[Football] Everton deduction reduced to 6 points [Update 8/4: ...and another 2 points]

[Pavilionaire]

Albion fans can look at this objectively because we are not threatened by being overtaken by Everton whether the fine is 1 point or 50 points, yet there isn't one person on this thread that thinks 6 points is a fair punishment.

Indeed, you look at the comments on the BBC story and it is clear non-Everton fans feel the same, with every other fan also commenting on Citeh appearing to get off scot-free.

I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of football fans now think the Premier League is corrupt. I think it is more a case of the League being inept and under-resourced. Their legal teams should not be losing cases like this. Everton haven't got a pot to piss in, yet their team can still attack the sanction and rip it apart, so it's no wonder the teams belonging to Middle Eastern nation states and multi-billionaire with endless legal resources have yet to be brought to book.

I'd like to know why the Everton case has been heard before the Citeh case. To me it looks like the Premier league simply went for the low-hanging fruit.

 

[Jim in the West]

Whilst Everton get 4 points back, this surely makes it much more likely that they'll be docked further points (in relation to the alleged second breach). The independent appeal board found in favour of the initial commission on 7 out of 9 findings. The ones they over-turned related to (a) Everton failing to act in good faith, and (b) not following other benchmarks ref the quantum of the points deduction.

So the fact and extent of the over-spend has been agreed by two independent bodies. Of course we don't (yet) know the extent of the over-spend in the caae of the second alleged breach, but logically there will be some sort of points deduction. Hopefully, given the lengthy report the appeals board has produced (thereby creating a better framework for future decisions, I think), the process in relation to the second alleged breach can be completed speedily.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

Whilst Everton get 4 points back, this surely makes it much more likely that they'll be docked further points (in relation to the alleged second breach). The independent appeal board found in favour of the initial commission on 7 out of 9 findings. The ones they over-turned related to (a) Everton failing to act in good faith, and (b) not following other benchmarks ref the quantum of the points deduction.

So the fact and extent of the over-spend has been agreed by two independent bodies. Of course we don't (yet) know the extent of the over-spend in the caae of the second alleged breach, but logically there will be some sort of points deduction. Hopefully, given the lengthy report the appeals board has produced (thereby creating a better framework for future decisions, I think), the process in relation to the second alleged breach can be completed speedily.

good let's hope it drops them in the relegation zone, with points to make up.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

He hasn't been anywhere near the England squad for nearly 3 years. Southgate will probably pick him over Bellingham now I've said that.

I think I read he'd not scored for 20 (twenty) games for the Toffees!

 

[Weststander]

Yes, the "corrupt" messaging, was very successful.

The PL absolutely do not want their brand next to this word.

This was a compromise conclusion

This.

Sky would have to forever archive the relentless “The Guardiola Miracle” documentaries sponsored by Vaseline BP.

 

[Jim in the West]

I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of football fans now think the Premier League is corrupt. I think it is more a case of the League being inept and under-resourced. Their legal teams should not be losing cases like this. Everton haven't got a pot to piss in, yet their team can still attack the sanction and rip it apart, so it's no wonder the teams belonging to Middle Eastern nation states and multi-billionaire with endless legal resources have yet to be brought to book.

I'd like to know why the Everton case has been heard before the Citeh case. To me it looks like the Premier league simply went for the low-hanging fruit.

In relation to the two highlighted points:

1. They didn't lose the case.... 7 of the 9 points were upheld. Of the 2 they didn't win, the important one related to not properly taking account of other benchmarks [probably a schoolboy error, but the good news is that there's now much more certainty around what future sanctions should look like. And it's not the Premier League anyway, the original points deduction was imposed by an Independent Commission;

2. Ref Citeh, from what we all understand, the issue is the massive complexity of the multiple alleged breaches. Plus (allegedly) Man City not co-operating with the EPL. In the case of Everton, it was all relatively straightforward, plus EFC co-operated with the EPL.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I think I read he'd not scored for 20 (twenty) games for the Toffees!

A good lesson for us to remember if we're considering criticising a striker who's gone a few without scoring.

 

[Bry Nylon]

In the case of Everton, it was all relatively straightforward, plus EFC co-operated with the EPL.

Looking at the relative weakness at the bottom of the PL this season, I'm pretty certain Everton wanted to get any potential points deduction done and dusted asap. Never going to have a better chance of having points docked AND still finish 17th or above.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Looking at the relative weakness at the bottom of the PL this season, I'm pretty certain Everton wanted to get any potential potential points deduction done and dusted asap. Never going to have a better chance of having points docked AND still finish 17th or above.

