[Politics] Donald Trump 2024

[peterward]

In the ridiculous partisan Majorie Taylor Green lead Biden impeachment, whose star witness was busted by FBI as lying, making up his story and colluding with Russian security services.

The republicans still pressed ahead. And today the Democrat Eric Swalwell got to ask Hunter Biden some questions in Congress.

Pure comedy Gold genius.

 

[peterward]

And a bit later on when discussing release of all transcripts, Swalwells last comment is again genius.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Of course I read it and that's why I posted it.

Trump is saying Black people like him, because he is persecuted and in trouble with the law and equates that to black people.

And the NAACP deem his comments and equivalence to be racist and I totally agree with them.

And here you are, probably white?, clearly a fascist apologist in a whole world of rabbit hole delusion and conspiracy theory quackery, claiming you're actually the moral authority on what is racism towards the black Community over the NAACP?

An appeal to authority fallacy, the NAACP is a Politiclly loaded NGO. You also appear not to know what racism is. i also have not claimed any moral authority so maybe wind your neck in a bit?
Now to your only relevant point.

"Trump is saying Black people like him, because he is persecuted and in trouble with the law and equates that to black people."

Well yes he equates that to black people can relate to someone being prosecuted for no good reason. So how is that racist? Try to answer without smears, jargon and rhetoric if you can.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

To

A racist pedigree I raised last Sunday btw when his remarks were reported in the news (before the Hill picked up on it or the Black Caucus responded) - I called it out then for being shockingly racist but it went under the radar by most people …

[Politics] - Donald Trump 2024

Millions, not billions, although even that is horrendous. I think you missed my attempt at low comedy there :wink:

www.northstandchat.com

What is strange is that you conveniently side stepped my comments last Sunday about Trump being a racist when I backed them up with link reference to Trump refusing to let apartments to blacks in his NYC properties.

Its not strange, I don't read every post in this thread, i made 2 posts the last time I was on here and have 6 responses. This is my second reply on which i have spent 10 minutes reading your link.

""Yes, when I was very young, I went into my father's company — had a real estate company in Brooklyn and Queens," Trump said. "And we, along with many, manyother companies throughout the country — it was a federal lawsuit — were sued. We settled the suit with zero, with no admission of guilt."

This is a reach and proves nothing, it can be countered that trump passed a law getting black men out of jail after Hillarys husband passed a law locking them up, the" Super predators". the fact a company went along with practises to maximise revenue even though it had become illegal and which all companies in the sector where up to. With the fact it ended with no blame shows it was just meant to give a sluggish sector a kick in the butt, If this is the best you can drum up for your propaganda I feel sorry for you.

 

[Zeberdi]

To


Its not strange, I don't read every post in this thread, i made 2 posts the last time I was on here and have 6 responses. This is my second reply on which i have spent 10 minutes reading your link.

""Yes, when I was very young, I went into my father's company — had a real estate company in Brooklyn and Queens," Trump said. "And we, along with many, manyother companies throughout the country — it was a federal lawsuit — were sued. We settled the suit with zero, with no admission of guilt."
If this is the best you can drum up for your propaganda I feel sorry for you.

You quoted the link selectively - here’s another selection:

“The Justice Department sued Donald Trump, his father, Fred, and Trump Management in order to obtain a settlement in which Trump and his father would promise not to discriminate. The case eventually was settled two years later after Trump tried to countersue the Justice Department for $100 million for making false statements. Those allegations were dismissed by the court.”

The only reason ‘there was no blame’ was because rather than go to court, Trump agreed to settle ‘without prejudice’.

I don’t need to ‘drum up propaganda’ to try and prove Trump is a racist, it comes directly out of his mouth - he is his own worst enemy!

 

[BadFish]

It's like trying to discuss the finer points of renaissance art with a badger.

Although badgers are well know to be able to cope with up to 8 replies to their points.

 

[peterward]

An appeal to authority fallacy, the NAACP is a Politiclly loaded NGO. You also appear not to know what racism is. i also have not claimed any moral authority so maybe wind your neck in a bit?
Now to your only relevant point.

"Trump is saying Black people like him, because he is persecuted and in trouble with the law and equates that to black people."

Well yes he equates that to black people can relate to someone being prosecuted for no good reason. So how is that racist? Try to answer without smears, jargon and rhetoric if you can.

"An appeal to authority fallacy"
"the NAACP is a Politiclly loaded NGO"
"You also appear not to know what racism is"

Oh the irony.

