UK net migration hits record high

[Buzzer]

Yeah I do think it's the west fault - bush and Blair lied to attack Iraq they got rid of the bloke they originally supported when they were against Iran they left a vacuum that was filled by Al Qaeda and that became Isil and used all the weapons left by them to move into Syria where again we were supporting the rebels against another bloke we originally supported - we did the same in Libya - if you remember two years before the fall Blair was cozying up there too

If that's snide or points scoring sorry it's just my opinion - you are right it's hard to understand because it's a complete mess - the problem the anti refugees have is like Cameron's - it's pretty easy to shut out single black migrants at Calais but it's harder to do when it's kids and women dying on sun kissed beaches in holiday resorts. Even Cameron's wife had a go at him to do a u turn

I'm glad we agree that it isn't so easy to understand. As regards it being the West's fault, I'll freely support you in the Iraq invasion being a sham but that's as far as I'll go. It seems the West is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. Assad and Hussein were using chemical weapons and routinely torturing people as a means of maintaining their respective brutal hold on power.

I honestly don't know what the solution is but it seems to me that there is a huge level of hypocrisy in stating that we should do something now to help all these poor people but the best solution would have been to have left Assad and Hussein in power and free to do unspeakable things to many of the same people. Why are their lives worth more now than when they lived under those dictators? Rhetorical question - it's because Assad and Hussein are the lesser of two evils and any deaths are regrettable but the cost of keeping ISIS at bay.I don't see this solution as any more ethical or morally just than removing Assad and Hussein.

 

[symyjym]

Of course I omitted Libya as intervention took place to prevent the massacre in Benghazi. As by your comments on those who supplied arms, clearly it is not very obvious at all and even more that we don't know. As with all similar situations, the lines are blurred, I still have no recollection of intervention in all the other countries.

We did a lot of 5hit stirring in Syria and gave the uprising blessing, which was an open invite to ISIS. When our governments were debating whether to arm them as well it certainly encourages people who would want to lynch Assad. We should have been promoting democratic reform and helped the country through a transition which is what Assad was happy to do.

 

[Brighton Mod]

We did a lot of 5hit stirring in Syria and gave the uprising blessing, which was an open invite to ISIS. When our governments were debating whether to arm them as well it certainly encourages people who would want to lynch Assad. We should have been promoting democratic reform and helped the country through a transition which is what Assad was happy to do.

Can't disagree with that, we got it wrong and with war fatique following Iraq and Afghanistan there was no will to become involved.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I was speaking with a racist-lite colleague, yesterday.

He was ticking all the boxes - 'them' 'coming over here', 'free money', 'easy life'.

I let it go for a bit then started talking about the previous evening news from the underground shopping centre now refugee camp.
Thousands of people, appalling conditions, 7 toilets, 1 tap, all the children.
He joined in, we spoke about how bad their situations must have been to leave.
Then I steered the conversation to just how lucky we are, and we were in complete agreement.

He finished with:-

'then they will all come over here and you'll not hear anyone speaking English' but couldn't help a

that already happens in London
regards
DR

 

[Chicken Runner61]

I'm glad we agree that it isn't so easy to understand. As regards it being the West's fault, I'll freely support you in the Iraq invasion being a sham but that's as far as I'll go. It seems the West is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. Assad and Hussein were using chemical weapons and routinely torturing people as a means of maintaining their respective brutal hold on power.

I honestly don't know what the solution is but it seems to me that there is a huge level of hypocrisy in stating that we should do something now to help all these poor people but the best solution would have been to have left Assad and Hussein in power and free to do unspeakable things to many of the same people. Why are their lives worth more now than when they lived under those dictators? Rhetorical question - it's because Assad and Hussein are the lesser of two evils and any deaths are regrettable but the cost of keeping ISIS at bay.I don't see this solution as any more ethical or morally just than removing Assad and Hussein.

