Who benefitted from our manager merry go round?

[chips and gravy]

The domino effect triggered by Glen Roeder being sacked early in the season appears to have done no-one any favours. Alan Pardew doesn't seem to have what it takes at West Ham, Coppell and Reading aren't pulling up trees and McGhee still hasn't found his feet. Even Millwall are lower in the table than they were before Mcghee was sacked.

Discuss...

 

[WhitleyDennis]

Coppell is a miserable, uninspiring, couldn't-give-a-toss, incompetent prat who shows no leadership qualities, no ambition, no interest and no sign that he can put right the problems we have on the pitch at the moment. The man is a disgrace.

I would happily swap you Coppell for McGhee, despite the fat Scottish judas's previous behaviour here at Reading.

Whitley D
f***ing Pissed Off!

 

[Bwian]

Coppell is a miserable, uninspiring, couldn't-give-a-toss, incompetent prat who shows no leadership qualities, no ambition, no interest and no sign that he can put right the problems we have on the pitch at the moment. The man is a disgrace.

I would happily swap you Coppell for McGhee, despite the fat Scottish judas's previous behaviour here at Reading.

Whitley D
f***ing Pissed Off!

Maybe he's still over-awed by your massive support and it's affecting his nerves/performance? What was it tonight against Preston? 9314?

 

[Yorkie]

chips and gravy, you have summed it up completely.

Teams need stability and confidence and every time there is a mangerial change it seems to take time to settle down again.

Some managers just do not gel with a new set of players and so the decline spirals.

 

[Lush]

Coppell is a miserable, uninspiring, couldn't-give-a-toss, incompetent prat who shows no leadership qualities, no ambition, no interest and no sign that he can put right the problems we have on the pitch at the moment. The man is a disgrace.

I would happily swap you Coppell for McGhee, despite the fat Scottish judas's previous behaviour here at Reading.

Whitley D
f***ing Pissed Off!

Interesting. If it hadn't been that he dumped us so mercilessly, I would have SC back tomorrow. The players also seemed more than happy with him while he was here - haven't heard the players word on McGhee - and don't want to hear unless it's good!!!!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Coppell is a miserable, uninspiring, couldn't-give-a-toss, incompetent prat who shows no leadership qualities, no ambition, no interest and no sign that he can put right the problems we have on the pitch at the moment. The man is a disgrace.

But apart from that, fine?

 

[Soton Seagull]

I reckon John Piercy has benefitted the most. Succesive managers had himas a reserve, no McGhee wants him in the team when fit.

No indiv club has benefitted.

 

[Yorkie]

Interesting. If it hadn't been that he dumped us so mercilessly, I would have SC back tomorrow. The players also seemed more than happy with him while he was here - haven't heard the players word on McGhee - and don't want to hear unless it's good!!!!

I feel the same way. That's why I made the comment about managers and teams gelling. It doesn't seem to have happened at Reading or here perhaps?

 

[Lady Whistledown]

I'm so gutted to hear it's not working out for Coppell at Reading

 

[Beeneys gloves]

I have to admit Im taking a great deal of pleasure in Readings recent slump especially last nights defeat. I think Coppell is proving he isnt a man for a club who can give him the money he wants and is best in a wheeler dealer situation.
Good to hear the Reading fan (I would say fans but we know that aint true) arent taking to him either, hel come crawling back and we can tell him where to go!!

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Interesting. If it hadn't been that he dumped us so mercilessly, I would have SC back tomorrow.

Nooooooooo. We were never anything to him. He could have become an Albion legend taking us to Falmer, but he choose Reading. A curse on both their houses.

Whitley's posting was sweet, sweet music.


I still expect them to go up.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

I don't fancy them, they aren't scoring enough and let in too many stupid goals.

They also don't have a lot of money to splash out on new players.

Shame.....

 

[Yorkie]

Nooooooooo. We were never anything to him. He could have become an Albion legend taking us to Falmer, but he choose Reading. A curse on both their houses.

Whitley's posting was sweet, sweet music.


I still expect them to go up.

I don't and Whitley isn't the only Reading fan who feels that way, is he Ali?

I don't think they'll get relegated either. Somewhere around 12th or 13th.

 

[Storer68]

Weren't they second when they took over,

I 'm still larfing at WD's comments tho.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

Well, I listened to Radio Berkshire's post match phone-in last night, and almost to a man, every caller was calling for Coppell's head !

I want to see PNE's second goal, basically the Radio Berkshire commentary on it went ......... " Oh my God ! .............. ".



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Posted: 14 Jan 2004 08:42 Post subject: is it time for coppell to go ?

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im not one used to making hasty statements but im seriuosly starting to think that this just isnt ever gonna work out with coppell

you cant say that coppell isnt a good manager(just look at what hes done in the past) but for whatever reason its not happening for him at this club

the worrying thing for me is that i dont think its a case of a short spell of bad form, it seems to be several of the same kinds of performances(ie crap)

like others have said, the responsibility stops at coppells door, and if performances dont improve bloody sharpish then we've got to swallow our pride and look at getting in a new manager

how the team are currently performing is just not bloody well acceptable

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If you are being sarcastic it aint very funny.........if you are being serious you are an idiot........

