[Albion] Where is Moises going? (Chelsea - 14/08/2023)

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Not letting this go are we!!

‘Brighton have been clear in negotiations with Chelsea that selling them Levi Colwill, the 20-year-old centre back who spent last season on loan at the Amex, would make them more amenable to a deal’

In that article the writer says:

"Chelsea had set a cap on the amount they were willing to spend on Caicedo and were optimistic about getting a deal done for £80 million or below."

Where on earth did they get that idea from?! I've avoided calling them joke/clueless negotiators up to this point, but really!

 

[Clive Walker]

I don’t follow this logic. He was happy with the wage offered a few months ago when he knew full well we would be after 100 million this summer. What changed?

Nothing is my view. Guessing that the new contract was a sweetener. Get us into Europe and we’ll speak again in the summer. RDZ alluded to him leaving after the last game of the season.

We won’t stand in the way of the deal but I think the £100m valuation is about getting the very best deal. That might end up being 90m as I’m almost certain he’s off.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Get in, Caicedo for another season!

 

[Clive Walker]

Have to say our social media is going overboard on pictures of Caicedo, my Facebook feed is full of them. Thats a very public show to suggest he's staying.

Very much looking like it's Colwill or bust for this deal.

On the flip side. Moises, who was regular poster and liker of Bhafc related content, has gone radio silent for weeks.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Nothing is my view. Guessing that the new contract was a sweetener. Get us into Europe and we’ll speak again in the summer. RDZ alluded to him leaving after the last game of the season.

We won’t stand in the way of the deal but I think the £100m valuation is about getting the very best deal. That might end up being 90m as I’m almost certain he’s off.

You're determined he's going. Perhaps to your main team, Clive?

 

[Springal]

I don’t follow this logic. He was happy with the wage offered a few months ago when he knew full well we would be after 100 million this summer. What changed?

You could argue the same for Dunks almost annual new contracts surely

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Nothing is my view. Guessing that the new contract was a sweetener. Get us into Europe and we’ll speak again in the summer. RDZ alluded to him leaving after the last game of the season.

We won’t stand in the way of the deal but I think the £100m valuation is about getting the very best deal. That might end up being 90m as I’m almost certain he’s off.

Yeah, I think we all are/were.

But Chelsea do not hold any cards in this negotiation.
They aren't offering Moises anything other than better wages.

If it was City/United/Real then sure, his head would be turned.
Wages and career progression and glory

Chelsea can't guarantee all of these things.
At this moment in time, we are offering more career progression than Chelsea.

Moises is going to retire a very rich man, regardless of who will be paying his wages this season.

 

[Clive Walker]

You're determined he's going. Perhaps to your main team, Clive?

Haha no. I’d love him to stay. But I’m realistic.

I was on a session with Paul barber last night and he was pretty clear. “Who am I to stand in the way of someone looking to progress his career, I’ve moved companies to do the exact same thing”. He caveated that with the need for Brighton to get a deal that’s right for them. That might end up being something between 80-100m and not 100m+ as I do think we’re correctly trying to get as much out of the deal as possible.

 

[Bozza]

This.

The Chelsea Chavs bleating on about their "History", is ignoring their very concerning present.
Before Abramovich they were a minor player.
The lst couple of seasons may have ended with them as World champions, but in retrospect they were clearly at the end of that road.

Boehly has bought peak Chelsea and broken it.
There is absolutely no guarantee that his money will take them back to the top again.

Boehly is up against 2 state run clubs, United and Liverpool and a resurgent Arsenal (with as much backing as them).
UCL is going to be a struggle.

Chelsea is not the destination it once was.
Moises waiting another year, to see how Poch gets on, is the best option for him, IMO.

Maybe.

But look at the games in the US to date:

Albion v Chelsea - essentially a Chelsea home game.
Albion v Brentford - played in front of two men and a dog, before the stadium filled up to watch Chelsea play.

We can have great fun pointing and laughing as they stumble from one mess to another (Exhibit Z: their lack of shirt sponsor), but for a young man from a very humble Ecuadorian upbringing, playing for Chelsea will be seen as a massive, massive thing.

 

[trueblue]

Maybe.

But look at the games in the US to date:

Albion v Chelsea - essentially a Chelsea home game.
Albion v Brentford - played in front of two men and a dog, before the stadium filled up to watch Chelsea play.

We can have great fun pointing and laughing as they stumble from one mess to another (Exhibit Z: their lack of shirt sponsor), but for a young man from a very humble Ecuadorian upbringing, playing for Chelsea will be seen as a massive, massive thing.

I think both opinions can be true. You're right - Chelsea, to a newer generation of fans, are a massive club and Moises would see them that way. It's also very possible we'll be talking in a few years about how they WERE a massive club for a couple of decades under Abramovich but never managed to hit those heights again. They've got money but other clubs now have more and are better organised. Going there could prove to be a mistake compared to waiting a season, playing in Europe and joining a more stable outfit.

 

[Oh_aye]

[/QUOTE]
If CFC 'had a ceiling'

Is Caicedo really the only DM option for Chelsea then ? Is there nobody else IN THE WORLD who they could turn to as another option, more within the spectrum of what they want to spend ? Nobody else on their list ? Or maybe its just a bit embarrassing for a "big club" like Chelsea to go and take a punt on someone nobody has ever heard of, like we have to.

They seem to have all their eggs in a Caicedo-sized basket for some reason. I thought they poached our backroom scouting team to, ya know, find some players. Yet still they only seem to be shopping in Harrods, instead of finding some quality bargains in the middle aisle of Lidl.

Not sure this kind of ongoing transfer saga was what Winstanly was brought in for there. But then everyone who has gone from BHA to CFC has died on their arse, within that shambolic toxic club. I hope this is pointed out to Moises.