Don't disagree mate- for me though And I cringe when I say it I sometimes think that you need someone who can unite several tribes and factions - they might be paying bribes to keep order and there may be a whole side to them that is abhorrent but if they got to power themselves rather than as puppets of the west perhaps it's better to leave them in and try and get them to change rather than depose them and place an obvious western decoy that gets brushed aside six months later. Ghaddifi had Libya in some order and was pretty westernised- his mother was Jewish so there was a element of not being so anti Israel and he controlled the tribes there. Even women could go to uni and be educated. Now it's a mess and as I understand it's only the tribes that stop it going Isis at the moment. I don't see many people saying that Iraq is better now and the joke is we even are talking to Iran as they are anti Isil. We "love" Saudi but it's Saudis that are supporting Isil and don't forget it was Saudis that carried out 911. Something's going on in Yemen atm which I haven't quite got my head round now and I'm sure Isil are heading towards Palestine to fight Hamas believe it or not!!!

Things were not as bad as this before 2000 - we seem to have had idiots in the foreign office since about 1990

 

[Chicken Runner61]

that already happens in London
regards
DR

And in North Wales DR they only speak English when they realise you can't understand them

 

[Chicken Runner61]

http://read.bi/1KORlcl Britain is getting very few refugees according to this

 

[pornomagboy]

David Cameron will be spending £900m on bringing refugees and immigrants to England.

Still, that's £20 less than Manchester City paid

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Yeah I do think it's the west fault - bush and Blair lied to attack Iraq they got rid of the bloke they originally supported when they were against Iran they left a vacuum that was filled by Al Qaeda and that became Isil and used all the weapons left by them to move into Syria where again we were supporting the rebels against another bloke we originally supported - we did the same in Libya - if you remember two years before the fall Blair was cozying up there too

If that's snide or points scoring sorry it's just my opinion - you are right it's hard to understand because it's a complete mess - the problem the anti refugees have is like Cameron's - it's pretty easy to shut out single black migrants at Calais but it's harder to do when it's kids and women dying on sun kissed beaches in holiday resorts. Even Cameron's wife had a go at him to do a u turn

i think i'm going to cry, what a sob story, they didn't have to die , they took a risk
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

David Cameron will be spending £900m on bringing refugees and immigrants to England.

Still, that's £20 less than Manchester City paid

£900m WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY
regards
DR

 

[BigGully]

Because from what I've read most of the Muslim refugees have gone to Lebanon Turkey and across borders close to Syria. Whilst there is s massive refugee exodus you might not realise that most refugees stay close to "home" in the hope they can return someday. I understand hundreds of your Muslim Syrians are converting to Christianity when they get to Germany. Why do that? Only a ukip loon can possibly believe that every refugee or migrant want to come to the UK to claim benefits and start terrorist attacks. And whilst we are on it only a UKIP loon can think that Isis wants to attack Britain to take it over for some imaginary asset or resource they they think exists. They might want to destroy our ideals or our way of life which they can do by terrorism but what on earth do you think they want from us or our lands that is not available elsewhere?

Isis might want to recover the regions of the world eg Spain that they think they owned in the Middle Ages but I've not read anything other than wanting to terrorise the west in terms of anything else.

You and I just dont know do we.

It was you that said most were Christians.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

i think i'm going to cry, what a sob story, they didn't have to die , they took a risk
regards
DR

I think that's says a lot more about you than them DR

Well done best bit of posting you have ever done!

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

i think that's says a lot more about you than them dr

well done best bit of posting you have ever done!

thanks, you know it's the truth
regards
DR

 

[Chicken Runner61]

You and I just dont know do we.

It was you that said most were Christians.

Well there's a few in Brighton and the ones I met are Christian deffo

 

[Chicken Runner61]

thanks, you know it's the truth
regards
DR

Yes you are the gift that keeps giving

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

Then youre genuinely stupid, and i didnt think that before, if you cant see the dangers of terrorists disguising themselves as asylum seekers amongst hundreds of thousands of people and using them as cover then youre ridiculously naive or on a wind up.

I wonder how many people will not be radicalised to acts of terror, as these acts of compassion prove that we're not 'the enemy'?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Yes you are the gift that keeps giving

my pleasure.
regards
DR

 

[Hampster Gull]

that already happens in London
regards
DR

One of the many reasons why London is one of the best cities in the world

 

[Hampster Gull]

David Cameron will be spending £900m on bringing refugees and immigrants to England

Nice statement for a particular angle, but completely wrong of course

 

[Hampster Gull]

£900m WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY
regards
DR

With great wealth (4th largest economy in the world) comes great responsibility