Don Quixote
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- Nov 4, 2008
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I think Gus is good at signing players for free and developing them, that's where his strengths lie. I don't know if I trust him with a big budget too much.
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Will Tony Bloom allow gus to spend his millions this summer.
- Thread starter Mr Burns
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The Large One
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What is this obsession about it being a massive game?
Babbling ad men, and virgin office boys in suits with a Sky Sports microphone might waffle on about that, but supposedly intelligent football fans...?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Craig Noone - tightness in his hamstring, not bad enough to stop playing but used sparingly (source Player press conference)
Ryan Harley - groin injury (source Argus)
Will Hoskins - had a difficult injury preseason that lasted months, so never got going, sent out on loan to get match fitness.
Romain Vincelot - has a shoulder that dislocates at any time but waiting until the close season for an operation (source Player press conferences)
chucky1973
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I was told different on saturday from a very highly respected member of the board.
Diego Napier
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- Mar 27, 2010
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You are yes (and I'd expect that of you) but don't presume that your pissedoffness is shared by everyone.
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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I think the OP has put a very negative twist on the signings.
Hoskins is clearly a talent and 500k was certainly not a risk. However his attitude in training is what has seen him be loaned out. the actual investment wasn't a silly one at all based on what he did for Brizzle rovers.
Buckley at £1m is a BARGAIN. Honestly, he is young and skillful and can finish. I think that bit of business is BRILLIANT. Having him on the bench is NOTHING to do with Gus's ability to spend wisely. the fact he got him IN in the first place is the representation of his ability to spend well.
Lua-Lua, as with Buckley is another great signing who will flourish for certain. Yes he was on the bench but, again, that doesn't mean he is a bad signing!
CMS i feel for and I am still certain he will score many. He has not been missing sitters at all and it's just finding a system which he will suit.
I think the Mr Burns has got two MASSIVELY different issues confused.
There is a difference between Gus making bad signings and gus starting the signings on the bench.
The issue i think Mr B has is Gus's selection, not his signings.
No one can say Buckley and Lua-Lue wern't great investments? Surely?
Hoskins is clearly a talent and 500k was certainly not a risk. However his attitude in training is what has seen him be loaned out. the actual investment wasn't a silly one at all based on what he did for Brizzle rovers.
Buckley at £1m is a BARGAIN. Honestly, he is young and skillful and can finish. I think that bit of business is BRILLIANT. Having him on the bench is NOTHING to do with Gus's ability to spend wisely. the fact he got him IN in the first place is the representation of his ability to spend well.
Lua-Lua, as with Buckley is another great signing who will flourish for certain. Yes he was on the bench but, again, that doesn't mean he is a bad signing!
CMS i feel for and I am still certain he will score many. He has not been missing sitters at all and it's just finding a system which he will suit.
I think the Mr Burns has got two MASSIVELY different issues confused.
There is a difference between Gus making bad signings and gus starting the signings on the bench.
The issue i think Mr B has is Gus's selection, not his signings.
No one can say Buckley and Lua-Lue wern't great investments? Surely?
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dejavuatbtn
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There are few players in the squad who will make it in the premiership. If we were to go up now we would never be able to get sufficient newcomers in to give us a chance of premiership survival. We need to develop a squad in this division who could form the nucleus of a premiership team. I don't care how long it takes, but if we go up I want us to have a realistic chance of staying there.
Yes, it will cost money, but I don't expect TB to keep putting his hand in his pocket every five minutes. I agree that loan signings are not ideal, but if we hadn't borrowed this season, we would have ened up struggling.
The main thing that worries me is the amount of money the club is already spending - not just on player tansfers and wages, but the whole infrastructure of the club must be costing an absolute fortune that is not being funded by gate receipts and marketing initiatives. We should be wary of spending too much too soon on players.
Yes, it will cost money, but I don't expect TB to keep putting his hand in his pocket every five minutes. I agree that loan signings are not ideal, but if we hadn't borrowed this season, we would have ened up struggling.