Yes you did try and claim the moral authority on what the definition of racism is, and you do so by trying to undermine, belittle and denigrate the views of a black majority anti racist political movement who themselves as Black people said Trumps remarks are racist, and toss them out and instead supplant your own definitions as a most likely a white? pro Trump fanboy.

No Trump didnt just say that to equate to Black people being persecuted for no good reason. Trump is being legally prosecuted for very valid reasons as hes broken the law on numerous counts. Trump is implying that Black people should know what that feels like.

The criminal justice system has been unfair and prejudiced Black people it hasnt Trump who is already convicted on some counts for his actual crimes, there is no equivalence.

The same Trump that quoted black people as working on his house? why?

The same Trump that sat down with white supremacists the day after getting the 2016 nomination.

This Donald Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html

or this Donald Trump

Trump Attacks On Asian Americans Not Only 'Repugnant,' But 'Politically Stupid': Columnist

Republicans are dim, too, if they don't rein in Trump, whose "animus is almost pathological," warns Bloomberg's Robert A. George.

news.yahoo.com

Or a nice little round up through the years of this Donald Trump

Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020

Trump has repeatedly claimed he’s "the least racist person." His history suggests otherwise.

www.vox.com

Who just said this?

“They’re coming from Asia, they’re coming from the Middle East, coming from all over the world, coming from Africa, and we’re not going to stand for it. They’re destroying our country,” he said. “We have languages coming into our country … they have languages that nobody in this country has ever heard of. It’s a horrible thing.”

So everyone from Asia or Africa are destoying the country? and that isnt racism? You explain how a comment like that is different to saying generalist tropes like "All jews........" or "Jewish people........."

And you actually believe the Tangerine Mussolini really cares about Christian issues or border security?

Did you ever once consider he does nothing more than offer up red meat to feed the prejudices of those within his caucus just to gain power, race baiting and demonising everyone from 2 continents with racist tropes as it will appeal to the racists and white supremacists who will vote Trump? Lest you forget Trumps largest demographic group is white, uneducated and without college degree.

Words are cheap even more so out of the mouth of a serial bullshitter and power crazed grifter, always look at the actions......

though I realise its all lost on you, you've likely gone past the point of objective fact based reasoning and are all in on the post truth alternative universe.

@Crawley Dingo rather than double down on being living testimony that disinformation works. Actually pause and engage your brain.

Is that 1-1 on smears?

 

[Crawley Dingo]

"An appeal to authority fallacy"
"the NAACP is a Politiclly loaded NGO"
"You also appear not to know what racism is"

Oh the irony.

Yes you did try and claim the moral authority on what the definition of racism is, and you do so by trying to undermine, belittle and denigrate the views of a black majority anti racist political movement who themselves as Black people said Trumps remarks are racist, and toss them out and instead supplant your own definitions as a most likely a white? pro Trump fanboy.

No Trump didnt just say that to equate to Black people being persecuted for no good reason. Trump is being legally prosecuted for very valid reasons as hes broken the law on numerous counts. Trump is implying that Black people should know what that feels like.

The criminal justice system has been unfair and prejudiced Black people it hasnt Trump who is already convicted on some counts for his actual crimes, there is no equivalence.

The same Trump that quoted black people as working on his house? why?

The same Trump that sat down with white supremacists the day after getting the 2016 nomination.

This Donald Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html

or this Donald Trump

Trump Attacks On Asian Americans Not Only 'Repugnant,' But 'Politically Stupid': Columnist

Republicans are dim, too, if they don't rein in Trump, whose "animus is almost pathological," warns Bloomberg's Robert A. George.

news.yahoo.com

Or a nice little round up through the years of this Donald Trump

Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020

Trump has repeatedly claimed he’s "the least racist person." His history suggests otherwise.

www.vox.com

Who just said this?

“They’re coming from Asia, they’re coming from the Middle East, coming from all over the world, coming from Africa, and we’re not going to stand for it. They’re destroying our country,” he said. “We have languages coming into our country … they have languages that nobody in this country has ever heard of. It’s a horrible thing.”

"An appeal to authority fallacy"
"the NAACP is a Politiclly loaded NGO"
"You also appear not to know what racism is"

Oh the irony.

Yes you did try and claim the moral authority on what the definition of racism is, and you do so by trying to undermine, belittle and denigrate the views of a black majority anti racist political movement who themselves as Black people said Trumps remarks are racist, and toss them out and instead supplant your own definitions as a most likely a white? pro Trump fanboy.

