UKIP MP number 2 coming up.

[Buzzer]

Incidentally, there are about 1.8 million Brits working or retired in Europe; if we withdraw from the EU, they will lose their right to remain in France/Spain/Italy/Germany, and perhaps be kicked out back to the UK. Be careful what you wish for!

No they won't. That's just reckless scare-mongering. Britain will still be an EFTA member, non-membership of the EU will not affect that one bit and as such UK citizens can live in those countries you mentioned freely as can those countries' citizens in ours. There is no way in the world that the likes of Spain, Italy, France etc are going to kick UK citizens out of their country en masse or demand complicated visa arrangements because there will be a reciprocal headache for them with their own citizens here.

 

[Peteinblack]

No they won't. That's just reckless scare-mongering. Britain will still be an EFTA member, non-membership of the EU will not affect that one bit and as such UK citizens can live in those countries you mentioned freely as can those countries' citizens in ours. There is no way in the world that the likes of Spain, Italy, France etc are going to kick UK citizens out of their country en masse or demand complicated visa arrangements because there will be a reciprocal headache for them with their own citizens here.

Their citizens are here (and UK citizens are living/working/retired there) because the EU enshrines the 'free movement of labour' and the right to residency in other EU member states.

If we withdraw from the EU, as UKIP want, then this 'free movement' and 'right of abode' will come to an end.

Why would UKIP allow these EU nationals to remain, given their whole point is to leave the EU so we can kick out immigrants (who currently have a right to live and work in the UK) so that we can have British jobs and homes for British workers?

 

[Guinness Boy]

You're just typical of the types that just don't get it...Many people who vote ukip want out of the EU and they don't want foreigners in because they're driving down wages for the lower classes and soon it will be the middle classes im sure.You personally are not affected by foreigners flocking in,but millions of people are and enoughs enough.Its not the foreigners that are to blame..Its the snobby current politicians who's wages are never affected and they don't have to live around many towns who have changed in many ways.

The current EU migrants do contribute,but that 30 odd billion is a smoke screen as many will have government top ups and child benefit etc...Maybe this 30 billion should be used towards hospitals,schools,houses etc etc as these public services are bursting and are seriously under funded.That 30 billion is peanuts compared to what's needed infrastructure wise.
It seems another massive issue is the non EU migrants who're costing us billions every year as many of those are getting benefits and rarely work.

This is very confused. What you're saying is all EU migrants are causing wage deflation and all NON EU migrants are lazing about on benefits. I think there are American fund managers and Australian bar men, not to mention French IT contractors (increasingly coming here because the rates are better than Socialist France) and German car executives who might just buck that huge generalization.

That aside how would you propose vetting non EU citizens better? Only, it seems to me you only have to watch one of the reality TV channels for about five minutes before there's a Customs officer sending someone home because all they've got for a six week holiday is thirty quid and a letter from their "Aunt" or other Customs officers raiding take aways full of hard-working chefs without the correct paper work.

 

[Creaky]

UKIP MP number 2 coming up.

A bit like saying you've got a Jag when it's just a dressed up Mondeo!

 

[The Spanish]

Some people are too stupid to see it - typified by the Green vote in Brighton which really screwed up the City.

What city? This baffles me on this site, I know no one who finds referring to Brighton as a city nothing short of hilarious. I really don't get it I have never heard this in real life.

 

[Buzzer]

Their citizens are here (and UK citizens are living/working/retired there) because the EU enshrines the 'free movement of labour' and the right to residency in other EU member states.

If we withdraw from the EU, as UKIP want, then this 'free movement' and 'right of abode' will come to an end.

Why would UKIP allow these EU nationals to remain, given their whole point is to leave the EU so we can kick out immigrants (who currently have a right to live and work in the UK) so that we can have British jobs and homes for British workers?

The whole point is self-determination. And you are fundamentally wrong about the right of abode and freedom of movement. We would be in the same position as Norway, Iceland, Lichtenstein whose citizens are free to move to EU countries as we are to them. UK non-membership of the EU would still allow EU citizens to live in the UK. As I say, it's about self-determination.

 

[Garage_Doors]

But if we are making it party-political, the UKIP 'answer' to the 'lycra-clad fascism' is to convert the Level into a car park.

Is there any factual content in the above statement? going on your past history I guess not but if UKIP is anti cyclist, again guessing this is what you mean by 'lycra-clad fascism' then that is a good enough reason to vote for them alone.

