Why are the right wingers on here...

[Barnet Seagull]

What's Seb Carole's literacy levels like?

fantastique

 

[looney]

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Number of reasons, I'm going to be perhaps slightly contentious and say this:

Education is a middle-class process, when you've been throught that process and have absorbed enough of it (at least up to GCSE grade C level and certainly up to degree level) you automatically and subconciously absorb the middle class ideas, attitiudes values and beliefs that go with the process. Ergo the educated people tend to think the same (within certain parameters) because they've had the same exposure to the same ideas.

The less-educated ones, the ones where it didn't 'take' have a more simplistic, class-conscious, view driven almost entirely by their own experiences. These people tend to be 'right-wing' because they're at the sharp end of immigration policy and have to compete with the newcomers for jobs, housing etc. For us MC-ers immigration means cheap labour, different restaurants and 'marvellous diversity'.

Being less-educated they find it harder to express their ideas and their feeling of exclusion, which is why their posts are more illiterate.

Nice try but there is one very big problem with this theory, one that trashes it.

Voting patterns tend to be correlated with weath and wealth is correlated with education. IE educated people tend on average to be rightwing, those that work in the media and saturate academia tend to be the minority.

The only thing that has changed is a middle class take over of the "poor/uneducated" party and in the process has alienated a section of its grass roots support.

I have stated on many occaisions that I am dyslexic, any attempt to therefor link intelligence to spelling asks questions about your intellectual capacity not mine. Oh and I have 2 post graduate qualifications as well.

 

[looney]

The whole mix of society changes over time - and long may it continue. It is one way we do not become in-bred. Although some on this thread do make you wonder.

This is not the case, in olden times before transport inovation few communities changed and most people rarely travelled far from where they lived.
In the opposite case mass immigration has inevitably lead to civil war, Ulster, The Indian Wars in North America.

where there isn't consensus there is conflict and there is no consensus in the UK only growing fear and hostility. Gowing around calling people racists because you lack the brains to think of anything else may make you feel better but isn't helping, it just makes people develope a seige mentality.

We are heading towards civil war and those on the left are putting most of the building blocks for conflict in place.

 

[enigma]

I dont agree with Looney's scare-mongering second post, but his first post has some truths in it.

 

[looney]

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Didn't check yours though ? I think you meant "You're" not 'your'.

Joking apart there idea that right wingers are thick stems from the fact that one in particular does have a spelling and diction problem. At other times some of the others have a tendancy to become profane and frankly defamitory. This in turns leads to those who don't agree with them to reply in kind.

No winners really.

Sort of comment I would expect from a thick bastard like you.

The profanity starts on the left. Calling people Homophobic or racist is a persona insult just as much as me calling enigma a dork, its just tht rightwingers just tend to be more straight up and honest wereas leftists are forever twisting semantics to try to deceive the unwarey, or stupid people like you.

 

[dwayne]

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Nice try but there is one very big problem with this theory, one that trashes it.

Voting patterns tend to be correlated with weath and wealth is correlated with education. IE educated people tend on average to be rightwing, those that work in the media and saturate academia tend to be the minority.

The only thing that has changed is a middle class take over of the "poor/uneducated" party and in the process has alienated a section of its grass roots support.

I have stated on many occaisions that I am dyslexic, any attempt to therefor link intelligence to spelling asks questions about your intellectual capacity not mine. Oh and I have 2 post graduate qualifications as well.

spot on!! and you saved me having to post it, cheers

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

This is not the case, in olden times before transport inovation few communities changed and most people rarely travelled far from where they lived.
In the opposite case mass immigration has inevitably lead to civil war, Ulster, The Indian Wars in North America.

where there isn't consensus there is conflict and there is no consensus in the UK only growing fear and hostility. Gowing around calling people racists because you lack the brains to think of anything else may make you feel better but isn't helping, it just makes people develope a seige mentality.

We are heading towards civil war and those on the left are putting most of the building blocks for conflict in place.

Societies have always been made up of those that travel and those that stay put. Whether for invasion, as a result of war, trade, or curiosity all over the world and all through time there have been movements of individuals and groups of people.

People learn to get along. There are always those who try to foster hate and resentment - and find a scapegoat for their own purposes.

I believe we all need to treat others like we want to be treated ourselves. It is a simple philosophy. Problems occur when people think others are somehow different. In the extremes this leads to treating whole peoples as less than human, with it's often terrible consequences.

I do not believe for a moment we are heading to civil war. We are a largely tolerant nation who can spot rogues at a hundred paces. And long may that be the case.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

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Voting patterns tend to be correlated with weath and wealth is correlated with education. IE educated people tend on average to be rightwing, those that work in the media and saturate academia tend to be the minority.

why do educated people tend to be right wing ? more delf interested and concerned with prererving the status quo maybe, but not right wing.

You are obsessed with simplistic labels - lefties, right wing. I don't think it helps.

 

[Richard Whiteley]

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Sort of comment I would expect from a thick bastard like you.

