Wenger

[Chicken Runner61]

Can you not understand that there is a difference between hard tackling and late/wreckless tackling. I don't think there is anything wrong with a good hard tackle and i'm pretty sure neither does Wenger. The issue is when players do not have control over the outcome of their tackle, that's when injuries happen.

Yes there is a difference but the tackles Moaner has been wingeing of lately were not bad. Only Wenger and arsenal fans think the Shawcross one was bad and to then try and cover his teams poor perfomance by pass ing the blame on Shawcross is just as bad as any tackle.

Its all about Wenger trying to get referees to side up his players and basically its cheating

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Hallelujah.....sense prevails.

He might like a moan.....who doesn't....but his ability to get his sides playing beautiful football is unquestionable.

What like Tony Mobray?

Its easy to play beautiful football if you can get the ref to stop the other team tackling you but when you get found out by teams that want to beat you its a bit more difficult

 

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

You are wrong.

The Shawcross tackle was bad. It was late, high and too hard. He had no control of his body hence he could not stop when Ramsey got there first. Hence the horrendous injury.

If protecting his players is cheating then there isn't a manager in the world who doesn't cheat at some point. That really is a ridiculous thing to say.

As a football fan would you rather watch a team of 11 Ramsey's or 11 Shawcross'? It's no contest. We have to allow skill to develop in the English game.

 

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

What like Tony Mobray?

Its easy to play beautiful football if you can get the ref to stop the other team tackling you but when you get found out by teams that want to beat you its a bit more difficult

I've already said I don't dislike tackling. As someone who played as a defender for 25 years I got as much of a rush from a well timed hard tackle as I did form scoring a goal.

It's about how a team chooses to beat you. If you are outplayed technically and your opponent was a better fottball team then fair enough, you have to hold your hands up. And Wenger would do that. If a team reaslises the only way they can compete is to push and often step across the boundaries of the game then the game and players suffer as a result.


Maybe we should form 2 different leagues. It would be easy to assess a players technical ability based on their performance stats. Then people who want to watch games where players kick lumps out of each other can watch the league with the style of football they like and people that enjoy proper football can be left to enjoy the good stuff. (before you rip the piss that is obviously a joke)

 

[Chicken Runner61]

You are wrong.

The Shawcross tackle was bad. It was late, high and too hard. He had no control of his body hence he could not stop when Ramsey got there first. Hence the horrendous injury.

If protecting his players is cheating then there isn't a manager in the world who doesn't cheat at some point. That really is a ridiculous thing to say.

As a football fan would you rather watch a team of 11 Ramsey's or 11 Shawcross'? It's no contest. We have to allow skill to develop in the English game.

Check the footage and look with real eyes


Shawcross would have got there first had Bendtner not pulled him back. Ramsey's feet were both off the ground before they went for the ball, they were both commited to get the ball. It was just an unfortunate clash.

I don't want to see a team of solely Ramseys or Shawcrosses I want to see a mixture of fine players that don't cheat and compete to win.

We had skill a long time before Wenger came a long with Hurst, Best, Hudson, Moore, Brooking, Gasgoine and Wardy.

I'm not Manure fan but the best player in England is rooney and he plays with flair, skill and power. I'd rather have him than Ramsy or Plasticgas.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

I've already said I don't dislike tackling. As someone who played as a defender for 25 years I got as much of a rush from a well timed hard tackle as I did form scoring a goal.

It's about how a team chooses to beat you. If you are outplayed technically and your opponent was a better fottball team then fair enough, you have to hold your hands up. And Wenger would do that. If a team reaslises the only way they can compete is to push and often step across the boundaries of the game then the game and players suffer as a result.


Maybe we should form 2 different leagues. It would be easy to assess a players technical ability based on their performance stats. Then people who want to watch games where players kick lumps out of each other can watch the league with the style of football they like and people that enjoy proper football can be left to enjoy the good stuff. (before you rip the piss that is obviously a joke)

The point thats wrong in that is that Wenger would NEVER do that. I can't EVER recall Wenger saying he was beaten by the better team.

Wenger has lost it big time and is desperate to win something or he will crack.

He banked on his kids being able to perform in the Prem and it failed. On his advice they ploughed the money for players in the Highbury housing development and the credit crunch has stuffed them up. They can't buy anyone as they owe to much and if things don't change and they win something next season he will have failed.

Thats why he is always trying to protect the squad hes got

 

[seagulls4ever]

You are wrong.

The Shawcross tackle was bad. It was late, high and too hard. He had no control of his body hence he could not stop when Ramsey got there first. Hence the horrendous injury.

If protecting his players is cheating then there isn't a manager in the world who doesn't cheat at some point. That really is a ridiculous thing to say.

As a football fan would you rather watch a team of 11 Ramsey's or 11 Shawcross'? It's no contest. We have to allow skill to develop in the English game.

Bollocks. We see Shawcross-like tackles in every game. It was a freak accident. It was no one’s fault. The way Wenger tried to blame Shawcross, claiming it was a horror tackle was a disgrace. The only reason Ramsey got injured is because he pulled out of the tackle.

