Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊

UK net migration hits record high



Bold Seagull

strong and stable with me, or...
Mar 18, 2010
30,399
Hove
And it looks like you've lifted your material straight from any Mark Steel sketch. His preferred way of shutting down debate is by arguing from ridiculous and somewhat irrelevant extremities too.

I'm glad someone saw the funny side.
 




D

Deleted member 22389

Guest
Why when some people do not agree with what is happening in their country does it have to be far right

It needs more people like those in Italy to march on the streets. Italians are pissed off and quite rightly so.
 




cunning fergus

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jan 18, 2009
4,871
True, but I don't need to know how to fix my car to know the engine doesn't work. I'd need a lot of information to make a specific and exact statement about how much they should get. But, for now and as a start it should certainly be above the national average.



You may need more information, however the fundamentals are that wages for nurses will only improve if the bottomless well of health workers currently being stripped out of 3rd world countries by the NHS is turned off. For a developed westen country like the UK to undermine health services in the 3rd world is immoral, there is no absolutely defence for such a policy if you are an internationlist.

An endless supply of any resource will only push its worth downwards, in relation to human resources its great for employers and bad for employees.

If you cared about the NHS workers and their interests you would be advocating protectionist policies for them now..................a free labour market would be the first area of attack.

The EU's TTIP would be next..................we know what Jezza thinks:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/555362939675635712

Someone needs to smash the EU capitalist pigs.....................and about time too!
 


Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
62,381
The Fatherland
You may need more information, however the fundamentals are that wages for nurses will only improve if the bottomless well of health workers currently being stripped out of 3rd world countries by the NHS is turned off. For a developed westen country like the UK to undermine health services in the 3rd world is immoral, there is no absolutely defence for such a policy if you are an internationlist.

An endless supply of any resource will only push its worth downwards, in relation to human resources its great for employers and bad for employees.

If you cared about the NHS workers and their interests you would be advocating protectionist policies for them now..................a free labour market would be the first area of attack.

The EU's TTIP would be next..................we know what Jezza thinks:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/555362939675635712

Someone needs to smash the EU capitalist pigs.....................and about time too!

It took until the 4th paragraph. You're slipping.
 




Sweeney Todd

New member
Apr 24, 2008
1,636
Oxford/Lancing
The saddest aspect of the debate on immigration is that few of the advocates of mass immigration, or apologists for it, will be around to see how wrong they were. The “I told you so” moment is some years down the line.
 


pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
You may need more information, however the fundamentals are that wages for nurses will only improve if the bottomless well of health workers currently being stripped out of 3rd world countries by the NHS is turned off. For a developed westen country like the UK to undermine health services in the 3rd world is immoral, there is no absolutely defence for such a policy if you are an internationlist.

An endless supply of any resource will only push its worth downwards, in relation to human resources its great for employers and bad for employees.

If you cared about the NHS workers and their interests you would be advocating protectionist policies for them now..................a free labour market would be the first area of attack.

The EU's TTIP would be next..................we know what Jezza thinks:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/555362939675635712

Someone needs to smash the EU capitalist pigs.....................and about time too!


Corbyn voted No in the 1975 referendum.

It will be interesting to see when he wins the leadership and after the dust settles if he will stick to his socialist principles and again advocate leaving the EU.
 


sydney

tinky ****in winky
Jul 11, 2003
17,965
town full of eejits
Why do you say that? 16k upwards whilst training, with a minimum of 23k once qualified, sounds reasonable on the face of it. If you don't like the prospect of piss, sh1t and blood, don't choose nursing for God's sake.

dementia , parkinsons....paediatric oncology.....no one said it would be easy......it's ****ing brutal , don't even get started on suicidal meth heads...:thumbsup: who would want to be a nurse ffs...??
 




cunning fergus

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jan 18, 2009
4,871
It took until the 4th paragraph. You're slipping.

Yours haven't.......do you agree with Corbyn on TTIP or not?

Remember TTIP is about the privatisation of state assets and operational concerns (like the NHS)...........socialists would be opposed, neo liberals would not.

Further, TTIP is being negotiated by the unelected EU commission not the elected EU parliament.........and the parliament will not be able to throw it out. Democrats would be opposed to it, avowed pro EU supporters would not.

