What is English culture?

[User removed 4]

English culture as defined by the scribes of the North Stand Clique is to be belittling, patronising and rude to anyone who deviates from their politically correct view of the world or has the temerity to opine patriotic sentiments. To do this you have to be nostalgic about the past working classes and infer that after a hard day at the coalface the average miner would not be looking forward to a few pints, but went to to the library to immerse themselves in Brecht and Harold Pinter, and of course Marxist Leninist theory. However you must condemn the current working class as chavs, morons and fodder for the Jeremy Kyle show, unless they come from one of the ethnic minority communities, who are of course, exciting, vibrant and enlightening. You remain a marxist and progressive while enjoying the comforts of the standard middle class Englishman, and alleviate your guilt feelings by giving donations to any overseas appeal but not to those on home grown soil and extol the desires of any people on the planet to protect their identity and culture as long of course as its not English, which much be denied and ridiculed.

You do this by posting at length on football forums, and desperately try to give the impression that football fans in the new millenium are nostalgic about The Clash, into every facet of alternative culture, reminisce about binge drinking exploits alongside sexual crudity and various visits to restaurants, as long as it involves ethnic cuisine.

The use of gangsta rap stars and other black icons as avatars is standard, as is the use of pretentious French quotes or obscure references to little known comedians, indy bands and trendy terminology.

 

[Castello]

The celtic thread got locked before i could reply to you , in answer to your question why didnt i go to celtic park and voice my complaints ? i didnt have to i did that when celtic came to stamford bridge, well heres a question for you , how about you see me at a brighton game and repeat the ' gesture ' you left in the form of a smiley at the end of your last post ?

Bushy the reasson the last post was locked was beacuse of the level of abuse being given, mainly by you. All I did was point out how instead of using intelligent debate, your way of responding to something or someone you didnt like was to abuse them.

I then suggested that you should take your views to Celtic Park and discuss them with someone who cares, rather than sit on a forum verbally masturbating over how many terms of abuse you could come up with.

You no doubt will now turn around and abuse me again rather than join in a discussion about what english culture was.

Now an intelligent person would have ignored what i said gone about their life and moved on. You however have chosen to stalk me across the board looking to start a fight with me you dont have the wit to win. No doubt you will try and get a perfectly reasonable post closed down due to the level of abuse you emit.

You seriously need to see someone about the anger you feel towards people that dont agree with you. It really isnt healthy.

 

[Deanbha]

English culture as defined by the scribes of the North Stand Clique is to be belittling, patronising and rude to anyone who deviates from their politically correct view of the world or has the temerity to opine patriotic sentiments. To do this you have to be nostalgic about the past working classes and infer that after a hard day at the coalface the average miner would not be looking forward to a few pints, but went to to the library to immerse themselves in Brecht and Harold Pinter, and of course Marxist Leninist theory. However you must condemn the current working class as chavs, morons and fodder for the Jeremy Kyle show, unless they come from one of the ethnic minority communities, who are of course, exciting, vibrant and enlightening. You remain a marxist and progressive while enjoying the comforts of the standard middle class Englishman, and alleviate your guilt feelings by giving donations to any overseas appeal but not to those on home grown soil and extol the desires of any people on the planet to protect their identity and culture as long of course as its not English, which much be denied and ridiculed.

You do this by posting at length on football forums, and desperately try to give the impression that football fans in the new millenium are nostalgic about The Clash, into every facet of alternative culture, reminisce about binge drinking exploits alongside sexual crudity and various visits to restaurants, as long as it involves ethnic cuisine.

The use of gangsta rap stars and other black icons as avatars is standard, as is the use of pretentious French quotes or obscure references to little known comedians, indy bands and trendy terminology.

Wow, you put alot of thought into that. Good post

 

[Deanbha]

End of thread after milton's post.

 

[Eggmundo]

The Monarchy.