The profanity starts on the left. Calling people Homophobic or racist is a persona insult just as much as me calling enigma a dork, its just tht rightwingers just tend to be more straight up and honest wereas leftists are forever twisting semantics to try to deceive the unwarey, or stupid people like you.

twisting semantics is all you ever do. It's the only arguments you ever come up with you COMPLETE AND UTTER hypocrite.

Anyway, enjoying the thread so far, although it's missing what should be some of it's main players.

 

[dwayne]

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why do educated people tend to be right wing ?

To be fair to Looney I have read studies saying the same thing

 

[bhaexpress]

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Sort of comment I would expect from a thick bastard like you.

The profanity starts on the left. Calling people Homophobic or racist is a persona insult just as much as me calling enigma a dork, its just tht rightwingers just tend to be more straight up and honest wereas leftists are forever twisting semantics to try to deceive the unwarey, or stupid people like you.

I think that rather proves my point (see my previous thread if you really care but frankly I wouldn't bother).

Looney, I try to be polite to you but the thing is, as has been shown by the thread that you started about 'Richard Whiteley' nobody takes you seriously.

Ever stopped to wonder why that is ?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

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To be fair to Looney I have read studies saying the same thing

right wing or conservative ? I get the impression from looney that right wing means ready to man the barricades in the impending civil war.

I don't recognise any of that. If you said that as people get older and wealthier they get more conservative - I can start to understand.

Mind you, plenty of people get more radical as they get older.

 

[looney]

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why do educated people tend to be right wing ? more delf interested and concerned with prererving the status quo maybe, but not right wing.

You are obsessed with simplistic labels - lefties, right wing. I don't think it helps.

It helps in defining concepts and reduces the need for long winded definitions.

It is pretty arrogant to presume that the "educated class" conform to your beleifs without having seen the Data.

The reason Thatcher won easily was because she reached out beyond the then narrow middle class to the working class and it was about bringing oppertunity not preserving the status quo.

Since then those defined as middle class has risen from 35% of the population to just over 50% which is one reason that Labour needed to get out its class getto. Obviously prior to that it has always been the tories who have needed to Reach out.

Over this period of time and a bit earlier the relationships between class and politics has begun to break down, meaning moving from a "Rightwing educated class" etc to a more mixed bag. Still, if you look at the dailey sales of newspapers you will have a rough Idea of the political make-up of the UK.

Leftwingers have always been one of the smallest minorities hence their need to delve into single issues to try to bundle together a coalition that can win elections. Thats why the term White male flight scares informed leftwingers as it has finished of the left in Australia.

In the US the traditional coalition has also begun to break down with more blacks willing to vote republican. Less than ten percent in 96 up to 40percent in 2004.

IMO politics at the moment is in flux due to technological change, growing personal wealth, and emerging threats and issues. It begun over 20 years ago and is still going on in the "Anglo-Saxon" countries and to a lesser exstent Europe which as usual lags behind. As Karl Marx said social classes rise and fall on a wave of change created by technology/productivity.Where it ends I dont have a clue but the politics in 20 years time will I bet be a lot different from what it is now or has been.

 

[looney]

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I think that rather proves my point (see my previous thread if you really care but frankly I wouldn't bother).

Looney, I try to be polite to you but the thing is, as has been shown by the thread that you started about 'Richard Whiteley' nobody takes you seriously.

Ever stopped to wonder why that is ?

OOh do tell genius. Seems to me when i post a serious comment I tend to get a serious response, there are always idiots who cnat tell when someones joking about or cant seperate out different issues.


Ever wondered why people dont take you seriously?

 

[London Irish]

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In the US the traditional coalition has also begun to break down with more blacks willing to vote republican. Less than ten percent in 96 up to 40percent in 2004.

What fantasy world do you live in (or more accurately what wacko rightwing website are you copying this rubbish off?)

Bush's black vote grew from 9 per cent in 2000 to 11 per cent in 2004.

 

[bhaexpress]

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OOh do tell genius. Seems to me when i post a serious comment I tend to get a serious response, there are always idiots who cnat tell when someones joking about or cant seperate out different issues.


Ever wondered why people dont take you seriously?

Trying wind me up is pointless as I, like everybody else just can't take you seriously. Abuse from you is a sure fire sign that I represent some seblence of normality.

 

[enigma]

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What fantasy world do you live in (or more accurately what wacko rightwing website are you copying this rubbish off?)

Bush's black vote grew from 9 per cent in 2000 to 11 per cent in 2004.

I did have my suspicions.....

 

[El Presidente]

I think the Republican vote might go down a bit after the treatment of the blacks after the levee broke last fall.

 

[El Presidente]

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Oh and I have 2 post graduate qualifications as well.

Linking qualifications with intelligence is also a falsehood though Looney.

 

[looney]

Well ok then lets dig up the stats seeing LI's track record I think I'll be nearer the truth.



The black vote is absolutely critical to the Democratic vote," says Mr Shelton. "We just can't win without it."

What is true for Arkansas is equally true for the whole country. The Democrats have won only one election since the second world war (in 1964) without the black vote.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,,1336713,00.html

Having trouble opening a file, I think you'll find that 11% is total share of vote.


House is on, I'll find it tomorrow.