If ever anyone was in doubt about the capitalist and undemocratic intentions of the EU project.......TTIP puts that to bed.
 


pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,659
If you cared about the NHS workers and their interests you would be advocating protectionist policies for them now..................a free labour market would be the first area of attack.

Or increasing the pay so it is a more 'attractive' position so the isn't a nurse shortage. If you pay peanuts you end up in the situation now where we are having to sub-contract staff from the Philippines.
 


symyjym

Banned
Nov 2, 2009
13,138
Brighton / Hove actually
I did. It does appear appear bad,, she mentioned his teeth, but I still doubt he tried to get his entire family to Europe for the simple reason of getting some dentures. Its taking a families lives down to an extremely basic level if anybody believes that. He wanted better life for his family, I dont think his teeth was the main thing on his mind. There will be plenty pulling fast ones, but not as many people who are genuinly fleeing for their lives. Sadly, stories like this get huge coverage, and diminish any concern for the thousands of genuine cases.

I do not doubt that his family wanted a better life but it is clear from the statement from his cousin that his primary objective was his teeth, but then we hear of other allegations.......

"Aylan Kurdi’s family had FREE housing in Turkey.

Abdullah was never on that boat to watch his wife and children drown. That’s why he was the only survivor. The first time he learned of their death was from the hospital after the photos of his young son was circulating in the media.

This was an attempt to send his wife and children into Europe before his own arrival to apply for refugee status as a lone woman with children, while they never even lived in a war zone."

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com...full-of-holes/

Obviously I cannot verify the above but I do not disbelieve it.

I am not undermining the resulted deaths, just questioning the truth to the story he has told, and how we have been sold it. Even the child’s body seems to have been moved to the beach from its original resting place to another, as in the now symbolic photo. His cousin stated, on record, that his wife did not want to risk the crossing and was scared to do it, but he convinced her otherwise.

My heart bleeds for the children being dragged through the long journey to Europe, but at the same time we don’t see the stronger refugees making way for the women, children, elderly and disabled. It seems that it is every man for himself without a care for the weaker people behind them.

Persoanlly I am split on this and it is hard to care about them all equally when it is on this scale. It would be quicker to process the more needy first and the stronger later.
 














TWOCHOICEStom

Well-known member
Sep 22, 2007
10,879
Brighton
This is just a shite situation all round.

The thousands who've drowned trying to get to Europe. They died trying to places we could fly to for £100 on easyjet.
The abuse of the system by some of the refugees; They're just picking whichever country they've got most friends/family or has the best opportunities. I'm sorry, but that's not how asylum works.
The refugees who aren't really refugees who've jumped on the bandwagon. There are many. I have no idea how many. But there are many.
The "Welcome refugees" crap.
The scaremongering *******s who like to tell us how many ISIS soldiers are sneaking in to our lands. Apparently that means we should never let anyone from the middle east into England ever.

There's not one clear, easy solution to this. And it all stems from ISIS. They've given us this problem. It's not our soft approach, it's not European policy, it's not the refugees, it's not even the people who decided to chance it for a better life. We've been handed an impossible task to deal with by ISIS. Simple as that.
 


Wrong-Direction

Well-known member
Mar 10, 2013
13,587
This is just a shite situation all round.

The thousands who've drowned trying to get to Europe. They died trying to places we could fly to for £100 on easyjet.
The abuse of the system by some of the refugees; They're just picking whichever country they've got most friends/family or has the best opportunities. I'm sorry, but that's not how asylum works.
The refugees who aren't really refugees who've jumped on the bandwagon. There are many. I have no idea how many. But there are many.
The "Welcome refugees" crap.
The scaremongering *******s who like to tell us how many ISIS soldiers are sneaking in to our lands. Apparently that means we should never let anyone from the middle east into England ever.

There's not one clear, easy solution to this. And it all stems from ISIS. They've given us this problem. It's not our soft approach, it's not European policy, it's not the refugees, it's not even the people who decided to chance it for a better life. We've been handed an impossible task to deal with by ISIS. Simple as that.
Thread closed.
 








Nibble

New member
Jan 3, 2007
19,238
Well footage from Frankfurt yesterday..........


Are these right wingers......


Distressing scenes. Which will only get worse as the most needy in our world become more desperate.
 


Albion and Premier League latest from Sky Sports


Top
Link Here