Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Cor, thats a surprise. "A source close to the club" then.
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Arsegas have pulled the Hammond article "Hammond hits back at Seagulls chairman"
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Really?
Dick Knight, 22/1/08: "We have been in negotiations with the player and his agent since the summer in an attempt to agree a new contract."
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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and...? so if he sat it out until June he could have gone anyway that wanted him. instead he's opted to accept a few months in the championship followed by certain relegation, though presumably on higher wages. This does not seem to be in anyones interests other than the agents.
Collar Feeler
No longer feeling collars
- Jul 26, 2003
- 1,322
Hammond is a cackbadger, end of.
tedebear
Legal Alien
Cor, thats a surprise. "A source close to the club" then.
Look it is unlikely that I am going to give you exact details, you might understand that, or you may wish to use it as reason to discredit my comments.
Fine, doesnt really bother me.
However as I dont see it as 'mind blowing' information, it will soon be common knowledge I am sure.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Well Hammond could have said it himself with his snidey little broadside from the "comfort" of Layer Road in todays press reports - but didn't.
Leads me to suspect you are probably talking bollocks.
Leads me to suspect you are probably talking bollocks.
Thats fine, not really too bothered as it was just part of my intial comments.
The main points were more the replacement of players.
Your views would be welcomed, because I see the latest signing as an expensive risk to the progress of the club, and it seems that DK remains instrumental not only in the purchasing of players ( fine ) but the indentification and letting go of them too ( unacceptable ).
I think that both the Chairman and the Manager should be working in tandom.
I am surprised at you vilification of Hammond.
He has come throught he ranks and given his all for the club and wished that he might of got his future dealt with alot earlier.
But to be forced out on the last day of the transfer window with a go or no football for a few months makes me fully understand why players actually NEED agents.
Spiros
Well-known member
Can't help but think that the worst thing we did this season was to get George O'Callaghan in on loan. It would not surprise me if words were said along the lines of 'Deano - you know you're better than this place, we both are. Instead of signing the contract they've offered just hold out for a bit and then they'll come up with something better or get you off in January to a desparate Championship club. Oh and Bas, with a moonwalk like that you should be playing in the Prem. I'm not here for ever so I can stir things up a bit for you if you like...'
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
*sigh*
He wasn't "FORCED OUT" of the club. He had a contract on the table that he didn't want to sign. With an offer of a quarter of a million pounds for him, the club decided to accept that offer rather than lose him for nothing in the summer. Even after the club accepted the offer, it was still up to Hammond whether or not to join Colchester, nobody was twisting his arm. He could have gone for nothing on a Bosman, and he WOULD have found a club in the summer, as he's a decent enough player (in patches).
Its just the guff he had his agent come out with about the club "proving its ambition" was bullshit from the start - we all knew it. He just wanted more money. Whats left a sour taste is that he simply wasn't HONEST about it. And your assertions about these threats that he'd never kick a ball for the club again are without foundation, so I'll take thjem with a pinch of salt.
(although in my opinion I would certainly have stripped him of the captaincy at least and would have been of a mind to drop him, at least before this latest injury crisis anyway)
Ok, fine, I'll believe you. I'm pleased that DK was such a firm negotiator. It's obviously sad that it came to that but we got some, totally unexpected, cash and Hammond got away. Everybody wins. PLEASE don't say 'he really wanted to stay' - then I WON'T believe you! We weren't born yesterday and we can tell when we're being spun a line. If he'd 'really wanted to stay' he'd have signed the contract. We all know that contracts don't necessarily mean you DO actually stay with the club, and if he was good enough offers would have come in. All that's happened is his plans to leave in the summer have blown up in his face because DK had the balls to stand firm.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Hammond's comments imply that Wilkins wanted him to stay. Given that he was captain and Wilkins' link to the team is the fact that Knight was content to sell him an issue for the manager?
I'd like to know Wilkins honest opinion, but there comes a time, I suppose, when the club has to shut the f*** up and get some results.
I'd like to know Wilkins honest opinion, but there comes a time, I suppose, when the club has to shut the f*** up and get some results.
Knotty
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I am sure you understand that when you take the anti-DK line in so many posts on numerous topics, people get very irritated when you don't back up your statements with facts.
You might be 100% right in everything you say but I and, I am sure, many others just can't agree with you without facts. Your comments make it seem that DK and the board are completely useless at their jobs and hardly ever get a decision right; that we should have paid players more, or the club has negotiated badly with them; that DK hounded DH out of the club. What sensible reason could there be for any of that?