 

[Castello]

English culture as defined by the scribes of the North Stand Clique is to be belittling, patronising and rude to anyone who deviates from their politically correct view of the world or has the temerity to opine patriotic sentiments. To do this you have to be nostalgic about the past working classes and infer that after a hard day at the coalface the average miner would not be looking forward to a few pints, but went to to the library to immerse themselves in Brecht and Harold Pinter, and of course Marxist Leninist theory. However you must condemn the current working class as chavs, morons and fodder for the Jeremy Kyle show, unless they come from one of the ethnic minority communities, who are of course, exciting, vibrant and enlightening. You remain a marxist and progressive while enjoying the comforts of the standard middle class Englishman, and alleviate your guilt feelings by giving donations to any overseas appeal but not to those on home grown soil and extol the desires of any people on the planet to protect their identity and culture as long of course as its not English, which much be denied and ridiculed.

You do this by posting at length on football forums, and desperately try to give the impression that football fans in the new millenium are nostalgic about The Clash, into every facet of alternative culture, reminisce about binge drinking exploits alongside sexual crudity and various visits to restaurants, as long as it involves ethnic cuisine.

The use of gangsta rap stars and other black icons as avatars is standard, as is the use of pretentious French quotes or obscure references to little known comedians, indy bands and trendy terminology.

I really dont know who this rant is aimed at. Please could you clarify who you're aiming it at, as in my 53 years on this planet, I have learned that using stereotypes from the Daily Mail, or Guardian or indeed even the Socialist Worker, really isnt a good way to understand the world around me.

I have however learned it is a good way to attack people whose views you dont agree with, whilst at the same time trying to avoid stating your own beliefs or ideas, beyond proving you ascribe to right wing ideas. The problem is you dont win a debate of ideas that way, you merely make youself look like a shallow right wing version of the of the caricature youre complaining about.

Id invite you to prove me wrong by responding in a more thoughtful way, but in all truthfulness i dont care to know what you truly think. If you had something interesting to say you would have done so by now.

In the meantime back to what this thread was meant to be about, what are the positive things about english culture.

 

[Scampi]

it is almost painful to read stuff like 'well fish and chips come from immigrants', 'chicken tikka masala is our national dish how wonderful', or 'well the east end has been receiving immigrants for the last 8 billion years' without wanting to gnaw your own arm off out of boredom.

no disrespect but whenever i hear people saying stuff like that, to make some sort of cack handed point about how the unprecedented levels of immigration to britain (insert well what about the saxons normans response at this point if anyone is really that thick and can only repeat arguments heard from other dullards) is totally normal, i really despair for any sort of sensible debate about England and Englishness.

Yes people like curries now and perhaps some jewish bloke invented fish and chips. great stuff. it makes me laugh how people make out those facts go to prove, even in jest, how a culture has been distorted to a point where arguing that rapid change may not be a good thing, is pointless and laughable.

no mention of the culture that has probably affected our eating habits and culture more than any in the 20th century, the good old US of A. Funny how both daft sides of the culture debate forget this one.

What about the Italians, I reckon they've had even more of an impact than the septics. On our food that is

 

[Scampi]

I like the British rejection of extremism. Yes I know there have been extremists of both left and right, and currently we have some religious nuuteres, but they rarely threaten to become mass movements and on the whole we wobble around an agreeable sort of centre right position.

 

[User removed 4]

Bushy the reasson the last post was locked was beacuse of the level of abuse being given, mainly by you. All I did was point out how instead of using intelligent debate, your way of responding to something or someone you didnt like was to abuse them.

I then suggested that you should take your views to Celtic Park and discuss them with someone who cares, rather than sit on a forum verbally masturbating over how many terms of abuse you could come up with.

You no doubt will now turn around and abuse me again rather than join in a discussion about what english culture was.

Now an intelligent person would have ignored what i said gone about their life and moved on. You however have chosen to stalk me across the board looking to start a fight with me you dont have the wit to win. No doubt you will try and get a perfectly reasonable post closed down due to the level of abuse you emit.

You seriously need to see someone about the anger you feel towards people that dont agree with you. It really isnt healthy.