But another 6 this season, would still have them in the doo doo

 

[hans kraay fan club]

In relation to the two highlighted points:

1. They didn't lose the case.... 7 of the 9 points were upheld. Of the 2 they didn't win, the important one related to not properly taking account of other benchmarks [probably a schoolboy error, but the good news is that there's now much more certainty around what future sanctions should look like. And it's not the Premier League anyway, the original points deduction was imposed by an Independent Commission;

2. Ref Citeh, from what we all understand, the issue is the massive complexity of the multiple alleged breaches. Plus (allegedly) Man City not co-operating with the EPL. In the case of Everton, it was all relatively straightforward, plus EFC co-operated with the EPL.

To be honest, if the 'benchmark' / precedent had dictated that 6 points was an equitable punishment, I'd still have hit them with 10.

It may feel like the commission got the figure wrong, and that the appeal has confirmed that, BUT - I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever, that had the commission handed down a six point deduction, Everton would have appealed and tried to get THAT reduced.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

To be honest, if the 'benchmark' / precedent had dictated that 6 points was an equitable punishment, I'd still have hit them with 10.

It may feel like the commission got the figure wrong, and that the appeal has confirmed that, BUT - I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever, that had the commission handed down a six point deduction, Everton would have appealed and tried to get THAT reduced.

I'm sure they would.

But if the PL had set clear parameters of what could and couldn't be appealed, then it would just failed.

The successful appeal just makes it look like everybody is just making this up as they go along.

Surely if you're going to be putting in rules like PSR, the clubs, the independent commission and all stakeholders need to have some clear reference as to the punishments. They may have done this, but if so the commission has been completely incompetent in applying it

 

[Hotchilidog]

Albion fans can look at this objectively because we are not threatened by being overtaken by Everton whether the fine is 1 point or 50 points, yet there isn't one person on this thread that thinks 6 points is a fair punishment.

Indeed, you look at the comments on the BBC story and it is clear non-Everton fans feel the same, with every other fan also commenting on Citeh appearing to get off scot-free.

I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of football fans now think the Premier League is corrupt. I think it is more a case of the League being inept and under-resourced. Their legal teams should not be losing cases like this. Everton haven't got a pot to piss in, yet their team can still attack the sanction and rip it apart, so it's no wonder the teams belonging to Middle Eastern nation states and multi-billionaire with endless legal resources have yet to be brought to book.

I'd like to know why the Everton case has been heard before the Citeh case. To me it looks like the Premier league simply went for the low-hanging fruit.

Because it as one case and was fairly simple to deal with. Annoyingly the City case is ludicrously complicated and will take longer to prosecute. It's annoying but due process has to be followed, just pointing at City and saying they are obviously guilty will not cut the legal mustard. They will get theirs, eventually.

 

[Mellotron]

Surely Man City's non-compliance with the investigation is worthy of a decent sized punishment on it's own?!

 

[Hotchilidog]

Surely Man City's non-compliance with the investigation is worthy of a decent sized punishment on it's own?!

You would like to think so.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Because it as one case and was fairly simple to deal with. Annoyingly the City case is ludicrously complicated and will take longer to prosecute. It's annoying but due process has to be followed, just pointing at City and saying they are obviously guilty will not cut the legal mustard. They will get theirs, eventually.

I agree.

It will be annoying waiting for them to be dealt with. And If I was a Liverpool or Arsenal fan, i'd be livid.

But I think they are going to get found guilty and be given a fitting, and absolutely hilarious punishment

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Surely Man City's non-compliance with the investigation is worthy of a decent sized punishment on it's own?!

The way I understand it. It's not an offence in itself, but is an aggravating factor if they are found to have been in breach.

And I don't remember too many instances in any legal process where a person, or body is charged with over 100 offences and they are cleared on all of them.

 

[WhingForPresident]

That f***ing chant that goes WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anyone know what that chant was?! It sounded bloody ridiculous, couldn't make out any of it.

 

[Commander]

I agree.

It will be annoying waiting for them to be dealt with. And If I was a Liverpool or Arsenal fan, i'd be livid.

But I think they are going to get found guilty and be given a fitting, and absolutely hilarious punishment

Like what?

 

[dazzer6666]

Dullard on Talksport warning....any minute now apparently

 

[DJ NOBO]

Surely Man City's non-compliance with the investigation is worthy of a decent sized punishment on it's own?!

Obviously not