The main thing that worries me is the amount of money the club is already spending - not just on player tansfers and wages, but the whole infrastructure of the club must be costing an absolute fortune that is not being funded by gate receipts and marketing initiatives. We should be wary of spending too much too soon on players.
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chucky1973
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Diego Napier
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Well don't worry!
Tony Bloom is a member of a very successful business family that has been associated with the Albion for generations.
He is an astute businessman and has put in place business plan that will be soundly based, particularly from a financial perspective.
It is TB's intention to build for the future on this base, not boom/bust, not up one year and down the next.
We already know that the income streams into the club have way exceeded what was projected (3 years worth in one year?)
I'm sure that Tony's far too astute to get carried away and spend too much on players and not enough on infrastructure or the other way around.
Enjoy the moment, it's been so long coming. In Tony we trust!
dejavuatbtn
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Having supported the club for 50 years, I am well aware of the Bloom family's interest in the club and enjoyed the previous "moment when we played in the First Division. I just hope that your apparent knowledge of TB's wealth and business acumen is well founded. I just don't want people getting carried away with thinking he has the ability to buy us premiership success too soon.
Well if we had won it we would still be within touching distance of the play-offs, if we lost it, it would take a miracle for us to reach the top 6. It wasn't a massive game because we were playing West Ham.
Thunder Bolt
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Why do you think the infrastructure of the club is costing fortune? Maybe I've got it wrong but as far as I can see, the club shop has never been so popular, season ticket sales are bringing in half a million every month for 10 months, the Amex is being used for non match purposes and the catering is also bringing in lots of cash. I also believe that we have a wage cap in place unless Naylor has got it wrong in his Argus articles. Tony Bloom has lent us £93 million to build the stadium but that is interest free and we were told that when we were going to borrow money to build we needed 12K season tickets to break even. His interest free loan is until 2023 and then if it isn't paid back it would be converted into shares. I'm genuinely interested as to why you're worried.
Spot on. It's nonsense. Gus has taken us from a struggling League 1 team to a solid, top half Champ team in NO time.
He's done VERY well so far.
The Large One
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The setting up of the infrastructure is costing a fortune. There's another multi-million pound investment during the close season to put the extra seats in. I guess it depends on whether the infrastructure costs affect the budgets of the running costs.
You're quite right about the extra revenue coming in, and that can only ever help the club, and the catering revenue has come in way over expectations.
Or, as Martin Perry once put it (head in hands) "I cannot BELIEVE just how much you lot drink..."
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Leeds, Portsmouth etc etc the list is endless. I think that those advising caution are talking sense. We have all seen what happens if a club gets to an unrealistic position and then begins to spend what they can't afford to stay there.
Having just recovered from the fall out of our last soire to the top division i would be happy with a sustainable mid championship budget and see where that can take us.
Ambition and expectation is all very well but it must be achieved by living within our means.
i think mr BLOOM needs to have a little word in gus ear and find out which dead wood we need to remove from are team and what we need to spend on fresh blood, also look at our scouting system and stop pissing around with players who are clearly only at our club because they dont make the grade at there own clubs so there sensible MANAGERS send them to brighton who take any old dog shit, if you have not relised yet im still fuming from sat and feel let down by alot of people at our club.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I agree which is why I was relieved to read that we have a wage cap. There's no way we are going to be paying ridiculous wages like those two clubs did. It has been said several times that CMS & Vicente turned down more lucrative offers at other clubs and didn't come here for the money.
dejavuatbtn
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I'm just the cautious sort and Naylor only knows what he is told to say! If we had 30 players on say £5k a week average (some significantly more, some significantly less) it would be a wage bill of £8m. There are all the other people costs - Management, admin, community, coaches, centres of excellance, stewarding (100s of them), etc etc. We probably get around £10 to £12m a year in gate receipts, so this probably covers wages. Yes, there are other income streams and I don't know how much the club actually netts from these, but I am just concerned that people's expectations of what we are able to spend doesn't match up with what we have available.