Coppell is a quality manager and will get it right......I still believe we have a better chance of reaching the Premiership with Coppell than we did with Pardew.....

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Platypuss
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Do we then sack the new manager if the players won't play for him either? How long will you give him, 2 months, 3?

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Murty for England wrote:

Coppell is a quality manager and will get it right......I still believe we have a better chance of reaching the Premiership with Coppell than we did with Pardew.....

You have as much chance of that as your user name

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Far too early, he's finding out now that things are not quite right and the "machine" has a 'screw' or two loose somewhere - trouble is he seems to have lost his screwdriver at the moment, but then again perhaps we need to replace those idiot slot head things with phillips screws anyway !

In my book he's got until next xmas at least, if we aren't at least challenging for a play off spot at that point then we need to see if someone like Gordon Strachan is ready for a return to management.

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Coppell has proved he can achieve things and he has to be given time. I would reckon he has a fair idea of what he would like to do i.e. what players to get rid of, bring in, changes to the coaching squad, who should be paid what etc... However it is a good bet that his hands are tied for a while - maybe Mr Mad made commitments to Dillon etc... to stay which are now a handicap, maybe Hammond is sticking his oar in with regard to players to bring in etc.. as well as AP having spent the budget.

If Coppell is sacked then realistically the replacement would be an untried manager with less chance of success. Remember those that didn't want the job previously, and the fact that Coppell nearly didn't come because he was offered less money than he was on at Brighton (apparrently !). We are lucky to have someone of his proven ability now we have to give him time to work things through. AP took a long time to get anywhere and is not achieving instant success at WHU either. Coppell will keep us in a healthy position this year (i.e. safe) with his ideas in place for next season. Get rid of him now for who (?) and we could be seriously in trouble.

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It needs to be remembered that Pardew had an appalling start in his first few months including a run of 16 games without a win but eventually got it right.

That said, I can't think of any thing or any player that has improved since Coppell came here. The team has gone from the best Reading side I have ever seen at the start of the season, to a laughing stock amongst it's own supporters in January.

The players need to take a good look at themselves and Coppell needs to wake up because to say 'I don't know what the problem is' really isn't what we are paying him for.

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He has clearly failed to get the team functioning and, for whatever reason, seems to have never picked the same 11 two games running. From his words last night it is clear that he thinks unless Foz is fit on Saturday we might be in trouble again. He has said a couple of times now that he was told certain things about this team that don't appear to be true - I don't know where he is pointing fingers with this statement but either Hammond or Pardew must have over stated their abilities. I think he will scrape by this season with us drifting around 12/13/14th place and try a big clearout in the summer. If that appears to be failing 5/6 games in next season I think he will resign and we could then find ourselves in serious trouble. Hopefully he'll have got in the players he feels can do the job for him rather than some of the ones we have. When I say clearout I think thats what he will do and I expect (shock, horror, gasp) Williams, Brown, Harper, Hughes, Newman, Hahnemann, Watson and Goater are playing their last season in the hoops right now.

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I too am now seriously wondering about Coppell credentials after last nights debacle.
When he arrived at thr club I thought that perhaps he might be Ok but he finally proved to me last night that he is totally uncapable.
By that statement I am talking about:-

a) the 20 yard "gap" between our Two "forwards" (loose term) and our midfield which was camped on the edge of our 18 yard box for most of the game.Could he not see that Preston were taking the "piss" ? ,passing the ball around at liesure ? Obviously not !

b) Hughes on the left on midfield leaving a "HUGE" gap to allow attacking options against Shorey.

c) Unmarked backpost at corners which Preston Camped the tallest player on the pitch at ?

d) A "striker ??" (Goater) who just couldnt give a toss !

These are just a few of my gripes and Im afraid Im getting bored of his "so so" attitude.

I'm afraid it might be time for Mr Mad to give him the "vote of confidence".

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All the Coppell criticism seems to be related to how we play. Now isn't that the coach's job to sort?

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Murty for England wrote:
If you are being sarcastic it aint very funny.........if you are being serious you are an idiot........

Coppell is a quality manager and will get it right......I still believe we have a better chance of reaching the Premiership with Coppell than we did with Pardew.....


He needs time, Dillon is getting onwith players nor the manager so may'be he should go and does Hammond have to much say in team affairs?

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YES ........ get rid of Coppell before it's too late ..... the Goat can go as well! Get Parky back ASAP ...... at least he'd instill some passion into our team!

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it all comes down to ambition

Pardew has it

Mr Mad had it

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Any players seen smiling after last nights game were probably just looking forward to another away game....................me too!!!!!

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whats worrying me is the manner of the defeats that were suffering , namely seemingly no drive or passion, best shown when we go a goal down (which seeems to be happening a lot recently).

like i said in my previous post, i know that coppell is a good manager , and must be able to motivate players otherwise he wouldnt have had the success he's had at previous clubs, but its not happening for him right now and it hasnt been for a couple of months now.

you can have a run of 3-4 games where youre not playing well, but this malaise has been going on for longer than that, and were seeing the same passionless displays seemingly week after week

i thought we might have turned a corner after the walsall ,preston (away) and especially ipswich games, but it seems to me like weve reverted back to the wimbledon , and palarse debacles.

like anyone i'd love for it to work out with coppell, but he's had time for his views to be got over to the players and for them to start acting on those, and for whatever reason either his ideas arent any good or the players arent carrying them out how he wants them.

a group of players who were playing well earlier in the season and were looking well capable of securing a play off place are now looking like they're wondering where the next point is gonna come from, and that worries me.

