It's all over for Labour & Mr Brown

[dougdeep]

Only 7 months to go. I am ticking off the days on my calendar.

Me too, we badly need a change.

 

[acrossthepond]

...and the good guys might just nick one more win.

Does that make Gordy Butch and Mandy Sundance?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Me too, we badly need a change.

 

[Don't get me started]

Only 7 months to go. I am ticking off the days on my calender.

I seriously think they should do the decent thing and go to the country, that way the tories will get in and we can have a referendum on the Lisbon treaty where the country will decide what it wants out of Europe. Or call the tories bluff.....

 

[adrian29uk]

I think it will just be as bad or worse if the Tories get back in. What has frustrated many people with Labour is:

1) Anti social behavior. When are this goverment going to get tough and I mean tough. Some people are scared to walk out of their front doors. They talk about getting tough, but we never see any action do we. The difference with Anti social behavior these days, is that some people have lost their life, for simply telling these yobs to be quiet outside their own home.

2) Benefits. We still seem to have got this benefits culture. The average hard working person seems to be the one that suffers time and time again. The average hard working person who has lost their job due to the global recession gets sod all. Yet we still have slackers still racking it in and earning more than we do in a month.

3) Bankers. They still seem to be getting away with awarding themselves nice fat bonuses, and considering the goverment bailed them out with our money, we are still not seeing these directors bought to book.

4) Armed Forces. People are still getting killed everyday. The armed forces are poorly funded, yet the politicians thought it was ok to screw us by claiming illegal expenses on second homes. Have any of them been charged yet?

These are the issues that annoy me. But I still don't trust the tories to do a better job. Like all political parties, its all false promises.

 

[Tooting Gull]

The Tories haven't got any ideas or any policies about anything - except give a load of tax back to the super-rich. What a manifesto.

I actually think Labour have let themselves down badly in many areas, and (much as happened in 1997 with the Conservatives) that will be why they lose rather than some miracle economic panacea being offered elsewhere.

 

[Simster]

The Tories haven't got any ideas or any policies about anything - except give a load of tax back to the super-rich. What a manifesto.

I actually think Labour have let themselves down badly in many areas, and (much as happened in 1997 with the Conservatives) that will be why they lose rather than some miracle economic panacea being offered elsewhere.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Labour have f***ed everything up by appointing ineffectual clueless morons like Hariot Harman in positions of power. Loads of feeble career politicians with no stomach to make decisions or change anything or indeed able to give an honest answer to a question.

And then there's Brown - half decent Chancellor (perhaps over rated by some, but certainly competent) but not the man to run the country in the eyes of 90% of the electorate.

 

[Tooting Gull]

I've made it pretty clear where I stand overall - but I would admit that for me the biggest single f***-up on Brown's CV was selling off the 400 tons of gold against all expert advice in 1999. It is estimated that cost the country £2bn. Unbelievable, and the price duly soared after years of stagnation.

I was sitting listening to his speech yesterday as he was saying the Tories got all the big judgement calls wrong inwardly cringing.

 

[User removed 4]

I've made it pretty clear where I stand overall - but I would admit that for me the biggest single f***-up on Brown's CV was selling off the 400 tons of gold against all expert advice in 1999. It is estimated that cost the country £2bn. Unbelievable, and the price duly soared after years of stagnation.

I was sitting listening to his speech yesterday as he was saying the Tories got all the big judgement calls wrong inwardly cringing.

he let the f***ing world know weeks in advance that he was going to do it as well.

 

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[London Calling]

I think it will just be as bad or worse if the Tories get back in. What has frustrated many people with Labour is:

1) Anti social behavior. When are this goverment going to get tough and I mean tough. Some people are scared to walk out of their front doors. They talk about getting tough, but we never see any action do we. The difference with Anti social behavior these days, is that some people have lost their life, for simply telling these yobs to be quiet outside their own home.

2) Benefits. We still seem to have got this benefits culture. The average hard working person seems to be the one that suffers time and time again. The average hard working person who has lost their job due to the global recession gets sod all. Yet we still have slackers still racking it in and earning more than we do in a month.

3) Bankers. They still seem to be getting away with awarding themselves nice fat bonuses, and considering the goverment bailed them out with our money, we are still not seeing these directors bought to book.

4) Armed Forces. People are still getting killed everyday. The armed forces are poorly funded, yet the politicians thought it was ok to screw us by claiming illegal expenses on second homes. Have any of them been charged yet?

