"Yet only four miles away in Falmer are kids who, unbelievably, have never seen the sea."

[Gwylan]

i call bullshit too. this would suggest their parents have never tried to take them on a bus about 1-2miles: that they have never been to London Road, Churchill Square or the Cinema. unless these deprived families all have internet for all shopping, i dont see this happening.

She's talking about Moulsecoomb, the estate next to BACA. I'd guess that more than 90% of families do their shopping at Asda in Hollingbury via the free bus.

I would say that, even in Moulsecoomb, the vast majority of kids will have been to the seafront but the journo may have met two families (or even one) and that would be enough to make into print. It's hard to say without reading the whole article

 

[JBizzle]

How old are the kids in question? Mine is 7 months and I haven't taken him to the seaside yet due to the weather. I'd like to think that by 5 years old we'd have made the pilgrimmage from Patcham though...

 

[Stat Brother]

i call bullshit too. this would suggest their parents have never tried to take them on a bus about 1-2miles: that they have never been to London Road, Churchill Square or the Cinema. unless these deprived families all have internet for all shopping, i dont see this happening. if they really havent seen the sea its because their parents deem there isnt much to see (and to be frank they'd be right)

No postman would have written that.

There are roads, the poorer ones, in all our areas that must have statues in China praising them for keeping their economy afloat.
There's no point trying to deliver 'early', before noon.
They are always at home.
They are mostly wearing pyjamas.
School aged children will be at home during term time.

If talking about 'which children had never been taken the half a mile to the beach', I know where I could find some.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

She was probably using the word 'see' in a metaphorical sense. Many years ago, in the terrible Maria Colwell case, it was reported that the victim had never been to the sea in spite of living in the town all her little life.

Janice Turner's real nonsense is getting confused about what Falmer is.

 

[Bozza]

When we were campaigning for Falmer and the 'Yes Yes' referendum, I took time off work to help. Most of the time was at Churchill Square leafleting with the 'Right Here Right Now' video van, but some time was spent driving around areas of Brighton in a van with a tannoy appealing for people to come out and vote.

I'll be honest - some of the areas we went to, I'd never been to before (nor since, possibly) but the chap who accompanied me in the van (and I don't remember his name now) said exactly the same thing - that there were children in Brighton's poorest estates who had never been to the sea front.

Maybe it's one of Brighton's urban myths that keeps getting trotted out every now and again.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

She's talking about Moulsecoomb, the estate next to BACA. I'd guess that more than 90% of families do their shopping at Asda in Hollingbury via the free bus.

I would say that, even in Moulsecoomb, the vast majority of kids will have been to the seafront but the journo may have met two families (or even one) and that would be enough to make into print. It's hard to say without reading the whole article

If she's really talking about Moulsecoomb then she's not a very good journalist if she uses the name 'Falmer'. Even a quick search on Google maps would show they are two different places. I've no doubt she probably lives amongst the 'hipsters' in some trendy London borough so Brighton and Hove districts all blend into one for her !

 

[Insel affe]

Article in today's Times by Janice Turner talking about a visit to the Brighton Aldridge Community Academy, but then talks about deprived council estate kids who have never seen the sea.

Can there really be kids in Falmer who have never been taken to see the sea? I do find that very hard to believe.

Compete bollox, if she is saying it's children who are from council estates or not, they all sit in front of the tv and I can name countless childrens tv shows that have the sea involved.

Heres three of the top of my head.
Balamory, Old Jack's Boat, & Fireman Sam has that stupid kid with ginger hair & glasses who is always getting into trouble in and around the sea I am totally shocked he has not died yet.

 

[Gwylan]

If she's really talking about Moulsecoomb then she's not a very good journalist if she uses the name 'Falmer'. Even a quick search on Google maps would show they are two different places. I've no doubt she probably lives amongst the 'hipsters' in some trendy London borough so Brighton and Hove districts all blend into one for her !

To be fair to her, we don't know whether she says this or not. We're only going by a summary from the OP. As the journalist in question went to Sussex University, I'm sure she's fully aware of the difference between the two areas

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

My mother was a child social worker in the 70's. This was something she told us. I don't think she was making it up. But that was 40 years ago.

 

[The Fifth Column]

I think its highly likely that there are countless kids on some of Brighton & Hove's sink estates that haven't been anywhere near the seafront. Looking at the state of some of the sluglike lazy parents I would be surprised if some of them could be arsed to drag their fat useless idle arses any further from their litter strewn front gardens in the summer. Its far easier to let their feral offspring roam the streets like a pack of mangy dogs then actually treat them to a day out on the beach.

