Up close and intimate with convertible seating/terracing

[Storer68]

A properly maintained terrace cannot be compared to the terracing at Heysel.

Even then, the Heysel disaster did not happen just BECAUSE there was terracing. It happened because of, among other things, poor policing, poor segregation, riotous assembly and poor structures - a combination of which led to the 56 deaths. An equally poorly maintained seated area would not necessarily have resolved the issues regarding the poor policing, segregation and behaviour.

But if you are a club CEO why spend good money maintaining and controlling terracing when all seater areas are easier to control and cheaper to maintain.

I don;t be;ieve that Heysel just happened because of terracing not, but it was made possibleand "easier" by terracing. It just enables too much uncontrolled movement in a restricetd area to be regarded as safe.

 

[The Large One]

But if you are a club CEO why spend good money maintaining and controlling terracing when all seater areas are easier to control and cheaper to maintain.

I don;t be;ieve that Heysel just happened because of terracing not, but it was made possibleand "easier" by terracing. It just enables too much uncontrolled movement in a restricetd area to be regarded as safe.

I can't believe terraces are more expensive to maintain than seats and seating areas.

A CEO would set the prices accordingly to maintain income for terrace prices, plus because of the potential of more people, there are extra spin-offs for merchandising.

Heysel was a disaster waiting to happen on so many levels, something for which (although of course the fans were the main culprits) the Belgian authorities - including Anderlecht - managed to get away with pretty lightly, and should only ever be held up as an argument for the importance of segregation, proper maintenance and consultation with the authorities, rather than a stick with which to beat the non-terracing argument.

There is no reason why a properly maintained (and I mean the safe and proper quality of the concrete and structure, as well as a properly policed and segregated area) could not work well. Plus, I also believe football clubs are far more health & safety conscious than before.

It is easily workable.

 

[Storer68]

but it won't happen

 

[Kukev31]

Tbh I think a lot more people would start going again if terraces were brought back. I know I would go to more games if I could stand without hassle, I can't be the only one.

As I said in an earlier post, if regulations just allowed for us to stand behind our seats, it would require no money spent by the clubs, and would give us what we want, I can't see any argument against this.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

"Most of them were either a result of too many people in too small a space, or down to poor quality structures."

which is why terracing is inherently unsafe. Heysel being a pertinet case in point.

Poiunt taken about Bradford tho.

Heysel and Hillsborough were mainly down to poor crowd control.
If you had tried to put all those people in a pen full of seats rather than a terraced pen at Hillsborough you still would have got as many deaths.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

But if you are a club CEO why spend good money maintaining and controlling terracing when all seater areas are easier to control and cheaper to maintain.

I don;t be;ieve that Heysel just happened because of terracing not, but it was made possibleand "easier" by terracing. It just enables too much uncontrolled movement in a restricetd area to be regarded as safe.

Can we stop calling it terracing now? All the groups that are now advocating the return of standing at football matches call the areas safe standing areas.
The German model at Hamburg only lets you stand in a small area, the crushing that happened years ago would not happen in this design. Also the new safe standing areas could have computerised turnstiles so you know exactly how many people are in the area. You could also make it season ticket only, so only a finite number of people will ever get into the area.
All workable and very safe.