No Trump didnt just say that to equate to Black people being persecuted for no good reason. Trump is being legally prosecuted for very valid reasons as hes broken the law on numerous counts. Trump is implying that Black people should know what that feels like.

The criminal justice system has been unfair and prejudiced Black people it hasnt Trump who is already convicted on some counts for his actual crimes, there is no equivalence.

The same Trump that quoted black people as working on his house? why?

The same Trump that sat down with white supremacists the day after getting the 2016 nomination.

This Donald Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html

or this Donald Trump

Trump Attacks On Asian Americans Not Only 'Repugnant,' But 'Politically Stupid': Columnist

Republicans are dim, too, if they don't rein in Trump, whose "animus is almost pathological," warns Bloomberg's Robert A. George.

news.yahoo.com

Or a nice little round up through the years of this Donald Trump

Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020

Trump has repeatedly claimed he’s "the least racist person." His history suggests otherwise.

www.vox.com

Who just said this?

“They’re coming from Asia, they’re coming from the Middle East, coming from all over the world, coming from Africa, and we’re not going to stand for it. They’re destroying our country,” he said. “We have languages coming into our country … they have languages that nobody in this country has ever heard of. It’s a horrible thing.”

So everyone from Asia or Africa are destoying the country? and that isnt racism? You explain how a comment like that is different to saying generalist tropes like "All jews........" or "Jewish people........."

And you actually believe the Tangerine Mussolini really cares about Christian issues or border security?

Did you ever once consider he does nothing more than offer up red meat to feed the prejudices of those within his caucus just to gain power, race baiting and demonising everyone from 2 continents with racist tropes as it will appeal to the racists and white supremacists who will vote Trump? Lest you forget Trumps largest demographic group is white, uneducated and without college degree.

Words are cheap even more so out of the mouth of a serial bullshitter and power crazed grifter, always look at the actions......

though I realise its all lost on you, you've likely gone past the point of objective fact based reasoning and are all in on the post truth alternative universe.

@Crawley Dingo rather than double down on being living testimony that disinformation works. Actually pause and engage your brain.

Is that 1-1 on smears?

So everyone from Asia or Africa are destoying the country? and that isnt racism? You explain how a comment like that is different to saying generalist tropes like "All jews........" or "Jewish people........."

And you actually believe the Tangerine Mussolini really cares about Christian issues or border security?

Did you ever once consider he does nothing more than offer up red meat to feed the prejudices of those within his caucus just to gain power, race baiting and demonising everyone from 2 continents with racist tropes as it will appeal to the racists and white supremacists who will vote Trump? Lest you forget Trumps largest demographic group is white, uneducated and without college degree.

Words are cheap even more so out of the mouth of a serial bullshitter and power crazed grifter, always look at the actions......

though I realise its all lost on you, you've likely gone past the point of objective fact based reasoning and are all in on the post truth alternative universe.

@Crawley Dingo rather than double down on being living testimony that disinformation works. Actually pause and engage your brain.

Is that 1-1 on smears?

You are becoming even more abusive and demented.

NY times article is behind paywall so copy paste.

“They’re coming from Asia, they’re coming from the Middle East, coming from all over the world, coming from Africa, and we’re not going to stand for it. They’re destroying our country,” he said. “We have languages coming into our country … they have languages that nobody in this country has ever heard of. It’s a horrible thing.”

This isn't racist, he is saying that the imported voters are likely to destabilise the USA, the imported voters by numbers add up to 14 congressional seats. This is why immigration control is being ratcheted up the agenda and to an extent always have been.


I could provide at least 3 videos of Biden making racist remarks, you haven't provided anything other than hearsay and innuendo from leftist rags.

Its a mixture of confirmation bias, bad faith and Trump derangement syndrome you need to get out and get some air..

 

[Crawley Dingo]

I don’t need to ‘drum up propaganda’ to try and prove Trump is a racist, it comes directly out of his mouth - he is his own worst enemy!

See my post above, i could provide half a dozen videos of Hillary, Biden making racist remarks but so far you've been unable to provide one. Just historical innuendo.

 

[Bodian]

See my post above, i could provide half a dozen videos of Hillary, Biden making racist remarks but so far you've been unable to provide one. Just historical innuendo.

I could provide at least 3 videos of Biden making racist remarks, you haven't provided anything other than hearsay and innuendo from leftist rags.