 

[goldstone]

To be fair to her, we don't know whether she says this or not. We're only going by a summary from the OP. As the journalist in question went to Sussex University, I'm sure she's fully aware of the difference between the two areas

She says earlier in the article (when she was studying for four years at the University of Sussex):

"Yet when catching my train back to Brighton every day, I never once thought to walk into the council estate behind the station. The most deprived places in Britain are not all grim concrete inner cities. From a distance this estate with its cottagey homes and gardens looks a paradise to grow up in. Walk to the top of the ridge and you're in the South Downs. Yet the school's previous incarnation was crime-ridden and chaotic - nothing much was expected of these white working-class kids who left primary schoo, with a reading age of six. A spirit-lifting new building and a tough but kind regime have raised the school's five good GCSE score from 20 to 51 percent".

Then she she goes on to talk about kids from Falmer never having seen the sea. I would guess she is referring to Moulescombe as Falmer.

 

[goldstone]

I think its highly likely that there are countless kids on some of Brighton & Hove's sink estates that haven't been anywhere near the seafront. Looking at the state of some of the sluglike lazy parents I would be surprised if some of them could be arsed to drag their fat useless idle arses any further from their litter strewn front gardens in the summer. Its far easier to let their feral offspring roam the streets like a pack of mangy dogs then actually treat them to a day out on the beach.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Nibble]

Article in today's Times by Janice Turner talking about a visit to the Brighton Aldridge Community Academy. She says that "Brighton is now far ritzier than the crumbling, stuccoed town I remember" (when she studied at the University of Sussex), but then talks about deprived council estate kids who have never seen the sea.

Can there really be kids in Falmer who have never been taken to see the sea? I do find that very hard to believe.

And writing about the Green Party she says "... the main reason they look likely to lose power in May is Brighton's appalling refuse collection".

My ex was a teacher at Moulsecomb primary school. There were kids there that hadn't seen the beach and sea until they went on a school trip there. No bullshit.

 

[Tarpon]

My ex was a teacher at Moulsecomb primary school. There were kids there that hadn't seen the beach and sea until they went on a school trip there. No bullshit.

Yep & still the case.

 

[Gwylan]

She says earlier in the article (when she was studying for four years at the University of Sussex):

"Yet when catching my train back to Brighton every day, I never once thought to walk into the council estate behind the station. The most deprived places in Britain are not all grim concrete inner cities. From a distance this estate with its cottagey homes and gardens looks a paradise to grow up in. Walk to the top of the ridge and you're in the South Downs. Yet the school's previous incarnation was crime-ridden and chaotic - nothing much was expected of these white working-class kids who left primary schoo, with a reading age of six. A spirit-lifting new building and a tough but kind regime have raised the school's five good GCSE score from 20 to 51 percent".

Then she she goes on to talk about kids from Falmer never having seen the sea. I would guess she is referring to Moulescombe as Falmer.

But again, there's no direct quote saying that she refers to the estate as Falmer, you "guess" she is but she's nothing to say that she does. She could well be referring to the school, which was called Falmer in her day and is still often called it now (it's what I call it when talking to adults - the kids call it BACA).

And as you're keen on accuracy, perhaps you should look at Google Maps and learn to spell Moulsecoomb

 

[The Fifth Column]

There is a flip side to this, there are some kids in Brighton who have never experienced walking to school, trapped behind the sturdy windows of their Range Rovers and Audi Q7s they can't bear to look at the poor children so have to engage in Ipad therapy.

 

[aolstudios]

There is a flip side to this, there are some kids in Brighton who have never experienced walking to school, trapped behind the sturdy windows of their Range Rovers and Audi Q7s they can't bear to look at the poor children so have to engage in Ipad therapy.

This.
The poor bashing on this thread makes me feel sick

 

[BigGully]

Its just a matter of neglect driven by dysfunctionality.

Doesnt really matter where you are from if a parent for what ever reason neglects their child in one part of their life why would they suddenly prioritise ensuring they see the sea.

 

[goldstone]

But again, there's no direct quote saying that she refers to the estate as Falmer, you "guess" she is but she's nothing to say that she does. She could well be referring to the school, which was called Falmer in her day and is still often called it now (it's what I call it when talking to adults - the kids call it BACA).

And as you're keen on accuracy, perhaps you should look at Google Maps and learn to spell Moulsecoomb

If you read my first post properly you will note that I quoted her: "Yet only four miles away in Falmer are kids who, unbelievably, have never seen the sea."

I know perfectly well where Moulsecoomb is, thank you, and apologise wholeheartedly for misspelling it. It is she, not me, who is confusing Falmer with Moulsecoomb.

 

[Diego Napier]

if they really havent seen the sea its because their parents deem there isnt much to see (and to be frank they'd be right)

Would they?















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