Apparently Winstanley Is the 'joint' head of recruitment with some other geezer. And the guy they brought in a month ago to work with them has already left. Nothing says dysfunctional organisation like having a load of 'interims' or a hierarchical structure with 2 managers sharing. It means decision making is committee and overwrought. Let's face it, the likes of Winstanley and Co are doing the same thing as the players that have Naffed off to Saudi. Jumped on the gravy train while people who are clueless are throwing money around. They'll bugger off again once it all stops.

The other thing I find odd about Chelsea is that they've made a big play about doing a richer version of 'a brighton'. So bought a load of good young players. Casadei, Chukwumeuke or whatever, Santos etc etc. If they want to do a Brighton they actually have to, like, actually play those players.

What's the point in hoovering up all that young talent and then spending 100m on a person a year older than them to play in that position.

They're just a shambles. The messy imbalanced nature of their squad is mirrored through the club.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

I think both opinions can be true. You're right - Chelsea, to a newer generation of fans, are a massive club and Moises would see them that way. It's also very possible we'll be talking in a few years about how they WERE a massive club for a couple of decades under Abramovich but never managed to hit those heights again. They've got money but other clubs now have more and are better organised. Going there could prove to be a mistake compared to waiting a season, playing in Europe and joining a more stable outfit.

Clubs like Chelsea stand to lose more than most out of the Saudi League. They could be a spent force very quickly.

 

[Bozza]

I think both opinions can be true. You're right - Chelsea, to a newer generation of fans, are a massive club and Moises would see them that way. It's also very possible we'll be talking in a few years about how they WERE a massive club for a couple of decades under Abramovich but never managed to hit those heights again. They've got money but other clubs now have more and are better organised. Going there could prove to be a mistake compared to waiting a season, playing in Europe and joining a more stable outfit.

Again- maybe.

Chelsea now being on a terminal decline is entirely speculative. If the Boehly era ends in failure and he gives up and goes home, there won't be a shortage of mega-wealth prepared to step in. Money neither buys nor guarantees success, we all know that, but it does enhance the probability of finding it.

And regardless of Chelsea's trajectory over the next few years, Caicedo won't become a bad player and subsequent doors to other big clubs won't have slam shut.

 

[Farehamseagull]

I bet Bloom/Barber/Weir couldn’t believe our luck when we got Caicedo to sign that new contract without a release ‘mechanism’.

How naive is his agent?!

 

[Oh_aye]

Haha no. I’d love him to stay. But I’m realistic.

I was on a session with Paul barber last night and he was pretty clear. “Who am I to stand in the way of someone looking to progress his career, I’ve moved companies to do the exact same thing”. He caveated that with the need for Brighton to get a deal that’s right for them. That might end up being something between 80-100m and not 100m+ as I do think we’re correctly trying to get as much out of the deal as possible.

Did he give any hints as to which Paul Barber an organisation might get in as a replacement when theoretical Paul Barber does eventually go for the right price?

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Maybe.

But look at the games in the US to date:

Albion v Chelsea - essentially a Chelsea home game.
Albion v Brentford - played in front of two men and a dog, before the stadium filled up to watch Chelsea play.

We can have great fun pointing and laughing as they stumble from one mess to another (Exhibit Z: their lack of shirt sponsor), but for a young man from a very humble Ecuadorian upbringing, playing for Chelsea will be seen as a massive, massive thing.

Yeah I can understand that reasoning.
But he seems to be appreciative of the players around him and the coaches he has been developed by.
On top of this he will have seen what has happened to Cucurella.

In this regard his humbleness is a blessing for us.
Playing in the Premier League for a very well run club is not a bad place to be, for now.
Next season? Probably much less so.

 

[Clive Walker]

Did he give any hints as to which Paul Barber an organisation might get in as a replacement when theoretical Paul Barber does eventually go for the right price?

No, he did talk about succession planning thoughout the club. He also said he doesn't like state ownership but thats as close to the whole saudi job question that was being spoken about a few weeks ago.

 

[Brian Fantana]

Chelsea have partly created their own difficulties here, by consistently overpaying for the past couple of windows. That has naturally created the belief that they CAN afford £100m, if they want to.

Secondly, Arsenal paying £105m for a player who Caicedo essentially left on the verge of tears not too many months ago has created a further, quite reasonable IMO, viewpoint that we shouldn't be accepting any less from a potential move.

MC signed a new long-term deal within the last few months, with seemingly no release clause or other mechanism for engineering a move, which basically leaves the Albion holding all the cards - especially when you take into account my first two paragraphs.

 

[Hotchilidog]

I think £100m valuation is fair, given how integral he has been to our success, Caceido is a top tier DM and the market has been set by Rice. Not withstanding that Chelsea have already blown over £100m on Enzo.

Chelsea have not made serious bid yet and quite frankly have been taking the proverbial whilst hoping that flashing money in front of Caceido's agents will be enough to force the move. They have been quite frankly pathetic.

Caceido didn't just sign an extension it was a proper 4year deal which I presume was worth quite a hefty pay rise. Moises definitely has age on his side, he'll get a European campaign, hopefully another shot at the top six not mention a really good working environment which can only help to bring his game on a lot more.

A good year at the Albion and bigger clubs than Chelsea will come in for him.

If Chelsea crack and finally offer something in the £90/95m region they may get him, but we hold all the cards in this deal. If Bloom is not happy with the deal it will not happen, it's as simple as that.

 

[dwayne]

Get in, Caicedo for another season!

Unfortunately dont see it like that. Until they are actively pursuing other targets we have to assume they're gonna keep coming back.