Please do so, then we can judge for ourselves. Thanks.

 

[Zeberdi]

See my post above, i could provide half a dozen videos of Hillary, Biden making racist remarks but so far you've been unable to provide one. Just historical innuendo.

It is not innuendo ffs - nor is it historical- I will remind you again of my post last week which started all this:

Wow, just wow …

Speaking at an event for black conservatives in South Carolina ahead of Saturday's Republican primary, Trump in an unbridled fit of racial stereotyping compared his being charged with criminal offences to the historic legacy of prejudice against African-Americans in the US legal system. He also said he ‘knew a lot of black people’ because they built his hotels/casinos.

How can he not see how wrong and racist that is on so many levels - yep Trump, your alleged crimes and assaults on women that you are being ‘victimised for’ is comparable to those who have been subjected to appalling institutionalised racism for hundreds of years because of the colour of their skin.

Donald Trump says his four criminal cases have boosted his support among black people

The former US president was speaking in South Carolina ahead of Saturday's Republican primary when he also claimed black Americans had "embraced" his mugshot.

news.sky.com

This story that I initially quoted above of an event Trump attended last week was subsequently picked up on by various media outlets as an example of Trump’s racist views, leading to a week of media backlashes against Trump, which were also subsequently quoted by other people on here. I was not alone in seeing his comments as racist it turns out but I certainly reacted to his remarks as racist independent of any media outlet to tell me what to think.

 

[Bodian]

It is not innuendo ffs - nor is it historical- I will remind you again of my post last week which started all this:


This story that I initially quoted above of an event Trump attended last week was subsequently picked up on by various media outlets as an example of Trump’s racist views, leading to a week of media backlashes against Trump, which were also subsequently quoted by other people on here. I was not alone in seeing his comments as racist it turns out but I certainly reacted to his remarks as racist independent of any media outlet to tell me what to think.

Ah yes - but they'll just tell you that you have been so brainwashed and pre-conditioned by the MSM to think this way about Trump that they no longer have to guide you, and you can misinterpret everything he says on your own now!

 

[Zeberdi]

Ah yes - but they'll just tell you that you have been so brainwashed and pre-conditioned by the MSM to think this way about Trump that they no longer have to guide you, and you can misinterpret everything he says on your own now!

I don’t think anyone who has read the Israel/Hamas thread could possibly accuse me of lacking independence of thought on NSC or being influenced by the MSM (the very opposite!) more likely CD will accuse me of generating fake news content on social media platforms to turn gullible unsuspecting innocents against DT.

 

[NooBHA]

The person who has studied Donald Trump the most is David Cay Johnston. Just watch any of his YouTube videos on Trump and he will clear up any doubts anyone has on Trumps position on Racism and any other subject about him for that matter

 

[Stat Brother]

The person who has studied Donald Trump the most is David Cay Johnston. Just watch any of his YouTube videos on Trump and he will clear up any doubts anyone has on Trumps position on Racism and any other subject about him for that matter

Trump paid for a full page ad demanding 6 innocent black men be sentenced to death.
He's never apologised.

 

[NooBHA]

Trump paid for a full page ad demanding 6 innocent black men be sentenced to death.
He's never apologised.

I know Johnston goes into all that. He knows everything on Trump. He even clears up the misconceptions that Trump has several times declared himself bankrupt. He actually has never personally declared himself bankrupt. His Organisations have several times filed for Bankruptcy but personally he hasn't.

Johnston knows everything about Trump. So much so that Trump refers to him as " The Weird Guy " He has threaten to sue Johnston a dozen times and Johnston just says to him. " Bring it on " because he never writes or says anything about Trump thate he doesn't have the goods on.

So much so that he even tells a story about a Public meeting with the Japanese Prime Minister and Trump at a Trump hotel where they set out two glasses of water to take the photo. And the Trump former Hotel in Washington charged the US Treasury Seven Dollars and 50 cents. He even has a copy of that receipt.

His knowledge on Trump is phenomenal. And he isn't kind at all about him. He makes it clear that Trump is Racist as was his father and his Grandfather was a Pimp. And he has the back up for everything he says. That's why Trump has never sued Johnson despite being the most litigant person in history. Johnston knows he can back up everything he says with facts. That's why I suggested in my post to watch some of his lengthy videos on Trump.

 

[Stat Brother]

Don't you mean Drumpf?

 

[peterward]

You are becoming even more abusive and demented.

NY times article is behind paywall so copy paste.