I agree with you, anyone with that level of anger needs to seek help, if you had read the posts and digested them with the level of 'wit' you lay claim to, you would have seen , as i explained , they were directed with amused scorn/contempt rather than genuine anger, however dont let that get in the way of your egotistical attempt at displaying your no doubt stratospheric level of intellect in exposing me as a 3/4 length trouser wearing thug barely able to string together a coherent sentence.

 

[glasfryn]

Sitting on a beach, knowing that it doesn't belong to anyone and that no-one can charge you for being there.

Being on top of the South Downs, trampling over graves that are 3,000 years old and looking out at the same views of the weald and the sea that were around then.

Visiting Pevensey to see a Norman castle and discovering that the Romans were there 1,000 years earlier and that there is a concrete structure in the corner that was built in the 1940s to help repel invaders.

Discovering how much my own ancestors moved around the country during the last 300 years - from Leicestershire, Shropshire, Yorkshire, Ireland, Scotland, Durham, Northumberland, Essex, Hampshire, Warwickshire, Cheshire ... and wondering where they were 600 years ago and how many of us will be in Sussex in 100 years time.

Beer.

Watching my village cricket team that is playing on the same ground as they did when they were founded in 1758.

great post
already post of the week

 

[The Spanish]

What about the Italians, I reckon they've had even more of an impact than the septics. On our food that is

haha this is turning into the bloody romans scene.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

A German friend of mine once told me that no-one can understand the Germans unless they realise how important forests are to them and that the English equivalent is the sea.

I think she was right. Uplifting sightings of the sea are taken for granted by those of us who live near the coast. But a regular trip to the seaside is just as important to folk who live in Birmingham. A year isn't fulfilled unless they've had one - even if the seaside that they visit is the Mediterranean.

 

[pasty]

Pissing down with rain in August

 

[drew]

The NHS, no death penalty, tolerance, ethnic diversity, The BNP being hammered in the polls in the last election, particularly in Barking where many groups across the political and racial spectrum worked together. Blackadder, the Young Ones etc.

I was going to say diversity in all things with, generally, large amounts of tolerance.

Pissing down with rain in August

just in time for the first home game!!


I would also add the world reknowned BBC. Not liked by some but by far and away probably the most respected broadcaster in the world.

 

[Tooting Gull]

A German friend of mine once told me that no-one can understand the Germans unless they realise how important forests are to them and that the English equivalent is the sea.

I think she was right. Uplifting sightings of the sea are taken for granted by those of us who live near the coast. But a regular trip to the seaside is just as important to folk who live in Birmingham. A year isn't fulfilled unless they've had one - even if the seaside that they visit is the Mediterranean.

I'd agree with that, although a day at Lord's/Hove/Arundel comes very close.

Also, what is that loony MK Seagull on? They have managed to write an epic slagging various stereotypes off without actually contributing one single coherent idea as to what they think English culture is. I'm all for a top rant, but it sounds a lot better if you have a clue in your own head to offer up. Otherwise you just sound deranged and empty-headed.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Pubs
Queues
Newspapers banging on about The War and 1966 and confusing the two
Terror of making a scene in public
Decent people with a sense of fair play

 

[Castello]

The problem with a lot of things we see as english culture is that theyre not exclusive to the english. Having said that much of english culture is about adding something new. A classic example of this is indeed Chicken Tikka Masala.

I do agree that the seaside is a very british institution, and indeed the thing I most miss about living in Brighton is the sea. It does open up the urban environment enormously.

Heres another institution thats quinessentially english.

http://www.icons.org.uk/theicons/collection/jerusalem

 

[Durlston]

Advertising Christmas by the beginning of November.
Tomato Ketchup.
Robbie Williams.

 

[El Presidente]

English culture as defined by the scribes of the North Stand Clique is to be belittling, patronising and rude to anyone who deviates from their politically correct view of the world

Isn't that a stereotyped answer to anyone who disagrees with your views though?

 

[Stoo82]

Inventing sports and then being shit at them.