I think it's difficult to pass judgement on what Israel should have done. We don't know what it's like to be surrounded by countries that would like to wipe us of the face of the planet. A day in their shoes. Had Israel have done everything they were supposed to do, I doubt they'd still be there.
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OK so robbing the land, murdering indiscriminately and alienating an entire people (and region)) has achieved what for Israels security? A slightly different view is that Israel doesn't want 'peace' and is prepared to continue stealing Arab land as part of its long term expansionist policies!
In a wider context the 'wests' actions over the last 150 years in the Middle East along with it's hypocrisy over the treatment of Israel compared to it's neighbours has led, in part, to the rise of the Islam-fascism that now tries to threaten the survival of western democracy!!
Eem, so in a nutshell, The UN in 1947 after consultations and a vote gave a mandate for two countries. Palestine and Israel.
The Jewish people accepted the UN decision, the Palestinians did not.
A few months after Israel was up and running as a sovereign country, the Palestinians along with help from their neighbours Syria, Egypt and Jordan attacked the newly created state of Israel and attempted to totally overrun it and destroy it. The Israelis won the war and as a result of such hostility towards its very survival, took the decision to keep some of the land on its borders, i.e. Gaza and west bank previously owned by Syria and Jordan as a security measure.
So if you engage in a violent act to try to destroy a country and you lose and you end up losing some of your own land as a result, why would you expect sympathy.
Spot on. I am currently in Haifa Israel. Jews, Christians, Arabs, Bahai people all out in the spring sunshine enjoying life. If only the nutters in Gaza could enjoy life, without reverting to terror & destruction, then Egypt, the western world & Israel would reopen the borders. In the meantime you have to protect your own security.
They didn't, Palestine wasn't a country.Palestine
Yeah looks at these nutters. Why aren't they having more fun?
Yeah looks at these nutters. Why aren't they having more fun?
Eem, so in a nutshell, The UN in 1947 after consultations and a vote gave a mandate for two countries. Palestine and Israel.
The Jewish people accepted the UN decision, the Palestinians did not.
A few months after Israel was up and running as a sovereign country, the Palestinians along with help from their neighbours Syria, Egypt and Jordan attacked the newly created state of Israel and attempted to totally overrun it and destroy it. The Israelis won the war and as a result of such hostility towards its very survival, took the decision to keep some of the land on its borders, i.e. Gaza and west bank previously owned by Syria and Jordan as a security measure.
So if you engage in a violent act to try to destroy a country and you lose and you end up losing some of your own land as a result, why would you expect sympathy.
They didn't, Palestine wasn't a country.
I wasn't making a pedantic point, I was being quite sincere. It's important to realise it was not a country that people suddenly tried to take away. As you say, the inhabitants were a mix of religions, they were not just Muslims. And it wasn't a British colonial cock-up that had put palestine in the situation it was in pre-war, it had been ruled by the Ottoman Empire and had Jews immigrating long before Britain got drawn in because of the first world war. If the Jews and Muslims had been happy to live in Palestine together, then international involvement wouldn't have been necessary.I understand the strictly accurate and somewhat pedantic point you're making nevertheless it misses my point.
Yes and I have sympathy for those that were displaced, and for the Jews who had been orphaned and kicked out of their homes in Europe. There couldn't have been a solution that pleased everyone. Perhaps you think the best solution was just to leave Palestine to find it's own way, so the Jews would have eventually been killed off and we wouldn't have this problem - if not, what do you think should have been done?People would react to being forcibly displaced whether they live in Sussex in a "proper" country or in Nazareth in Palestine or in the West Bank in "Israel".
Perhaps you think the best solution was just to leave Palestine to find it's own way, so the Jews would have eventually been killed off and we wouldn't have this problem - if not, what do you think should have been done?
I wasn't referring to the Jews that remained in Europe, but those that were in Palestine.Why, if Israel hadn't been created, would have the Jews been killed off ?
It seems that you don't blame Israel or the Jews for that, so what are you suggesting Israel does? Understand the anger of their neighbours and leave, or be passive and allow themselves to get invaded?
They didn't, Palestine wasn't a country.
IF Israel wanted to commit genocide they would simply turn off the water and electricity supplies they do not. If Israel just wanted to make Gaza suffer they wouldn't give food medical supplies and other materials to Gaza.Its also worth noting that if Egypt opened its crossing points then there would be no blockade For all of you saying Israel is anti Palestinian you should see the difference in living standards in Gaza and the West bank. Its anti hamas not anti Palestinian. Another point since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005, terrorists have fired more than 11,000 rockets into Israel. Over 5 million Israelis are currently living under threat of rocket attacks. More than half a million Israelis have less than 60 seconds to find shelter after a rocket is launched from Gaza into Israel. If that was landing in your town what would you do? It says it all when you would sooner rearm re dig your attack tunnels than help your citizens.
IF Israel wanted to commit genocide they would simply turn off the water and electricity supplies they do not. If Israel just wanted to make Gaza suffer they wouldn't give food medical supplies and other materials to Gaza.Its also worth noting that if Egypt opened its crossing points then there would be no blockade For all of you saying Israel is anti Palestinian you should see the difference in living standards in Gaza and the West bank. Its anti hamas not anti Palestinian. Another point since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005, terrorists have fired more than 11,000 rockets into Israel. Over 5 million Israelis are currently living under threat of rocket attacks. More than half a million Israelis have less than 60 seconds to find shelter after a rocket is launched from Gaza into Israel. If that was landing in your town what would you do? It says it all when you would sooner rearm re dig your attack tunnels than help your citizens.
Like Hamas does, and like their neighbours did when they set about invading Israel.Stick to international law and UN resolutions would be a good start.
I assume then you would have objected to the French Resistance ? After all, France could have lived fairly well under the Nazis if they had conceded to their land grab.
Your an idiot. France wasn't the aggressor Palestine is. Funny you should mention Nazis Palestinians fought for the Germans in WWII the grand mufti even being a guest of Hitler on more than one occasion.