These are the issues that annoy me. But I still don't trust the tories to do a better job. Like all political parties, its all false promises.

1. How do we get tougher, if you lock them up, they will be criminals for ever. Perhaps we need to look at the Swedish, Danish, Dutch more liberal systems?

2. Benefits - how do you balance benefits againgst preventing poverty, where particularly children suffer. I think there some stat that half of all children in London live in poverty? A great stat for the wealthiest city on earth!

3. By the way I am not agruing with you. Yes we put our country in a financial rest and the banking fraternity still don't get it.

4. Fund the forces more. we train our troops etc to a world class standard, lets give them the protection and the hardware. It should be drop trident to fund our forces.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The Tories haven't got any ideas or any policies about anything - except give a load of tax back to the super-rich. What a manifesto.

I actually think Labour have let themselves down badly in many areas, and (much as happened in 1997 with the Conservatives) that will be why they lose rather than some miracle economic panacea being offered elsewhere.

Do you actually believe what you are writing ?. Its such a tired, weak and false argument.

 

[DIFFBROOK]

Do you actually believe what you are writing ?. Its such a tired, weak and false argument.

US, you love coming out with that line. But I think Tooting is probably old enough to remember the Tories in power during the 80's upto the mid 90's.

The Tories did carru out Tax cuts that benefitted those most able to look after themselves and cuts to the public sector for those less able to look after themselves. Similarly the NHS was so measily funded that it really was a second rate healthcare system. The Tories also brought the poll tax and initially thought it a grand idea, then of course there are the two recessions during their period. Also the complete spunking up the wall of North Sea oil that paid for millions of workers on the dole.

The complete destruction of our industrial base and reliance on the City (the big bang of deregulation came during their watch) meant that we have an unbalanced ecenomy. One which means we will find it harder to get out of recession.

I suppose the selling off of Council Housing and the false boom in property prices that fuelled growth in non jobs such as Estate Agents is where you come in.


The Tories never learn and Cameron will be no different to any other clueless Tory

 

[Tooting Gull]

Do you actually believe what you are writing ?. Its such a tired, weak and false argument.

Look, Uncle, I know you don't really cope too well with the whole 'different opinions' thing. Make your points, and try not to slag others off for their views. There's a good lad.

It is almost universally acknowledged that Cameron and the Tories haven't announced any policies of note or substance. They may have some brilliant ones in the cupboard. I doubt it.

 

[Easy 10]

 

[Seagull73]

Me too, we badly need a change.

To David Cameron? Things, my friend, are not that bad.

 

[beorhthelm]

The Tories haven't got any ideas or any policies about anything - except give a load of tax back to the super-rich. What a manifesto.

its funny, people keep trotting out this line... is it actually a stated policy to cut taxes? and to the 40% earners too?

its also ironic because under New Labour and Private-Public Partnerships we have had outsourcing and semi-privatistaion in many areas with no tubtumping from the left, lining the pockets of private business while retaining the inefficencies of public control.

 

[Don Quixote]

Brown will not survive the winter now. I guarantee it.

 

[Don Quixote]

One thing i do know is that i do not think Cameron will be the next prime minister. I just cannot see it happening.

 

[NS Herald]

US, you love coming out with that line. But I think Tooting is probably old enough to remember the Tories in power during the 80's upto the mid 90's.

The Tories did carru out Tax cuts that benefitted those most able to look after themselves and cuts to the public sector for those less able to look after themselves. Similarly the NHS was so measily funded that it really was a second rate healthcare system. The Tories also brought the poll tax and initially thought it a grand idea, then of course there are the two recessions during their period. Also the complete spunking up the wall of North Sea oil that paid for millions of workers on the dole.

The complete destruction of our industrial base and reliance on the City (the big bang of deregulation came during their watch) meant that we have an unbalanced ecenomy. One which means we will find it harder to get out of recession.

I suppose the selling off of Council Housing and the false boom in property prices that fuelled growth in non jobs such as Estate Agents is where you come in.


The Tories never learn and Cameron will be no different to any other clueless Tory

Agree very much with what you say and I have a funny feeling you could be absolutely right about DC.

You could also have added education to your list. At least under Labour it has recieved some reasonable funding and generally speaking our schools are vastly improved on the state they were in before Labour took power.