, Painter picks it up.
However, Painter HASN'T denied an 'obvious Goal Scoring Oppurtunity' as the GK has not left the area, and the ball doesn't become active.
He would be cautioned for Unsporting Behaviour, and the GK re-taken

I thought it is a goal kick again yes (note that a FREE KICK in the area also has to leave the box (so I believe?) but I didn't think he would be booked? How's the ref to judge if he's done it deliberately? I thought it would just be a re-take and never a card - it doesn't matter if there's a striker within one yard or 50 yards?
 


Albalbion

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im pretty sure witht he murray situation is a retake as im sure the first touch has to be a pass to the other player, hence why two people take the kick off.
 


Bob!

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im pretty sure witht he murray situation is a retake as im sure the first touch has to be a pass to the other player, hence why two people take the kick off.
This

and.....

...what happened at Dagenham on Tuesday when they kicked off for the second half?
 






Albalbion

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really? i remember hearing pele scored from the ko once or something but i always assumed the other player had tapped it to him first.
 


Goldstone Rapper

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I highly doubt this one will ever feature in You Are The Ref:

A player is through on goal and slips the ball between past the keeper but the ball gets stuck in the mud on the line.
Without touching the ball, a team mate in the attacking team chases after the ball, kneels down and uses his breath to blow the ball over the line.
Whose goal is it?
 








Robdinho

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im pretty sure witht he murray situation is a retake as im sure the first touch has to be a pass to the other player, hence why two people take the kick off.

No, the reason two people stand there is that the ball has to go forwards from the kick off (supposedly one full revolution I think but this is never enforced) - so the only way to do it and retain possession is to have two people close together.

It's definitely a goal if you score direct from kick off.
 


Mr Burns

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Aug 25, 2003
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Is there a point to this thread? Okay, ask something that has actually happened, or is likely to happen. I'd doubt if Painter would pick the ball up, probably just stop it with his foot!!!

I've got one.

A player has a dodgey gut and must leave the field. Knowing 99.99% of refs are anal, he knows he has to ask the refs premission to leave said field of play, but hence as luck would have it and being a goalkeeper, the ref is down at the other end of the pitch (probably being a tosser to someone) and on the way to gain said refs permission he can't hold it any longer, drops his shorts and sprays a vindaloo style diarrhea pudding in the center circle.

What is the referee to do?
 
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Mr Burns

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Aug 25, 2003
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I highly doubt this one will ever feature in You Are The Ref:

A player is through on goal and slips the ball between past the keeper but the ball gets stuck in the mud on the line.
Without touching the ball, a team mate in the attacking team chases after the ball, kneels down and uses his breath to blow the ball over the line.
Whose goal is it?
Well if its stuck in the mud and he's got the power to blow it in (mouth or Arse?), then I wouldn't argue with him if he wanted to claim it!
 


Kuipers Supporters Club

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I thought it is a goal kick again yes (note that a FREE KICK in the area also has to leave the box (so I believe?) but I didn't think he would be booked? How's the ref to judge if he's done it deliberately? I thought it would just be a re-take and never a card - it doesn't matter if there's a striker within one yard or 50 yards?

FK also has to leave the area yes.
It is unsporting to pick the ball up in such a manner, and so would warrant a caution
 


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