To make such statements you must surely have hard evidence. If you don't then I can't see any reason for your making up such continual negative comments. Why would you want to criticise someone for the fun of it?
DK and the board have worked wonders for this club in the last 10 years - why should they be deliberately doing all the wrong things now?
You might be 100% right in everything you say but I and, I am sure, many others just can't agree with you without facts. Your comments make it seem that DK and the board are completely useless at their jobs and hardly ever get a decision right; that we should have paid players more, or the club has negotiated badly with them; that DK hounded DH out of the club. What sensible reason could there be for any of that?
To make such statements you must surely have hard evidence. If you don't then I can't see any reason for your making up such continual negative comments. Why would you want to criticise someone for the fun of it?
DK and the board have worked wonders for this club in the last 10 years - why should they be deliberately doing all the wrong things now?
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Sorry for making out The Argus had pulled this story, they must have been updating the sport front page or something when I looked.
The whole thing that comes out of this transfer window is that DK is thinking he can get away with pulling the wool over our eyes, to me it seems obvious that DW has little or no say in how the team is run or what players are in or out. I wonder who is telling the truth about Hammond's contract, looking at the recent track records I know who'd I rather believe.
I think it all stinks and the albion are rotting from the core outwards but no one cares what I think do they.....
The whole thing that comes out of this transfer window is that DK is thinking he can get away with pulling the wool over our eyes, to me it seems obvious that DW has little or no say in how the team is run or what players are in or out. I wonder who is telling the truth about Hammond's contract, looking at the recent track records I know who'd I rather believe.
I think it all stinks and the albion are rotting from the core outwards but no one cares what I think do they.....
Conkers
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Hammond is moaning about not getting a new contract at the Summer but he just openly admitted he didn't talk to his BOSS (DK) about it.
I'm sorry, but if I was at work and wanted a pay rise I would go to the person that made these kind of decisions. Dean Hammond has lost a lot of respect from me after that. It just seems he just wanted to jump ship and grab as much money as possible.
He also pointed out it should have been sorted earlier.....well we offered him a new contract so why didn't he just sign? So what if it was 6 months later than he wanted? He says his loyalty is unquestionable (or there abouts) but i'm afraid that doesn't cut it with me.
If he expects me to believe he left because he wasn't offered a new contract last season then he must think we are all mugs.
Great player for us, no doubt, but I feel DK did the right thing getting rid of him. With that mentality he was going to leave in the Summer for sure so glad we cashed in on him.
See you next season Dean
I'm sorry, but if I was at work and wanted a pay rise I would go to the person that made these kind of decisions. Dean Hammond has lost a lot of respect from me after that. It just seems he just wanted to jump ship and grab as much money as possible.
He also pointed out it should have been sorted earlier.....well we offered him a new contract so why didn't he just sign? So what if it was 6 months later than he wanted? He says his loyalty is unquestionable (or there abouts) but i'm afraid that doesn't cut it with me.
If he expects me to believe he left because he wasn't offered a new contract last season then he must think we are all mugs.
Great player for us, no doubt, but I feel DK did the right thing getting rid of him. With that mentality he was going to leave in the Summer for sure so glad we cashed in on him.
See you next season Dean
I think the fact he got £250k of Colchester proves he's good as well! They must have known the contract situation, and we'd apparently already rejected a £200k offer from them earlier on. With the window fast closing I'm amazed they didn't make a reduced offer in the hope we'd accept anything.
- Jul 10, 2003
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I happen to know that Dean had been angling for a Bosman for the last 12 months. He is local and feels loyal to the club, but knows that they can't pay him what he could get elsewhere and had he held out for a Bosman, he could have negotiated a better long term deal.
However, DK felt that he wanted to get money for Dean rather than let him go for free and tried to push the transfer through. Dean accepted the transfer as he has increased his salary and got a relegation get out clause that allows him to go to any other championship club should they get relegated.
I know this all to be FACT but, as in BigGully's case, i am not at liberty to divulge my sources.
However, DK felt that he wanted to get money for Dean rather than let him go for free and tried to push the transfer through. Dean accepted the transfer as he has increased his salary and got a relegation get out clause that allows him to go to any other championship club should they get relegated.
I know this all to be FACT but, as in BigGully's case, i am not at liberty to divulge my sources.