wrexham 10 points deducted

[wrexham and proud]

just been confirmed that our appeal against 10 point deduction has been rejected...ba**ar*s...there is no justice in this game..
thanks to all bha fans for your support and hope falmer is more successful

"fans united will never be defeated"

excuse me while i go and get pi**ed

 

[Dave the OAP]

FA = f*** all


Whilst I understand the rules are there to stop unscrupilous clubs like Leicester City playing the administration card and benefitting for it, where there is genuine hardship caused by the Archers of this world, the FA should be more lenient

 

[itszamora]

Shit, that's harsh and shows the FA (or whoever is responsible for this) as the bunch of idiots that they are. Every fan in the country can see what Hamilton has been trying to do, so why is nothing done (by the powers that be I hasten to add) to stop it?

Good luck though, lets hope that your fight to save the Racecourse goes better than the Goldstone and that we can get Falmer to start repairing the damage those s did to our club.

 

[Simster]

I do have sympathy with their fans but if you start making exceptions then how do you police it? And lets face it, most would agree that the policy is a good idea.

However, I really really hope that Wrexham stay up as their fans and players deserve it after all they've been through.

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

The following comes from the BBC report:

"The club (Wrexham) failed to convince an independent panel that their financial problems were caused by unavoidable or unforeseeable circumstances."

 

[GUNTER]

Rules is rules unfortunately.

Leicester got away with it but unfortunately it was them who made the FA take action.

 

[Man of Harveys]

How unusual for the FA to kick a club when it's down. I shouldn't be surprised by their utter cretinousness in cases like this - they were about as bad with us back in 1995-97 - but I have seen bags of manure that have a better idea how to administer a sport. Yes, rules are rules blah blah. That'll really matter when Wrexham's fans lose their club, won't it. Jesus wept.

 

[Simster]

That'll really matter when Wrexham's fans lose their club, won't it. Jesus wept.

But will that 10 point deduction lose Wrexham fans their club?

 

[Marshy]

Im sure Wrexham will stay up. Keep the faith a great man once said.

 

[beorhthelm]

to be fair, wasnt it the Leicester episode that casued the ruole change?

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

to be fair, wasnt it the Leicester episode that casued the rule change?

Indeed it was.

 

[On the Left Wing]

Par for the course ... over the past five months all emails and phone calls to the FA AND the Football League on the Wrexham situation have been met with the same standard "we have the matter in hand" response.

Nothing has changed:

This was written in 1997 after our Fans United event:

The FA's done f*** all

Beyond the immediate concerns of Brighton fans (and Brighton residents - it's my home town now, it's a town that I love and the football club is an important part of that), 'Fans United' was also about making a stand on the increasingly disturbing state of lower division football in this country.

Yesterday, Bournemouth survived a winding-up order in court - but they've only got a 21-day stay of execution. Millwall have found themselves in slightly less critical trouble and should survive after the appointment of administrators. Even at Watford, we have a re-built ground with high running costs and small(ish) attendances, meaning that we've been losing upwards of a million pounds every season.

It can't go on like this. The FA's fence-sitting over the Brighton crisis (the only decisive action has been to deduct two points for a peaceful pitch invasion during the home game against Lincoln - Brighton are to have an appeal heard on Thursday) has shown that we can't automatically expect the governing body to look after the interests of its members. If the authorities continue to stand back, to let 'survival of the fittest' run its course, there won't be many lower division clubs left in five or ten years' time - the only choices will be bankruptcy, part-time status or becoming a feeder club, none of which are particularly acceptable to supporters.

Over the summer, the FA used supporters to sell Euro '96. At the same time as ripping people off with outrageous ticket prices (nothing to do with UEFA - the same prices meant a paltry attendance for the FA Cup semi final at Old Trafford just a couple of months before), we were spoon-fed the idea that "football's coming home". You can't have it both ways. If the FA wants to gain prestige (and the 2006 World Cup) from convincing the world that English supporters are shiny, happy people then it must listen to those supporters.

On Saturday, nearly ten thousand people from all over Europe told Graham Kelly that he's got it WRONG. Time to look after your customers or lose them forever...


NOTHING HAS CHANGED

 

[Man of Harveys]

But will that 10 point deduction lose Wrexham fans their club?

Depends but I'd have thought it could play a big role - the higher up the divisions a club is the easier it is to save a it by attracting attention and investment etc.

As a club we were a dismal enough prospect to take on in 1997; imagine if we'd lost at Hereford and been in the Conf. Bit worse I know but the same principle applies.

Besides, why can't those fuckers at the FA look to help them out rather than making it worse? At least start making sure these crooked asset strippers don't get involved in football in the first place. Ooh it makes me mad.

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

What should the FA have done in this case that it didn't do?

 

[Lammy]

I'm right behind the Wrexham fans and hope they save their club AND stay up. However, I don't really see what else the FA could have done here. If you go into administration it's a 10 point deduction. There is no black and white way to rule when it should and shouldn't be applied so whilst I feel for the Wrexham supporters I think it was the right decision by the FA.

There is plenty of time left in the season to stay up. You also have the bonus of having MK Dons in your league!

 

[Simster]

Besides, why can't those fuckers at the FA look to help them out rather than making it worse? At least start making sure these crooked asset strippers don't get involved in football in the first place. Ooh it makes me mad.

Totally agree with this. How difficult would it be to screen potential club owners? Although, in saying that, would a self-made millionaire like Bill Archer have been identified as the type of bloke he turned out to be?

 

[Man of Harveys]

They could perhaps start acting like a proper managing body of a sport - a succession of crooks lining their pockets by stiffing historic clubs "bring the game into disrepute" more than any player ever could.

It's like when they punished us by deduction points in 1997 whilst doing absolutely "f*** All" (as the song went) about the fact that we were being shafted by the unholy trinity. "Rules are rules" wasn't exactly what that situation was crying out for then, nor is it for Wrexham now.

It smacks of rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic - although maybe fining someone for not having paid their deckchair bill whilst the ship slides towards the sea bed is sadly more like it.

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

Why can't those fuckers at the FA look to help them out rather than making it worse? At least start making sure these crooked asset strippers don't get involved in football in the first place.

It's easy to make sweeping statements like those, but what would you propose that the Football Association should do exactly? How could they help Wrexham out?

If they were to give Wrexham financial assistance, then surely they would also be obliged to help out all of the other clubs who are in financial trouble, and that would include most of the clubs in the country. Indeed, there are many clubs who are currently in much deeper debt than Wrexham - Cardiff City and Brighton being prime examples.

Perhaps you feel that the Football League were wrong to deduct ten points from Wrexham for going into administration, but the rules were clear at the start of the season. And those rules were actually voted for by the chairmen of the member clubs themselves.

You suggest that the FA should take steps to ensure that 'crooked asset strippers' don't get involved in football in the first place. So how would that be policed? What sort of criteria could the FA possibly set to ensure that dodgy characters don't become club owners?

Have a look around the leagues. There are plenty of 'unusual' individuals who own clubs, and some of them have done terrific jobs: John Madejski at Reading, Paul Scally at Gillingham, Theo Paphitis at Millwall, etc. And don't forget the pornographer-in-chief himself, David Sullivan. What a fabulous job he's done at Birmingham.

As I said, it's easy to point the finger of blame in instances like this, but it's not so easy to come up workable solutions to the problems.