Wenger is a hypocritical prick. His response if one of his players injured someone? “I didn’t see it” most likely. Fair enough he's got Arsenal playing some decent stuff but they never win anything anyway. The physical part of the game is an important part of winning. Remember football is a contact sport. He's just a bad loser basically, can never accept the blame ... always has to pass it to someone else.

What he's done for the English game in terms of forming teams around foreign players, now that's a disgrace.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

More tantrums from Wenger, in response to a journalist asking what he was implying in one of his comments about a tackle on Fabregas.

"Come on, leave me alone with that for f***'s sake. You do not need me to see what happens on the football pitch. You create always these controversies. Your question is just to create one more. I'm sorry, I do not want to respond".

 

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Oh my god....reading some of the rubbish on here is just like listening to Talksport or reading The Sun.....it's almost like Collymore himself is posting.

I give up.

Laters.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Oh my god....reading some of the rubbish on here is just like listening to Talksport or reading The Sun.....it's almost like Collymore himself is posting.

I give up.

Laters.

Bring us back some cheese!

 

[Gritt23]

Obviously Wenger has a moral high ground on tackling, and doesn't believe there is a place for it in todays game. Well, there was that nasty one from Gallas against Bolton a couple of months ago.

Well surely he was horrified by that as well, and castigated his player for that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5mpzn75kmE

Nope, just carried on the whinging about tackles on his players.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Did anyone see in the Stoke game Fabregas's "tackle" on Danny Pugh?

When Pullis had a go at him he pointed to his leg as if to indicate you broke one of our players legs its ok for us to to it to yours.

 

[BensGrandad]

Without going over old ground but Ramsay fell foul of the first thing you are taught about tackling - if you pull out of a tackle you will come off worst. Had he not pulled out he possibly wouldnt have got hurt so badly.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Did anyone see in the Stoke game Fabregas's "tackle" on Danny Pugh?

When Pullis had a go at him he pointed to his leg as if to indicate you broke one of our players legs its ok for us to to it to yours.

Fabregas should not complain about anyones tackles, just do a search and see how high his foot is when he goes for the ball

Yes very true, also he was jumping in with both feet and then backed off and also Bendtner had a hand in it, if you see the footage and his response after it looks like he knew exactly what happened and went straight to help Ramsey like Whelan did. All the other arsenal players were asking for a foul / red before they realised that Ramsey was hurt - like they normally do!

 

[sir albion]

I can see why wenger moans as it seems many players do tend to go in rather heavy on arsenal players.On another note wenger has given many neutrals some amazing football to watch.

Ferguson is the biggest whinger end of

 

[Dandyman]

Check the footage and look with real eyes


Shawcross would have got there first had Bendtner not pulled him back. Ramsey's feet were both off the ground before they went for the ball, they were both commited to get the ball. It was just an unfortunate clash.

I don't want to see a team of solely Ramseys or Shawcrosses I want to see a mixture of fine players that don't cheat and compete to win.

We had skill a long time before Wenger came a long with Hurst, Best, Hudson, Moore, Brooking, Gasgoine and Wardy.

I'm not Manure fan but the best player in England is rooney and he plays with flair, skill and power. I'd rather have him than Ramsy or Plasticgas.

Top post. It's not that Wenger is not a talented manager it's that if he is to be believed the Arse have never been out played and anyone who tackles one of his little loves is a big nasty bully rather than a player doing what he is paid to do.

 

[Trigger]

Wenger likes to swear!

 

[Billy the Fish]

You are wrong.

The Shawcross tackle was bad. It was late, high and too hard. He had no control of his body hence he could not stop when Ramsey got there first. Hence the horrendous injury..

You're entitled to your opinion, but you're in a minority. Most people think it was a fair challenge from shawcross and a freak accident that Ramsay's leg got broken.

 

[Finch]

Its quite amusing seeing English people round on Wenger. From the outside looking in he moans no more or less than all other 19 managers in the premiership, there just seems to be this blind hatred of him no matter what.

We have a story from the same set of comments, and we have some people in complaining that he moans about tackles, and when someone posts the quote of him actually saying he doesn't want to discuss the tackles as it creates controvery, he is derided for that as well.

I used to be puzzled by the blind hatred, but now I find humour in it.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Its quite amusing seeing English people round on Wenger. From the outside looking in he moans no more or less than all other 19 managers in the premiership, there just seems to be this blind hatred of him no matter what.

We have a story from the same set of comments, and we have some people in complaining that he moans about tackles, and when someone posts the quote of him actually saying he doesn't want to discuss the tackles as it creates controvery, he is derided for that as well.

I used to be puzzled by the blind hatred, but now I find humour in it.

Nothing about being english - I hate Fergie when he plays his time keeping games with the ref.

Wenger used to be alright but he really is losing the plot. He has even taken to doing that Basil Fawlty thing crouched down.

He knew exactly what he was saying but closed the questioning down because he knows its bluff and he can't justify his claims.

I do hope that he is not left with any sharp knives or guns