“They’re coming from Asia, they’re coming from the Middle East, coming from all over the world, coming from Africa, and we’re not going to stand for it. They’re destroying our country,” he said. “We have languages coming into our country … they have languages that nobody in this country has ever heard of. It’s a horrible thing.”

This isn't racist, he is saying that the imported voters are likely to destabilise the USA, the imported voters by numbers add up to 14 congressional seats. This is why immigration control is being ratcheted up the agenda and to an extent always have been.


I could provide at least 3 videos of Biden making racist remarks, you haven't provided anything other than hearsay and innuendo from leftist rags.

Its a mixture of confirmation bias, bad faith and Trump derangement syndrome you need to get out and get some air..

I will always talk straight. It that offends you, I apologise in advance.

You are either a fool imho, a person in denial who simply refuses to accept reality, or a racist/fascist apologist.

I'm well reasoned, not demented, 2nd account Trump fanboy, you are for trying to defend and promote the indefensible.

"leftist rags"? And there you were saying don't use "jargon or rhetoric"
They are the actual quotes and actual actions of a racist you openly fawn over, lie for and seek to justify and promote.

The quote in the NYT is in 100s of others including AP, that in the 70s The trump family policy was "no blacks" in properties and the FBI investigated it.

Donald Trump's father 'told staff' to 'get rid of blacks' when running property firm with his son, FBI dossier claims

Claims in newly released 389-page FBI dossier, relating to when Donald Trump was president of the family property company, risk causing US President fresh embarrassment, while fuelling his anger at US intelligence agencies

www.independent.co.uk

The vox article highlights numerous accounts of Trump racist remarks/actions over decades.

Did he do those things or say them?

Not "whatabout Biden", Not "its a rag", not "here is my narrative", did Donald Trump do/say them?

You think you can just will it away by throwing out a bit more bullshit, or create some new narrative to justify it to yourself as "nothing to see here?

The quote you made above is racist.

To type cast a whole continent "Asia/Africa" as "destroying our country" is racist all day every day. Try and spin any slant, everything you wrote as his reasons or context are entirely false, and are simply made up by you to seek to justify it to yourself. Your disinformation isn't going to work.

You either haven't got a clue what racism is, or you are a willing apologist for it.

African dentists paying taxes, Asian bankers paying taxes are not destroying anything at all, and nor is every immigrant from either "jails, prisons, mental assylum, terrorists" and yet Trump makes absolute race baiting statements that are unequivocally racist.

Racist attacks increased by 150% during Trumps term in office.

This is what he said to Mitch McConnel about his Chinese descendent wife Elaine Chao.

"He has a DEATH WISH. Must immediately seek help and advise from his China loving wife, Coco Chow!”

Coco Chow? Really.

What of this? Come and tell us all of your made up nonsense justification

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-repeats-poisoning-blood-anti-immigrant-remark-2023-12-16/

Here are the ACTUAL words of Trump.

[to supporters in NH Dec 2023, referring to immigrants - notice similarities to latest rant?]

“They’re poisoning the blood of our country, that’s what they’ve done. They’ve poisoned mental institutions and prisons all over the world, not just in South America, not just the three or four countries that we think about, but all over the world. They’re coming into our country, from Africa, from Asia, all over the world. Nobody’s even looking at it.”

You know someone else made quotes about “poisoning the blood" of Germanic Aryans, in a book called “Mein Kampf,” in 1925.

Are you racist? White supremacist? Or just a racist/fascist apologist?

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Please do so, then we can judge for ourselves. Thanks.

Biden refers to black man as boy, skip to 4.40.


Biden calls black kids roaches(Cockroaches are rumoured to come to North America on slave ships)


Biden N word.

"We Don't Need Any More Nigger Big Shots" Says Joe Biden

Joe Biden once said the dreaded "N-word" quoting someone else. The very thing that Leftists scream is "racist." ⚠️ Order your _*Let’s Go Brandon!*_ shirt here: https://TeeSpring.com/lets_go-brandon ⚠️

rumble.com

Hilary calling urban gangs "super predators".


If De zerbi and Peter Ward where anything other than political hacks joining in a smear campaign there would be just as much outrage.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I don’t think anyone who has read the Israel/Hamas thread could possibly accuse me of lacking independence of thought on NSC or being influenced by the MSM (the very opposite!) more likely CD will accuse me of generating fake news content on social media platforms to turn gullible unsuspecting innocents against DT.

He was being facetious.