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Platypuss
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Anyone who advocates that Coppell should go MUST read this report and comments from the Swindon home game, 13th October 2001.

http://www.royals.org/matdoc/131001.html

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Coppell should stay, he's not doing that bad a job, if we're truthful we can say playoff last season was a huge bonus but then the players we have are not good enough to repeat that, one season wonder. If we slide and slide then maybe Coppell's position should be viewed but can we honestly say we deserve to make the playoffs again?

We need to give Coppel time so he can build his own team.

 

[Yorkie]

Oh dear. The natives are getting restless.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Interesting stuff.

They're shipping goals, a lack of passion, Coppell likes to sign players he's previously managed and still rates. I would not rule out him making a bid for Cullip - it would appear that he hasn't got much to lose by doing so.

This then puts our season in perspective - the worst case scenario is that we lose against Plymouth and QPR and drop to mid-table, Cullip gets an offer and leaves.

 

[Gary Nelson]

Interestingly, when teams get promoted, a fair few of them will bat above their averages in the first season. Teams dont know how to play them etc...Maybe this has happened with Reading. All last season I never thought they were that good and they didnt add much to their squad when they finished behind the true champions. Maybe Pardew leaving was the ingrediant that did enough to rock their boat. I rate them as a mid table first div team at best. If they had passionate fans willing to fill their ground in the Sheff Utd mould then you might see them being a top 6 team.
I do rate Coppell as a manager and I dont necessarily agree with the notion that we were already on a downward spiral when he left. We were not playing great, but we were winning games. Every good team does that. Im not convinced Reading are the right club for him and I agree that he performs at clubs where there is little money to spend. I dont agree that Reading will not go up if they get rid of Coppell and that their sudden change of form is all down to him.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

Couldn't resist including this from ' Off at Eleven " :-

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Oh B@ll@cks!!!!

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I am absolutely, totally, utterly, completely, devastatingly, anythingelsely.........fecked right off!!

Schlong...You're wrong. We are going in only one direction with this shabby excuse for a manager. And it ain't up!

Harper's only mistake tonight was.... not carrying on to his car, and driving as far away from Reading as he could, when he was substituted.

Hahnneman is an absolute liability. Once again, we are victims of friendly fire. Please Mr Parjudas, break another promise, and sign him as Calamity James replacement.
Anyway, at least lets get a goalkeeper who's name we can spell!

The goat! What's going on there? Has Coppout got a pact going with the Mockney W/nker, to keep picking the old billy gruff. He may have scored, but what about the two gift wrapped chances he wasted? Feed the goat and he will feck it up. Keegan's best bit of business as Man City manager. Conning Parjudas into believing that the goat wasn't past it.

Madejski has just paid £3 million for an up market "Changing Rooms" job at the Royal Society. What would £3 million do for us? Promotion...methinks! What do you really want, Johnny??

Midfield. You're 'avin a laugh. We've got no punch. No one to win the ball. No one to win it back, if a move breaks down. We have players who did it before, but just don't give a toss for Mr "Not very interesting" Coppout.

Graeme Murty is, of course, exempt from this tirade, as he is the example by which all others should follow.

No bite. No battle. No pride. It seems that we really were "One Season Wonders."

Once again. Oh B@ll@cks!!!!


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Have to agree, that was spineless and weak. Technically the realistic prospect of an FA cup run wasn't enough for a feeble excuse for te play off semi final team of last season. Coppell is useless and losing respect and to all the blinkered fans who refuse to slag the players off you need to open your eyes. I'm all for supporting the team but last night was pathetic and if we get on their backs rather then let them think we are behind them 100% things will change.

How long is it before Coppell starts to shake things up. I haven't seen a decent tackle since Pardew left and games like Wimbledon and Palace were a long way short of the side we are. We lack all the things that made us the team we were last season and the only factor I can see is Coppell.


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What a pile of s**t that was, we've seen this before when Bullivant took over - RELEGATION. Nows the time to invest and give Coppell some cash for a new goalie, centrehalf, a midfielder who can tackle(Sidwell excepted)& a quality striker.

Mr Mad take note of Wigan lower gates, rugby town etc etc but are willing to invest 2 million on a striker.

 

[WhitleyDennis]

Maybe he's still over-awed by your massive support and it's affecting his nerves/performance? What was it tonight against Preston? 9314?

9,314? Very impressive is what I would call that support - the exact opposite of the team! There were 300 Preston, so that's 9,000 Reading fans who were willing to turn up to watch a shambolic team of non-triers playing under a couldn't-care-less manager in a midweek cup replay in the freezing cold.

Now if we couldn't even sell 6,000 tickets for a home league match on a Saturday, that's when I'd start worrying!