 

[Peteinblack]

Maybe, just maybe much of the public are sick to death of the main parties. Labour completely wrecked the economy, by their own admission cocked up on immigration, and the Tories have had a few shots at it as well. Fed up with parties ignoring the public opinions. ..then as you were for voting.

Ah, this (Tory) old chestnut. All Western economies tanked in 2008, because of the international banking system, with the crash of banks in free market America reverberating through Western Europe. Still, easier to blame Labour and Gordon Brown than acknowledge that the problem is intrinsic to a global free market system run by banks and multinationals (which the Tories - and UKIP - worship) - who themselves are a serious threat to national autonomy and sovereignty!

 

[Garage_Doors]

What city? This baffles me on this site, I know no one who finds referring to Brighton as a city nothing short of hilarious. I really don't get it I have never heard this in real life.

You do know that Brighton & Hove is a city right

 

[pb21]

No, but you appear to know that people with left wing preferences don't know how to run the economy.

Actually, the truth is that most people (quite probably including you, and probably most Tory voters too) don't know how to run the economy either.

Exactly, and precisely why I said they don't know how to run the economy?! I guess my skeptical stance on most matters doesn't come across well on the Internet! You're preaching to the converted!

 

[Buzzer]

Ah, this (Tory) old chestnut!

Given your ignorance of the rules and rights regarding free movement across EFTA nations, I'm not sure you're best placed to use that phrase.

 

[Peteinblack]

The whole point is self-determination. And you are fundamentally wrong about the right of abode and freedom of movement. We would be in the same position as Norway, Iceland, Lichtenstein whose citizens are free to move to EU countries as we are to them. UK non-membership of the EU would still allow EU citizens to live in the UK. As I say, it's about self-determination.

You are still missing the point. UKIP want out of the EU because they do not want 'immigrants' in the UK. So why would they take us out of the EU, but then allow other European citizens to live and work here? What on earth would be the point?

 

[Nibble]

Do you have anything on their one MP?

He claimed record expenses two years running and was involved in the house flipping scandal.

 

[LA1972]

You are still missing the point. UKIP want out of the EU because they do not want 'immigrants' in the UK. So why would they take us out of the EU, but then allow other European citizens to live and work here? What on earth would be the point?

Skilled immigrants would still be welcome if we leave the EU (Sensible Immigration)

 

[Westdene Seagull]

If we withdraw from the EU, as UKIP want, then this 'free movement' and 'right of abode' will come to an end.

Why would UKIP allow these EU nationals to remain, given their whole point is to leave the EU so we can kick out immigrants (who currently have a right to live and work in the UK) so that we can have British jobs and homes for British workers?

Utter rubbish. Show me the published UKIP policy that says a result of leaving the EU would be all immigrants would be kicked out ? You've added 2 and 2 and come up with a banana.

 

[Nibble]

One aspect of running the economy is to stop bleeding money on people coming into the country who do not benefit our economy. Would you agree? Yes or no?

It was proven in the national media about 6 weeks ago that immigrants, taken as a whole, give more back financially to the UK than they take from it.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

It was proven in the national media about 6 weeks ago that immigrants, taken as a whole, give more back financially to the UK than they take from it.

The report concentrated mainly on EU migrants. Have a guess who funded the research ....... you've got it ...... the EU !

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

You are still missing the point. UKIP want out of the EU because they do not want 'immigrants' in the UK. So why would they take us out of the EU, but then allow other European citizens to live and work here? What on earth would be the point?

UKIP do want immigrants in the UK but it would be controlled through a points system (Australia and Canada have these)

 

[Nibble]

The report concentrated mainly on EU migrants. Have a guess who funded the research ....... you've got it ...... the EU !

I actually agree with controlled immigration but I refuse to buy into UKIP and it's supporters brain dead rhetoric. Either way I'm done arguing about UKIP. They are as bad as the rest, if not worse.

 

[pb21]

Ah, this (Tory) old chestnut. All Western economies tanked in 2008, because of the international banking system, with the crash of banks in free market America reverberating through Western Europe. Still, easier to blame Labour and Gordon Brown than acknowledge that the problem is intrinsic to a global free market system run by banks and multinationals (which the Tories - and UKIP - worship) - who themselves are a serious threat to national autonomy and sovereignty!

It really winds me up how people continue to spout guff that labour tanked the economy. They are too stupid to realise that labour are no more to blame than the Tories (most likely less) and just blindly belive anything that the daily mail says!